From List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Tue Jan 4 15:10:40 1994 Return-Path: Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA18227; Tue, 4 Jan 94 15:10:40 GMT Received: from pobox.ucs.umass.edu by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA18220; Tue, 4 Jan 94 07:10:31 PST Received: from titan.ucs.umass.edu by pobox.ucs.umass.edu (PMDF V4.2-14 #2573) id <01H7A4MZFYQO006LGL@pobox.ucs.umass.edu>; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 10:11:52 -0500 Received: from localhost (cons052@localhost) by titan.ucs.umass.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id KAA11851 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Tue, 4 Jan 1994 10:11:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 04 Jan 1994 10:11:50 -0500 (EST) From: Pres Smith Subject: Commercials To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Message-Id: <199401041511.KAA11851@titan.ucs.umass.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1077 Sender: List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk The number people "subscribing" to my list primarily for the purpose of appealing to the "market" of its subscribers has accelerated in recent months. Some of these are "non-profits" in the sense that they are private schools. Others are publishers. Some just have something to offer at or below cost. Some are of legitimate interest to the list, but this is easily abused and could turn the list from one of educational discussion to an announcement list. Often these are not in the form of ads or press releases, but masked as discussion with "plugs" included. I'm trying to develop guidelines that will be enforcible, if necessary. The AUP's are far too vague and, depending on interpre- tation, would permit just about anything. Does anyone have any suggestions or pointers to other lists who have successfully dealt with the problem? What is the preferred recourse? Suspension of the subscriber? Flaming? Shunning? Shaming? A kill/ignore file? What are the legalities? Pres Smith pgsmith@educ.umass.edu From List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Wed Jan 5 07:06:01 1994 Return-Path: Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA22382; Wed, 5 Jan 94 07:06:01 GMT Received: from spiff.ccs.carleton.ca by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA18287; Tue, 4 Jan 94 07:38:07 PST Received: by spiff.ccs.carleton.ca (4.1/SMI-4.0-mcr) id AA25189; Tue, 4 Jan 94 10:39:30 EST Date: Tue, 4 Jan 94 10:39:30 EST From: mcr@ccs.carleton.ca (Michael Richardson) Message-Id: <9401041539.AA25189@spiff.ccs.carleton.ca> To: cons052@titan.ucs.umass.edu Cc: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: Pres Smith's message of Tue, 04 Jan 1994 10:11:50 -0500 (EST) <199401041511.KAA11851@titan.ucs.umass.edu> Subject: Commercials Sender: List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk You don't say what your list is about. If it becomes a problem, you might try something like this: - put the "problem" people on a sub-list, and subscribe that list to the group - make your list postable only to people that are subscribed (the problem people don't appear on the list, so they don't show up) - make sure that postings from non-subscribed people are sent to you for approval. If you can't do all of this with your list software, then make the list completely moderated, or kick them off the list. As for legalities... it is your list. Just inform people that they can be censored. -- :!mcr!: HOME: mcr@sandelman.ocunix.on.ca +1 613 788 2600 3853 Michael Richardson WORK: mcr@ccs.carleton.ca (Conservation Ecology) Here is an HTML reference to my bio. foreach $X ("E-Journal","NetBSD","Perl","Physics") { print "MCR hacks $X\n"; }; From List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Wed Jan 5 11:38:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA25375; Wed, 5 Jan 94 19:27:36 GMT Received: from walt.disney.com by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA25366; Wed, 5 Jan 94 11:27:21 PST Received: from dalsdb by walt.disney.com with SMTP id AA11031 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.3 for List-Managers@greatcircle.com); Wed, 5 Jan 1994 11:28:41 -0800 Received: from gaston.wdp_animation by dalsdb with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #53) id m0pHds5-000FaKC; Wed, 5 Jan 94 11:26 PST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 5 Jan 94 11:26 PST To: List-Managers@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Commercials From: sullivan@fa.disney.com Sender: List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > I'm trying to develop guidelines that will be enforcible, if > necessary. The AUP's are far too vague and, depending on interpre- > tation, would permit just about anything. Does anyone have any > suggestions or pointers to other lists who have successfully dealt > with the problem? First, what is your list about and second, is it moderated? My list only goes out digested so it's easy for me to control what goes out (though I rarely have to). When people subscribe they get an FAQ copy and there it states that the posting of "for sale" ads is limited to personal items related to the list--no commercial ads will be accepted. Nobody has complained and it has worked so far. Michael Sullivan sullivan@fa.disney.com Walt Disney Feature Animation +1 818 544 2683 (voice) Glendale, CA +1 818 544 4579 (fax) From List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Thu Jan 6 15:25:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA00194; Thu, 6 Jan 94 15:25:21 GMT Received: from yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA00187; Thu, 6 Jan 94 07:25:15 PST Received: from vangogh.VIS.ColoState.EDU by yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA11160; Thu, 6 Jan 1994 08:26:43 -0700 Received: by vangogh.VIS.ColoState.EDU (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03700; Thu, 6 Jan 94 08:26:42 MST From: nate@VIS.ColoState.EDU (CVL staff member Nate Sammons) Message-Id: <9401061526.AA03700@vangogh.VIS.ColoState.EDU> Subject: digest form? To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Date: Thu, 6 Jan 1994 08:26:41 -0700 (MST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 565 Sender: List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I looked all throought the docs, and cannot find anything about it. Is there a digest form for lists that a manager can set up? several of my subscribers have asked for it. -nate sammons -- +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Nate Sammons | | Colorado State University Computer Visualization Laboratory | | Data Visualization/Interrogation, Modeling, Animation, Rendering | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Wed Jan 12 03:37:30 1994 Return-Path: Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA27007; Wed, 12 Jan 94 11:28:56 GMT Received: from jess.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA27000; Wed, 12 Jan 94 03:28:42 PST Received: from unicorn.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk by jess.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <21450-0@jess.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk>; Wed, 12 Jan 1994 11:29:21 +0000 Received: from localhost by unicorn.nott.ac.uk (4.1/930628) id AA09481; Wed, 12 Jan 94 11:29:03 GMT Message-Id: <9401121129.AA09481@unicorn.nott.ac.uk> To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Cc: cczmjj@unicorn.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk Subject: Null characters ruining my digest Date: Wed, 12 Jan 94 11:29:02 +0000 From: cczmjj@unicorn.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk Sender: List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Dearest MH'ers, I do my best to run a digest for my mailing list from our ICL Unicorn Unix box using MH's rather brilliant "forw -digest" command. BUT I do have a rather annoying problem which is slowly driving me nuts. Occasionally, either through poor editing of mail messages or through other mail systems OR maybe even because of our ageing version of MH (version: 6.7.1) I am getting null characters within mail messages which either causes MH's 'forw' to dump its core with a segmentation fault or causes mail messages to truncate. The net result of this is incomplete messages within the digest or sometimes truncated digests. The only way around this problem is for me to read each and every message and edit out the null characters using emacs which shows the null characters as a ^@ The digest is fired off automatically from a cron job and the null characters messing up my digest mean that I have to keep an eye on the damn thing which is a real sod when I'm on holiday or sick. Would anybody have any idea as to how I can get around this problem? Maybe you have a c prog which can read each message, remove the nulls and then refile the message? Does anybody actually understand what the hell I'm talking about? There is little or no chance of our MH getting upgraded in the near future because our over-worked, hugely intelligent and (I suppose) awesomely handsome (What makes you think he might be reading this message?) postmaster is V.Busy with about 1.5 million other things. Any help/pointers/pills gladly accepted/received, Mal. Keeper of Ogri - probably the worlds most refreshing Motorcycle Mailing list. This is the version of MH which we run: version: MH 6.7.1 #5[UCI] (unicorn) of Thu May 23 16:46:36 BST 1991 options: [ATHENA] [MHE] [MHRC] [MORE='"/usr/bin/more"'] [RPATHS] [SHADOW] [SOCKETS] [SYS5] [SYS5DIR] [TYPESIG='void'] [TZNAME] [UK] [ZONEINFO] [SENDMTS] [SMTP] From List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Thu Jan 20 15:52:57 1994 Return-Path: Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA07389; Thu, 20 Jan 94 15:52:57 GMT Received: from ac.dal.ca by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA07374; Thu, 20 Jan 94 07:52:41 PST Received: from biome.bio.ns.ca (biome.BIO.dfo.ca) by AC.DAL.CA (PMDF V4.2-14 #2545) id <01H7WKUWZME800435X@AC.DAL.CA>; Thu, 20 Jan 1994 11:53:51 -0400 Received: by biome.bio.ns.ca (931110.SGI/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for @ac.dal.ca:list-managers@greatcircle.com id AA10772; Thu, 20 Jan 94 11:53:55 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 11:53:54 -0400 (AST) From: sysop@biome.bio.ns.ca (Bill Silvert) Subject: List Problems To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Message-Id: <9401201553.AA10772@biome.bio.ns.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1192 Sender: List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I've just set up a new list and although it is just like all the other lists I've got running, same permissions and all, it isn't functioning properly. Some subscriptions are being processed OK, but I keep on running into problems associated with shlock.pl that generate pages of the following sort of error message: trying lock "/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/L.fish-ecology" for pid 10495 temporary filename "/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/.locks/shlock.10495" lock "/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/L.fish-ecology" already exists checking extant lock "/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/L.fish-ecology" process 10403 is extant lock is valid I suspect that there is too much traffic for the locking mechanism to handle, since sometimes a subscription attempt bounces but then the same message, when re-sent, is processed OK. This is proving a real headache, since I set the system up for a chap in Spain and he is baffled by all the error messages. Any help would be appreciated. Bill Silvert BIOME SysOp, Habitat Ecology Division, Bedford Institute of Oceanography. P. O. Box 1006, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2, Attn. Bill Silvert InterNet Address: sysop@biome.bio.ns.ca Phone: (902)426-1577. From List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Fri Jan 21 22:15:24 1994 Return-Path: Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA15104; Fri, 21 Jan 94 22:15:24 GMT Received: from presto.ig.com by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA15091; Fri, 21 Jan 94 14:15:17 PST Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA19484; Fri, 21 Jan 94 14:17:04 -0800 Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 14:17:02 PST From: "John Relph" To: List-Managers@greatcircle.com Subject: Digest Package Message-Id: Sender: List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, If you are using the "Digest" package, originally written by Dave Taylor and more recently distributed by myself, please send me e-mail. Do not reply to this list as I am not a subscriber. I have updated the package, and I am also interested in fixes other people have incorporated. Thank you, -- John From List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Sat Jan 22 14:40:56 1994 Return-Path: Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA17635; Sat, 22 Jan 94 14:40:56 GMT Received: from ac.dal.ca by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA17628; Sat, 22 Jan 94 06:40:48 PST Received: from biome.bio.ns.ca (biome.BIO.dfo.ca) by AC.DAL.CA (PMDF V4.2-14 #2545) id <01H7ZAY4CH00004RR6@AC.DAL.CA>; Sat, 22 Jan 1994 10:42:28 -0400 Received: by biome.bio.ns.ca (931110.SGI/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for @ac.dal.ca:list-managers@greatcircle.com id AA05048; Sat, 22 Jan 94 10:42:27 -0400 Date: Sat, 22 Jan 1994 10:42:26 -0400 (AST) From: bill@biome.bio.ns.ca (Bill Silvert) Subject: More on overloaded Mailing List To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Message-Id: <9401221442.AA05048@biome.bio.ns.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1749 Sender: List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Further information on the following posting -- on checking the system logfile I find that there are massive numbers of errors associated with too many file handles. These correlate with Majordomo activity. This is a busy list, up to 100 new subscriptions per day, and I feel I've opened a real Pandora's box. I'll try to find someone else to take over the list or some other software, but the present situation is proving a real disaster. I can't serve the list and my workstation is really getting clogged by all the activity. Bill Silvert >I've just set up a new list and although it is just like all the other >lists I've got running, same permissions and all, it isn't functioning >properly. Some subscriptions are being processed OK, but I keep on >running into problems associated with shlock.pl that generate pages of >the following sort of error message: > >trying lock "/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/L.fish-ecology" for pid 10495 >temporary filename "/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/.locks/shlock.10495" >lock "/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/L.fish-ecology" already exists >checking extant lock "/usr/local/majordomo/Lists/L.fish-ecology" >process 10403 is extant lock is valid > >I suspect that there is too much traffic for the locking mechanism to >handle, since sometimes a subscription attempt bounces but then the same >message, when re-sent, is processed OK. > >This is proving a real headache, since I set the system up for a chap in >Spain and he is baffled by all the error messages. Any help would be >appreciated. -- Bill Silvert at the Bedford Institute of Oceanography P. O. Box 1006, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2 InterNet Address: silvert@biome.bio.ns.ca (the address bill@biome.bio.ns.ca is only for mailing lists) From List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Sat Jan 22 18:50:22 1994 Return-Path: Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA18359; Sat, 22 Jan 94 18:50:22 GMT Received: from uu9.psi.com by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA18345; Sat, 22 Jan 94 10:50:14 PST Received: from uu0981.UUCP by uu9.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA03797 for ; Sat, 22 Jan 94 13:41:53 -0500 Received: by uu0981 (PCB-UUCP 1.1f) id 2456B3; Sat, 22 Jan 94 12:27:14 -0500 To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: Promoting From: ted.kraus@syncomm.com (Ted Kraus) Message-Id: <41.3111.1000.0C2456B3@syncomm.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jan 94 12:16:00 -0500 Organization: Synergy Online Communications, Inc (201) 331-1797 Sender: List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi I just started a list (but we call it a forum to be sexier) on commercial real estate. Since I'm new to all of this, can anyone give me some insight on how to promote it?......thanks..ted From List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Sun Jan 23 22:48:50 1994 Return-Path: Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA25210; Sun, 23 Jan 94 22:48:50 GMT Received: from localhost by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA25202; Sun, 23 Jan 94 14:48:39 PST Message-Id: <9401232248.AA25202@mycroft.GreatCircle.COM> To: Matthew Engel Cc: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: New Manager Needs Help In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 19 Jan 94 09:21:19 EST Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 14:48:37 -0800 From: Brent Chapman Sender: List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Matthew Engel writes: # I am new to this entire mailing list manager thing and I was wondering if # sombody could help me. I am looking for an automated program such as LISTSERV # or Majordomo. If anyone can tell me where to find these programs it would be # greatly appreciated. Any helpful hints as far as which program is better or # anydifferent program would also be appreciated. Finally, I am attempting to # start up a non-moderated list. Any ideas as far as time consumption? How much # will it cost my schedule? I am not a member of this list, so please E-Mail me # directly. Thanks in advance. Raphael Manfredi did a review and comparison of the three most common UNIX mailing list management packages (ListProc, Procmail, and Majordomo) and posted it to the List-Managers mailing list about a year ago. The review is available for anonymous FTP from FTP.GreatCircle.COM, file pub/list-managers/software.review. That should give you an idea of what's available, and help you choose which one is most appropriate for you. -Brent -- Brent Chapman Great Circle Associates Brent@GreatCircle.COM 1057 West Dana Street +1 415 962 0841 Mountain View, CA 94041 From List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Sun Jan 23 23:22:08 1994 Return-Path: Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA25567; Sun, 23 Jan 94 23:22:08 GMT Received: from rs6a.wln.com by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA25552; Sun, 23 Jan 94 15:21:59 PST Received: by rs6a.wln.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.06) id AA34233; Sun, 23 Jan 1994 15:23:26 -0800 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 15:01:53 -800 (PST) From: Keiko Frank Subject: Setting up listservs To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I am in the process of setting up a listserv for staff use at the Seattle Public Library, and I would like to hear about the experiences of others in setting up listservs. As I have just signed up for List-Managers, I don't know if this topic has already been thoroughly discussed. I have thus far been unable to access the archive to read past messages. Specifically, any information on topics such as the following would be appreciated: 1) Pros and cons of moderated vs. unmoderated listservs. 2) Tips for naming a listserv: - What does the "-L" often found at the end of listserv names mean? Is it preferable to include this in a name? - Can hyphens go anywhere in the name? - Does it matter if the letters of the name are in upper or lower case? 3) Are there any good books or articles on setting up listservs? The literature searches I've done have turned up nothing. Thank you in advance for any assistance on this matter. Keiko Frank Librarian Seattle Public Library From List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Sun Jan 23 23:42:23 1994 Return-Path: Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA25715; Sun, 23 Jan 94 23:42:23 GMT Received: from localhost by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA25699; Sun, 23 Jan 94 15:41:43 PST Message-Id: <9401232341.AA25699@mycroft.GreatCircle.COM> To: Keiko Frank Cc: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Setting up listservs In-Reply-To: Your message of Sun, 23 Jan 1994 15:01:53 -800 (PST) Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 15:41:41 -0800 From: Brent Chapman Sender: List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Keiko Frank writes: # # I am in the process of setting up a listserv for staff use at the Seattle # Public Library, and I would like to hear about the experiences of others # in setting up listservs. As I have just signed up for List-Managers, I don't # know if this topic has already been thoroughly discussed. I have thus far # been unable to access the archive to read past messages. # # Specifically, any information on topics such as the following would be # appreciated: # # 1) Pros and cons of moderated vs. unmoderated listservs. The pros of moderation is that it offers readers lower-volume, higher-quality postings, by weeding out all the "junk". The cons are that it requires someone's time to be the moderator, and that person's views of what's important and what's not are unavoidably reflected (to some extent, at least) in what gets forwarded and what gets ignored. # 2) Tips for naming a listserv: # # - What does the "-L" often found at the end of listserv names # mean? Is it preferable to include this in a name? It's an old BITNET convention for distinguishing mailing lists from "users". I wouldn't bother with it. # - Can hyphens go anywhere in the name? Anywhere but the first character. # - Does it matter if the letters of the name are in upper or # lower case? No. Internet email addresses are generally considered to be case-insensitive. Actually, the truth is more complicated. The domain part of an address (the part after the "@" sign) is, by definition, case-insensitive. The local part of an address (the part before the "@" sign) is left up to the local mailer (Sendmail, for instance, on UNIX machines); most local mailers are by default case-insensitive. # 3) Are there any good books or articles on setting up listservs? # The literature searches I've done have turned up nothing. Not that I know of, not yet. O'Reilly's got one (called "Managing Internet Services") in the works, but it probably won't be out for another few months. There's a file available for anonymous FTP from FTP.GreatCircle.COM called pub/list-managers/software.review that compares the three most common UNIX mailing list management packages (ListProc, Procmail, and Majordomo). -Brent -- Brent Chapman Great Circle Associates Brent@GreatCircle.COM 1057 West Dana Street +1 415 962 0841 Mountain View, CA 94041 From List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Mon Jan 24 08:57:52 1994 Return-Path: Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA27926; Mon, 24 Jan 94 08:57:52 GMT Received: from mail.netcom.com (netcom.netcom.com) by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA27919; Mon, 24 Jan 94 00:57:46 PST Received: from localhost by mail.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id BAA10104; Mon, 24 Jan 1994 01:00:17 -0800 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 00:59:17 -0800 (PST) From: James Cook Subject: What is "mail reflector" ?? To: list-managers@Greatcircle.COM Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk What is a mail reflector, and why is it useful? Thanks. James Cook From List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Tue Jan 25 05:19:21 1994 Return-Path: Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA07761; Tue, 25 Jan 94 05:19:21 GMT Received: from world.std.com by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA07750; Mon, 24 Jan 94 21:19:11 PST Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA19476; Tue, 25 Jan 1994 00:20:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 00:20:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard L. Lunn" Subject: Doing Digests with Majordomo? To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <9401250450.AA07408@mycroft.GreatCircle.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I very new, and would like to do two versions of the same mailing list- regualr and digest. Can this be done using majordomo? or is it a major undertaking? Thank you in advance Regards, >>Dick<< From List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Tue Jan 25 23:51:15 1994 Return-Path: Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA02525; Tue, 25 Jan 94 23:51:15 GMT Received: from ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov (ptolemy-ethernet.arc.nasa.gov) by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA02517; Tue, 25 Jan 94 15:51:02 PST Received: from zog.arc.nasa.gov by ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov (4.1/) id ; Tue, 25 Jan 94 15:52:11 PST Received: by zog.arc.nasa.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24305; Tue, 25 Jan 94 15:52:11 PST Date: Tue, 25 Jan 94 15:52:11 PST Message-Id: <9401252352.AA24305@zog.arc.nasa.gov> From: Kimball Collins To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Cc: kpc@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov Subject: Can you recommended mailing list software for my list? Sender: List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk hi, i just joined the digest. please forgive my lack of capitalization! i administrate the cognitive neuroscience mailing list (cogneuro-request@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov), which uses my own software. my software is written in emacs lisp, vm, and bbdb to partially automate the administration of this plain sendmail alias list. it's getting to be a pain as the list gets bigger (bbdb slows down, and handling bounces is not automated), so i'm looking for much better software. i'm so exasperated by bounces, dealing with subscriptions, etc. now that i will chuck (for now) my notions of fancy, interesting applications of computer-assisted communications to scientific collaboration -- and go with something that is relatively easy and reliable to use and administrate. the software i seek ideally has neat features for later, but if it's easy to use and easy to administrate, and if it's reliable and easy for my sysadmins to set up (or possible for me to set up), then i'm interested in hearing about it. (i'm about as computer literate as you can ask for, but i don't want to take too many risks with my readership with new software, and i'm really tired of fixing bugs!) what packages do the esteemed list managers here recommend for me? majordomo? listserv? the extropians software? i run in a networked sunos 4.1.3 environment. features: i don't absolutely need archiving capability, since one of my list members is archiving the list for me. ideally, however, a little automated db of list members who decide to make information about themselves public would be included. (i.e. those who don't set conceal would be able to submit their c.v.'s or .plan files for the database so others can search them.) but that's wishing! :-) also ideally the software would post only members' posts, without bothering me, but would bother me for non-members. finally, if it looks like listserv to newcomers who are used only to listserv, that's an advantage. but if somebody who thinks it's listserv when it's not won't get in a spot, and if it's easy to explain the instructions to people in my announcement, that won't matter. for reference, my current policies are as follows: only members who have read the instructions may post (honor system now, since i just use a plain sendmail alias for the list), anybody who is interested and intellectually honest may join, i try to protect privacy, i allow unique pseudonyms, and posts are not censored. there's also a notion of self- and cooperative-editing that the list employs, but it's not worth discussing here. some users are new to computer-assisted communication. some users are familiar only with listserv and my list. some users are america-online users (whose software has some bugs). oh, yes, ideally it won't be a hard jump for a user to use the new software to unsubscribe or subscribe if he's used to the cogneuro address for posting and the cogneuro-request address for subscriptions. comments are appreciated! thanks. -- kpc@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov. Interests: multidisciplinary neuroethology, AI, HCI. Free & private speech are vital to democracy on mankind's very future, the net. Obedience to authority ONLY for its own sake is a problem; it's not a solution. The prescription monopoly raises costs and lowers quality. Legalize medicines! From List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Wed Jan 26 01:38:14 1994 Return-Path: Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA03123; Wed, 26 Jan 94 01:38:14 GMT Received: from localhost by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA03115; Tue, 25 Jan 94 17:38:08 PST Message-Id: <9401260138.AA03115@mycroft.GreatCircle.COM> To: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Funky new bounces from Solaris 2.x? Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 17:38:07 -0800 From: Brent Chapman Sender: List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Has anybody else been seeing a bunch of funky new bounces, with the header fields all messed up (things like "Date: to" and "Subject: sender" and "Message-Id: brent@greatcircle.com")? Do they all seem to be coming from Solaris 2.x mailers (identifer "5.0/SMI-SVR4" in the "Received:" lines they generate)? Has anybody tracked this down and, if it's a Sun bug, reported it? -Brent -- Brent Chapman Great Circle Associates Brent@GreatCircle.COM 1057 West Dana Street +1 415 962 0841 Mountain View, CA 94041 From List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Wed Jan 26 17:46:16 1994 Return-Path: Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA06993; Wed, 26 Jan 94 17:46:16 GMT Received: from uhura.cc.rochester.edu by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA06986; Wed, 26 Jan 94 09:46:09 PST Received: from localhost (jh013a@localhost) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id MAA07444 for List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 12:47:58 -0500 From: Jonathan Hurwitz Message-Id: <199401261747.MAA07444@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: majordomo 1.62 info (looking for) To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 12:47:57 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 311 Sender: List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk sorry to send this to everyone, but I am fairly new at this and am not sure whom to directly ask. anyway, I am looking for _detailed_ instructions on how to install, customize, etc, etc majordomo 1.62 onto a system running Sun 4.1.3 any info or suggestions would be appreciated jh013a@uhura.cc.rochester.edu From List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Wed Jan 26 20:16:37 1994 Return-Path: Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA07485; Wed, 26 Jan 94 20:16:37 GMT Received: from umailsrv0.UMD.EDU by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA07460; Wed, 26 Jan 94 12:15:17 PST Received: by umailsrv0.UMD.EDU (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA10022; Wed, 26 Jan 94 15:16:47 -0500 Message-Id: <9401262016.AA10022@umailsrv0.UMD.EDU> Received: by umailsrv0.umd.edu; Wed, 26 Jan 94 15:16 EST Date: Wed, 26 Jan 94 15:16 EST From: David_J_PAUL@umail.umd.edu (jd139) Subject: Local Govt. Listserv To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Sender: List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Fellow netters: I hope that this is a good place to post this quest. If not please direct me to an appropriate location. I am looking for a listserv that deals with local government issues or public administration. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Please respond to jd139@umail.umd.edu Thanks, David. From List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Thu Jan 27 03:09:19 1994 Return-Path: Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA08974; Thu, 27 Jan 94 03:09:19 GMT Received: from uhura.cc.rochester.edu by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA08967; Wed, 26 Jan 94 19:09:10 PST Received: from localhost (jh013a@localhost) by uhura.cc.rochester.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id WAA06949 for list-managers@GreatCircle.COM; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 22:10:56 -0500 From: Jonathan Hurwitz Message-Id: <199401270310.WAA06949@uhura.cc.rochester.edu> Subject: majordomo docs To: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 22:10:56 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 283 Sender: List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk sorry if this went out twice, but I don't think it succeeded the first time.. basically I am looking for _detailed_ documentation on installing, customizing etc, etc a listserver using majordomo 1.62 onto SunOs 4.1.3. thank you for any info provided jh013a@uhura.cc.rochester.edu From List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Thu Jan 27 03:26:02 1994 Return-Path: Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA09062; Thu, 27 Jan 94 03:26:02 GMT Received: from localhost by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1/Brent-931103) id AA09043; Wed, 26 Jan 94 19:24:13 PST Message-Id: <9401270324.AA09043@mycroft.GreatCircle.COM> To: Jonathan Hurwitz Cc: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: majordomo docs In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 26 Jan 1994 22:10:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 19:24:12 -0800 From: Brent Chapman Sender: List-Managers-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Jonathan Hurwitz writes: # sorry if this went out twice, but I don't think it succeeded the first # time.. It did. Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM would be a more appropriate list for this question. # basically I am looking for _detailed_ documentation on installing, customizin # g # etc, etc a listserver using majordomo 1.62 onto SunOs 4.1.3. What documentation exists, is included with the package. There is a chapter of an upcoming O'Reilly & Associates book (Managing Internet Services) on Majordomo, but the book isn't due out for several months. -Brent -- Brent Chapman Great Circle Associates Brent@GreatCircle.COM 1057 West Dana Street +1 415 962 0841 Mountain View, CA 94041