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Subject: Re: Web Oriented Mail Clients
From: Alan Goldberg <agoldber @ istar . ca>
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 1997 08:57:27 -0400
To: Jerald Josephs <Jerald . Josephs @ Ebay . Sun . COM>
Cc: firewalls @ GreatCircle . COM
References: <libSDtMail . 9708061511 . 7689 . jerald @ althea>
Reply-to: agoldber @ istar . ca

Jerald Josephs wrote:
> 
> jj>
> jj>Alan wrote:
> jj>>
> jj>> On Sat, 2 Aug 1997 Dick_Wall @
 stratus .
 com wrote:
> jj>>
> jj>> >   The question is ...
> jj>> >
> jj>> >   I'm getting approached by various groups in my company, that want to
> jj>> > use Web oriented email clients, to access our email servers.  That is,
> jj>> > they want to use the clients from the Internet points, to access servers
> jj>> > on the trusted/internal side of our network.  They'd like us therefore,
> jj>> > to allow http access through the firewall.  We don't allow that now, and
> jj>> > I don't plan to allow it in the future.
> jj>> >
> jj>> >   Is there a secure means for providing such email access?
> jj>>
> jj>> Yes.
> jj>>
> jj>> Tell them to spend the $20/month and get an off-site e-mail account at a
> jj>> local ISP.  Then forward their mail to that account.
> jj>>
> jj>> (Sounds like yet another product that management had been told they "gotta
> jj>> have".  Making e-mail web based sounds like a perfect way to make it even
> jj>> less usable and more inflexable.  Sounds like a perfect fit for most of
> jj>> the management I have known...)
> jj>>
> jj>> alan @
 ctrl-alt-del .
 com | Note to AOL users: for a quick shortcut to reply
> jj>> Alan Olsen            | to my mail, just hit the ctrl, alt and del keys.
> jj>
> jj>Are you all telling me that there is no way to simply route
> jj>in and outbound mail to other mail / SMTP servers
> jj>through a firewall without compromising internal mail security?
> jj>
> 
> The main problem regarding allowing SMTP to pass through is that you
> are essentially allowing one to telnet to port 25 on the destination that
> SMTP is allowed to reach.
> 
> Even if you have internal and external SMTP servers, this network connection
> would present a vulnerability should there be hole in the configuration of
> the sendmail daemon listening to port 25.
> 
> Several vendors are addressing this issue by providing an SMTP security server
> that redirects packets address to port 25 on the SMTP server to a spool where
> another process picks it up and forwards it onto the next hop towards its
> destination.
> 
> Because one process is writing and another is reading, the ability to establish
> TCP connection through the firewall to the SMTP server is revoked.
> 
> Checkpoint's FireWall-1 3.0 boasts of this feature, but I have not actually
> tried to implement it yet
> 
> 
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Thanks for the response. Yes, that makes sense. -alan
-- 
Alan M. Goldberg
HJ Heinz Company of Canada Ltd./Intuit Bus Serv & Tech
Bradford, ON CA
http://home.istar.ca/~agoldber - email:agoldber @
 istar .
 ca


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