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Subject: Re: socks versus fw-1 stateful inspection vulnerabilities
From: Christopher Zarcone <czarcone @ vf . lmco . com>
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 08:09:24 -0400 (EDT)
To: ryanr @ sybase . com
Cc: firewalls @ greatcircle . com
Reply-to: Christopher Zarcone <czarcone @ vf . lmco . com>

Ryan,

I suppose I should clarify what I said: 

Historically I have come to understand "packet filtering" as screening based on 
IP-level and transport level information. With such limited information, you 
can't determine with certainty the application-level service; you can only make 
a best guess.

Of course, if you have a more advanced packet filter, you could arbitrarily 
examine any or all bits in the entire packet. At that point, though, you're 
basically performing application-level analysis, and incurring the performance 
penalty, so why not use a proxy?

Regards,

Chris

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> >Jon,
> >
> >Stateful inspection engines suffer the same disadvantages as packet
> filters,
> >because THEY ARE packet filters.
> 
> But they are not JUST packet filters.
> 
> >I would say that (my) single biggest problem with packet filtering is
> >application-level security (e.g. how can a packet filter differentiate a
> >sendmail server from a rogue webserver running on port 25? It can't. A
> proxy
> >can.)
> 
> They can, in the same manner that a proxy can.
> 



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