From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Apr 2 11:41:33 2003 Received: from grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net (grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.46]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D5E21959D7 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 11:41:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from h-66-167-132-15.phndaz91.covad.net ([66.167.132.15] helo=Vaio.earthlink.net) by grebe.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 190o71-0005YJ-00 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Wed, 02 Apr 2003 11:41:31 -0800 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20030402123811.00b2edf8@pop.earthlink.net> X-Sender: bobbish@pop.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 12:41:30 -0700 To: list-managers@greatcircle.com From: Bob Bish Subject: List produces romance Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Archive-Number: 200304/1 X-Sequence-Number: 1424 Here's something I just have to share with fellow list managers. One list I run is for fans of a music group, The Gipsy Kings. Two list members met at a concert a couple of years ago. One thing led to another. They fell in love and got married. They are currently living happily ever after. They definitely credit the list, without which they certainly would never have met, with bringing them together. ...Bob From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Apr 2 20:29:01 2003 Received: from persephone.cfrq.net (persephone.cfrq.net [207.245.2.4]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB77D195F39 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 20:29:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by persephone.cfrq.net (Postfix, from userid 103) id 1119D3E8C3; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 23:28:54 -0500 (EST) To: Bob Bish Cc: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: List produces romance From: Harald Koch Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 23:28:33 -0500 Message-ID: <32239.1049344113@persephone.cfrq.net> X-Archive-Number: 200304/2 X-Sequence-Number: 1425 > They definitely credit the list, without which they certainly would > never have met, with bringing them together. Congratulations to them :-) My friends Paul and Anita met and fell in love on ql-silly over a decade ago, and have been married for almost 7 years. It apparently happens regularly. Always good news, though! -- Harald Koch "It takes a child to raze a village." -Michael T. Fry From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Apr 2 21:31:00 2003 Received: from plaidworks.com (www.plaidworks.com [64.81.78.180]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279AD195ADA for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:30:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from plaidworks.com (dsl081-078-186.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.78.186]) by plaidworks.com (8.12.8/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h335UtZQ027951; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:30:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:30:56 -0800 Subject: Re: List produces romance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Cc: Bob Bish , list-managers@greatcircle.com To: Harald Koch From: Chuq Von Rospach In-Reply-To: <32239.1049344113@persephone.cfrq.net> Message-Id: <720D41EB-6595-11D7-AF23-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) X-Archive-Number: 200304/3 X-Sequence-Number: 1426 On Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at 08:28 PM, Harald Koch wrote: > It apparently happens regularly. Always good news, though! > Yup. Laurie and I met on rec.arts.comics, actually. Almost 20 years ago now. From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Apr 3 05:03:02 2003 Received: from server1.rogersmithsoftware.com (server1.rogersmithsoftware.com [216.40.227.201]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23644195FE9 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 05:03:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from HOBBES (235.30.35.65.cfl.rr.com [65.35.30.235]) (authenticated (0 bits)) by server1.rogersmithsoftware.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h33D31O11848 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:03:01 -0500 Message-ID: <004f01c2f9e1$5b3fc960$8700a8c0@HOBBES> From: "Roger Smith" To: References: <32239.1049344113@persephone.cfrq.net> Subject: Re: List produces romance Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 08:02:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Archive-Number: 200304/4 X-Sequence-Number: 1427 We've had two couples meet and get married through the Harry Nilsson mailing list. The list is fairly small (200 subscribers at its peak), but has been around for about six or seven years. Take that Clifford Stoll .... :-) -- Roger From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Apr 3 05:20:36 2003 Received: from houston.wolf.com (houston.wolf.com [216.40.226.30]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7085196302 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 05:20:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16530 invoked by uid 511); 3 Apr 2003 13:20:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20030403132034.16529.qmail@houston.wolf.com> References: <720D41EB-6595-11D7-AF23-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> In-Reply-To: <720D41EB-6595-11D7-AF23-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> From: "Angel Rivera" To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: List produces romance Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 13:20:34 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200304/5 X-Sequence-Number: 1428 Chuq Von Rospach writes: > > On Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at 08:28 PM, Harald Koch wrote: > >> It apparently happens regularly. Always good news, though! >> > > Yup. Laurie and I met on rec.arts.comics, actually. Almost 20 years ago > now. Patty and I met on soc.penpals 10 years ago. 20 years ago she would have been very illegal. ;-) From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Apr 3 06:02:50 2003 Received: from mercury.ccmr.cornell.edu (mercury.ccmr.cornell.edu [128.84.231.97]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BCFD195F63 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 06:02:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from saruman.ccmr.cornell.edu (saruman.ccmr.cornell.edu [128.84.249.196]) by mercury.ccmr.cornell.edu (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h33E2mZU020520 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 09:02:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by saruman.ccmr.cornell.edu (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h33E2mlj006927 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 09:02:48 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: saruman.ccmr.cornell.edu: mitch owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 09:02:48 -0500 (EST) From: Mitch Collinsworth To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: List produces romance In-Reply-To: <20030403132034.16529.qmail@houston.wolf.com> Message-ID: References: <720D41EB-6595-11D7-AF23-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> <20030403132034.16529.qmail@houston.wolf.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200304/6 X-Sequence-Number: 1429 Chuq Von Rospach writes: > Yup. Laurie and I met on rec.arts.comics, actually. Almost 20 years ago > now. Wouldn't 20 years ago put it prior to the great renaming? My memory is saying that was in 86. -Mitch From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Apr 3 07:08:42 2003 Received: from plaidworks.com (www.plaidworks.com [64.81.78.180]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FFE81959E3 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 07:08:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from plaidworks.com (dsl081-078-186.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net [64.81.78.186]) by plaidworks.com (8.12.8/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h33F8WZQ004982; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 07:08:32 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 07:08:31 -0800 Subject: Re: List produces romance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Cc: list-managers@greatcircle.com To: Mitch Collinsworth From: Chuq Von Rospach In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <21D727A2-65E6-11D7-AF23-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) X-Archive-Number: 200304/7 X-Sequence-Number: 1430 >> Yup. Laurie and I met on rec.arts.comics, actually. Almost 20 years >> ago >> now. > > Wouldn't 20 years ago put it prior to the great renaming? My memory > is saying that was in 86. > yes, technically it was net.comics, but today, if I were to say that, the Usenet II folks would wake up from their nap to tell us they're the real fix for Usenet's problems... From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Apr 3 11:37:57 2003 Received: from windlord.stanford.edu (windlord.Stanford.EDU [171.64.13.23]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CC5441959E3 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:37:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18592 invoked by uid 50); 3 Apr 2003 19:37:55 -0000 To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: List produces romance References: <21D727A2-65E6-11D7-AF23-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> In-Reply-To: <21D727A2-65E6-11D7-AF23-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> (Chuq Von Rospach's message of "Thu, 3 Apr 2003 07:08:31 -0800") From: Russ Allbery Organization: The Eyrie Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 11:37:55 -0800 Message-ID: Lines: 13 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) XEmacs/21.4 (Portable Code, sparc-sun-solaris2.6) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Archive-Number: 200304/8 X-Sequence-Number: 1431 Chuq Von Rospach writes: > yes, technically it was net.comics, but today, if I were to say that, > the Usenet II folks would wake up from their nap to tell us they're the > real fix for Usenet's problems... No, we wouldn't. All of the Usenet II people know something about Usenet history and would know what you're talking about, for one. Some of us have even spent large amounts of time in the rec.arts.comics.* hierarchy and still moderate groups there. :) -- Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu) From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Apr 3 11:54:04 2003 Received: from mail-out2.apple.com (mail-out2.apple.com [17.254.0.51]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F213A1965F5 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:54:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgate2.apple.com (A17-129-100-225.apple.com [17.129.100.225]) by mail-out2.apple.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h33Js3Qd007035 for ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:54:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from scv3.apple.com (scv3.apple.com) by mailgate2.apple.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.1) with ESMTP id ; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:53:59 -0800 Received: from plaidworks.com (vg0602e-dhcp175.apple.com [17.216.21.175]) by scv3.apple.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h33Jrw0j013645; Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:53:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 11:53:57 -0800 Subject: Re: List produces romance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v551) Cc: list-managers@greatcircle.com To: Russ Allbery From: Chuq Von Rospach In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <01ACF637-660E-11D7-B3C7-0003934516A8@plaidworks.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.551) X-Archive-Number: 200304/9 X-Sequence-Number: 1432 >> yes, technically it was net.comics, but today, if I were to say that, >> the Usenet II folks would wake up from their nap to tell us they're >> the >> real fix for Usenet's problems... > > No, we wouldn't. All of the Usenet II people know something about > Usenet > history and would know what you're talking about, for one. (sorry, Russ!) so much for a quick, funny quip.... (grin) No sense digging this hole any deeper, I have lots of new holes to dig before I die... From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Apr 7 12:56:09 2003 Received: from jerusalem.christianitytoday.com (jerusalem.christianitytoday.com [12.158.13.148]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A93491964AE for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 12:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from IO06 ([12.24.216.130]) by christianitytoday.com ([12.158.13.148]) with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v6.0.7.R) for ; Mon, 07 Apr 2003 14:53:43 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Tatum, Richard" To: Subject: Re: Research on HTML mail and question about hotmail Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:55:26 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.6604 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 In-Reply-To: X-MDRemoteIP: 12.24.216.130 X-Return-Path: rich@ChristianityToday.com X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: list-managers@greatcircle.com X-Archive-Number: 200304/10 X-Sequence-Number: 1433 Here's a followup to my previous post: Case Study Surprising Results from HTML Newsletter Tests: Now it's Safe to Use Cascading Style Sheets http://marketingsherpa.com/sample.cfm?contentID=2310 Images http://marketingsherpa.com/cht/ad.html Rich. -- Richard Tatum Website manager for Christianity Today International email: rich@christianitytoday.com web: christianitytoday.com aol im: richtatum -Stephen L. Talbott From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Apr 7 13:25:36 2003 Received: from mail.rev.net (server02.rev.net [206.67.68.98]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0686F1959EA for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 13:25:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FANTASY-BERNIE (cosell.gva.net [65.164.103.253]) by mail.rev.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h37KPWpw021783 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 16:25:33 -0400 Message-Id: <200304072025.h37KPWpw021783@mail.rev.net> From: "Bernie Cosell" Organization: Fantasy Farm Fibers To: Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 16:25:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Research on HTML mail and question about hotmail In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v4.02a) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.3.1(snapshot 20020108) (server02.rev.net) X-Archived: msg.1049747132.AIiSCl@server02.rev.net X-Archive-Number: 200304/11 X-Sequence-Number: 1434 On 7 Apr 2003 at 14:55, Tatum, Richard wrote: > Here's a followup to my previous post: > > Case Study > Surprising Results from HTML Newsletter Tests: Now it's > Safe to Use Cascading Style Sheets > http://marketingsherpa.com/sample.cfm?contentID=2310 Are CSS-emails self-contained, or do they presume that you *HAVE* to be online to view them? [and also have to use a mail client that'll do active-downloads while reading email]? [if yes, does that mean that the 'sending site' needs to keep a web server running and keep the style sheets available essentially all the time and forever?] /Bernie\ -- Bernie Cosell Fantasy Farm Fibers mailto:bernie@fantasyfarm.com Pearisburg, VA --> Too many people, too few sheep <-- From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Apr 7 18:04:09 2003 Received: from yancy.pkiclue.com (yancy.pkiclue.com [209.172.115.117]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A46C1196663 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 18:02:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vo.cnchost.com (IDENT:root@LOCALHOST [127.0.0.1]) by yancy.pkiclue.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA10022 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 18:09:19 -0700 Message-ID: <3E922139.3030001@vo.cnchost.com> Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 18:09:13 -0700 From: JC Dill User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.3a) Gecko/20021212 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Research on HTML mail and question about hotmail References: <200304072025.h37KPWpw021783@mail.rev.net> In-Reply-To: <200304072025.h37KPWpw021783@mail.rev.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200304/12 X-Sequence-Number: 1435 Bernie Cosell wrote: > On 7 Apr 2003 at 14:55, Tatum, Richard wrote: > > >>Here's a followup to my previous post: >> >> Case Study >> Surprising Results from HTML Newsletter Tests: Now it's >> Safe to Use Cascading Style Sheets >> http://marketingsherpa.com/sample.cfm?contentID=2310 > > > Are CSS-emails self-contained, or do they presume that you *HAVE* to be > online to view them? [and also have to use a mail client that'll do > active-downloads while reading email]? [if yes, does that mean that the > 'sending site' needs to keep a web server running and keep the style > sheets available essentially all the time and forever?] You *can* do CCS self-contained, and in this context (html enabled email, especially bulk html enabled email)it would be foolish to do otherwise. IMHO, the only time it makes sense to utilize CCS via reference to a separate file is when you know the requesting file and the requested file will both be equally available, as when a visitor hits a webpage which uses a CCS file located on the same server, AND when you expect the visitor to load many pages from this same server, so that there is a significant bandwidth savings by having them load the page once then utilize the page's contents from many other pages from the same server. jc (sorry about the run-on sentance above!) From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Apr 7 21:39:33 2003 Received: from foobar.noderunner.net (foobar.noderunner.net [66.92.167.43]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11E18195A3D for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by foobar.noderunner.net (Postfix, from userid 3002) id A7B2F2A835C; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 00:42:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by foobar.noderunner.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F6A21C7601 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:42:49 -0800 (PDT) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 21:42:49 -0800 (PDT) From: "Michael S. Johnson" X-Sender: michj@foobar.noderunner.net To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Research on HTML mail and question about hotmail In-Reply-To: <200304072025.h37KPWpw021783@mail.rev.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Archive-Number: 200304/13 X-Sequence-Number: 1436 On Mon, 7 Apr 2003, Bernie Cosell wrote: > Are CSS-emails self-contained, They can be, if prepared correctly. I have written scripts using the Microsoft CDONTS ActiveX object that embeded a style sheet in HTML e-mail messages that were readable offline using Microsoft Outlook. -- Michael