> With reference to philb @
thejudge .
Corp .
Sun .
COM mail,
>
> Phil, to answer your question, I can tell you that, Malaysia has not been
> boycott any of Israel's product let it be anything. If anyone boycott a
Palan,
I'm sorry. My memory is apparently longer than yours. In the past, Malaysia
has been an enthusiastic supporter of the Arab League boycott.
> product from other country due to political issues, I think that will be the
> most childish act on the planet!! I personally will support a product which
> can offer good performance, secure, scalable, stable and etc, beleive me...I
> don't give a *damn* to the country's politic, social, financial or whatever
> that the product came from. Phil, I don't intend to bring up political
> discussion here but just a thought or rather assumption from Bill's
> statement.
OK. then why all the nonsense about Mossad or the CIA or whatever, if this
isn't politically motivated. If not, then let's talk about MI-5 or the
Deuxieme Bureau or the NKVD (or KGB). >
> Bill, if you're reading this now, can you please come up to the list and
> make a confession about your comment on "pulling out checkpoint" ? I think
> that will make everyone a little clear about this issue. Everyone here
> having different views, so the only person who can clarify is the one who
> made the comment.....please.
>
> p/s : Btw, I don't work in any way for Checkpoint or thier
> distributors/resellers.
>
>
> Rgds,
> PaLaN
>
>
>
> >Russ, Frank & other,
> >I beleive, Bill made the comment due to the political issues between Israel
>
> >and Palestin. Its not because Checkpoint's product is not secure or
>
> >recommendation from a "security expert". I suppose its a issue of boycott
>
> >the product. Bill, am I rite ??
>
>
> Yes, that is more than a fair assumption. Now let's ask abut Palan's
>
> country's position on this boycott! Those of us who know the history of this
> myopia know that Malasia has been one of the supporters. Done stupid
> things,
>
> like not let the Israel Philharmonic play in Malaysia.
>
>
> C'mon guys.
>
>
> If Checkpoint is suspect, and Mossad won't make a statement, it's because
> they
>
> refuse to answer to questiions like, "Why did you stop beating your wife and
>
> kids?" Huh? Just ask Raptor if it has a backdoor tie to the CIA, or NSA
> ("no
>
> such agency"). Or better yet, just ask the Deuxieme Bureau if it wiretaps
>
> hotel rooms in Paris. ;_) >
>
> >rgds,
>
> >PaLaN
> >
>
> >At 11:26 AM 6/25/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >>>C'mon Russ. In the first place, neither the Mossad, nor Checkpoint
>
> >>will
>
> >>>make a public statement about this - whether it is true or not. (And
>
> >>if
>
> >>
>
> >>[snip]
>
> >>
>
> >>>Just out of curiousity, Russ. Generally, your responses to this
>
> >>>list are fairly mellow & even-handed. However, there was a lot
>
> >>>of vigor in your defense of Checkpoint's firewall. By chance,
>
> >>>do you happen to sell or resell the Checkpoint firewall?
>
> >>
>
> >>Actually, Frank, I think if you really look back at my posting style its
>
> >>more like I come on strongly against vague supposition and innuendo and
>
> >>call for facts, statements, and details. That's certainly how I see
>
> >>myself.
>
> >>
>
> >>I would have made the same argument regardless of the vendor involved
>
> >>since, as you also said, its impossible to answer the question of a
>
> >>connection between a vendor and an agency to any sufficient degree. At
>
> >>what point does a connection become a problem for customers of the
>
> >>vendors product anyway? What's the connection, I mean, what does it
>
> >>entail? So asking the question about any vendor shouldn't be just "is
>
> >>there a connection". Most Firewall vendors have former employees of this
>
> >>or that agency, so why should that alone make them suspect?
>
> >>
>
> >>I don't sell anything other than my own advice and my advice is always
>
> >>based on a complete picture, not partial snap-shots (i.e. I look at both
>
> >>the vendor and customer position and state my beliefs understanding both
>
> >>sides). I receive nothing for my choices, only the viability of the
>
> >>solution I propose (iow, I get no commissions from anyone).
>
> >>
>
> >>I use Check Point products, and recommend them, but I also use and
>
> >>recommend Digital's, Raptor, Global Internet, and others. As I said in
>
> >>my post, the particular requirements of a customers environment dictate
>
> >>the best product for the job.
>
> >>
>
> >>I guess we all need our integrity questioned every once in a while.
>
> >>
>
> >>Cheers,
>
> >>Russ
>
> >>R.C. Consulting, Inc. - NT/Internet Security
>
> >>owner of the NTBugTraq mailing list:
>
> >>http://ntbugtraq.rc.on.ca/index.html
>
> >>
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >Network Sec²rity Engineer
>
> >West Malaysia.
>
> >
>
> >" Hey, here is my key ... lets exchange packets now !! "
>
> >
>
> Network Sec²rity Engineer
> West Malaysia.
>
> " Hey, here is my key ... lets exchange packets now !! "
>
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