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Subject: Re: Intrusion Detection - Switched Network
From: "Paul D. Robertson" <proberts @ clark . net>
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 1997 19:35:55 -0500 (EST)
To: Darren Reed <avalon @ coombs . anu . edu . au>
Cc: pva @ bluerose . tju . edu, firewalls @ GreatCircle . COM
In-reply-to: <199712310020 . TAA02736 @ mail . clark . net>

On Wed, 31 Dec 1997, Darren Reed wrote:

> > Most good switches will allow you to set particular ports to get all 
> > traffic as if it were a hub.  This is where you configure the IDS.
> 
> If I compromised the firewall which was directly attached to this hub
> (assuming no action gets taken until well after...) how easy is it likely
> to be for me to reprogram the hub to make my port the promiscuous one ?
> And what then will the IDS system be able to do ?

Depends on the switch and how it is configured.  If remote access is 
configured, and/or SNMP writes are on, then from 'trivial' to 
'difficult'.  If remote access isn't configured, and SNMP is off, 'virtually 
impossible'.  As always, any piece of network equipment placed at a point of 
vulnerability (or if you're as paranoid as I tend to be, remove the 'at a 
point of vulnerability') should be properly configured and that configuration 
and any changes to it strongly and regularly audited.  

If you've got the firewall, then you'll get most, if not all of the traffic 
anyway, especially if the network was engineered correctly, so that only out
and inbound traffic hits that *physical* segment.  If people are skimping on 
physical security by placing VLAN type stuff at critical junctions, then 
well, that's what they get, no?

Yes, some people gripe about not having network access to some equipment, and 
no, it doesn't bother me a bit. 

Half of security is vulnerability assessment and engineering to limit that.

Paul
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