From list-managers-owner Thu Nov 3 17:25:57 1994 Received: (daemon@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) id QAA16407 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:54:44 -0800 Received: from physio1.utmem.edu.utmem.edu (physio1.utmem.edu [132.192.44.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) with SMTP id IAA10151 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 08:56:21 -0800 From: ltague@physio1.utmem.edu Received: from localhost by physio1.utmem.edu.utmem.edu (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA21851; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 10:58:55 -0600 Message-Id: <9411031658.AA21851@physio1.utmem.edu.utmem.edu> To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Cc: ltague@physio1.utmem.edu Subject: Making Majordomo work with Ultrix 4.4 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 94 10:58:49 -0600 X-Mts: smtp Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I am a new majordomo (version 1.92) would be list manager having problems getting everything to run properly.... please help.... especially those who have previous experience with this software on Ultrix systems. 1. I created a user named majordom whose home directory is /usr/local/majordomo. For this dir. I used chmod -R 775. Inside this directory is the following: .cshrc Log digest .login archive lists .profile bin majordomo-1.92.tar 2. All the executables are in bin which are as follows: Changelog bounce majordomo_version.pl shlock.pl Changes bounce-remind medit wrapper Description config_parse.pl new-list wrapper.bsd Doc contrib request-answer wrapper.c Makefile digest resend wrapper.sh Manifest majordomo resend.README README majordomo.cf sample.aliases approve majordomo.pl sample.cf 3. Since Ultrix is POSIX compliant I used these options in the wrapper.c and then typed make... seemed to work?? 4. I then created a list called human-physiology and put the following in /usr/lib/aliases: # # human-physiology # owner-human-physiology: human-physiology-owner human-physiology: "|/usr/local/majordomo/bin/wrapper resend -p bulk -M 10000 -R -l human-physiology -f sample-owner -h physio1.utmem.edu -s human-physiology-outgoing" human-physiology-owner: ltague #human-physiology-approval: human-physiology-owner human-physiology-outgoing: :include:/usr/local/majordomo/lists/human-physiology owner-human-physiology-outgoing: human-physiology-owner owner-human-physiology-archive: human-physiology-owner human-physiology-request: "|/usr/local/majordomo/bin/wrapper request-answer human-physiology" owner-human-physiology-request: human-physiology-owner: 5. I then tested the system in two ways. 1) sendmail -v with "help" and dxmail sending the "help" command. The sendmail -v gave a permission denied in shlock.pl line 131, but the dxmail seemed to work sending back the help page. I then sent the majordomo command lists using dxmail and got the following: Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 17:32:37 -0600 From: MAILER-DAEMON (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 13 To: owner-majordomo ----- Transcript of session follows ----- shlock: open(">/usr/local/majordomo/lists/shlock.19473"): Permission denied at /usr/local/majordomo/bin/shlock.pl line 131, <_GEN_1> line 1. Can't create new config file /usr/local/majordomo/lists/human-physiology.config.out at /usr/local/majordomo/bin/config_parse.pl line 440, <_GEN_1> line 1. 554 "|/usr/local/majordomo/bin/wrapper majordomo"... unknown mailer error 13 6. FYI the owner and group for all the files is majordom and majordom. I have tried including the daemon as a group member but this does not help. Same errors. If you need clarification please let me know. Thanks for any assistance that you can provide and have a nice day! Larry Larry Tague U.T., Memphis Research Associate Dept. of Physiology & Biophysics Associate Director, MECCA* 894 Union Ave Phone Bus.: 901-448-7152 Memphis, TN 38163 Phone FAX: 901-448-7126 e-mail: ltague@physio1.utmem.edu ltague@mecca.org (soon) *MECCA (Memphis Eductional Computer Connectivity Alliance) URL: http://physio61.utmem.edu/mecca.html (temporary) Gopher: physio1.utmem.edu 70 (temporary) Soon to become: URL: http://www.mecca.org/mecca.html Gopher: gopher.mecca.org 70 -------- From list-managers-owner Fri Nov 4 12:40:55 1994 Received: (daemon@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) id MAA27065 for list-managers-outgoing; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 12:28:19 -0800 Received: from netcom14.netcom.com (mcb@netcom14.netcom.com [192.100.81.126]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) with ESMTP id SAA17776 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 18:06:18 -0800 Received: by netcom14.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id SAA24461; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 18:01:18 -0800 Message-Id: <199411040201.SAA24461@netcom14.netcom.com> From: mcb@netcom.com (Michael C. Berch) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 18:01:18 PST In-Reply-To: <9411031658.AA21851@physio1.utmem.edu.utmem.edu> X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: ltague@physio1.utmem.edu Subject: Re: Making Majordomo work with Ultrix 4.4 Cc: list-managers@greatcircle.com Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > I am a new majordomo (version 1.92) would be list manager having problems > getting everything to run properly.... please help.... especially those > who have previous experience with this software on Ultrix systems. Please direct Majordomo-specific questions to one of the majordomo mailing lists (e.g., majordomo-users@greatcircle.com). List-Managers is for general policy and technical issues rather than specific software support questions. Thanks, -- Michael C. Berch List-Managers list manager List stuff: list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com In real life: mcb@postmodern.com / mcb@netcom.com / mcb@greatcircle.com From list-managers-owner Fri Nov 4 12:52:30 1994 Received: (daemon@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) id MAA27083 for list-managers-outgoing; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 12:28:44 -0800 Received: from bosnia.pop.psu.edu (barr@bosnia.pop.psu.edu [146.186.111.25]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) with ESMTP id GAA23782 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 06:38:43 -0800 Received: from localhost (barr@localhost) by bosnia.pop.psu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA11368; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:36:54 -0500 Message-Id: <199411041436.JAA11368@bosnia.pop.psu.edu> To: ltague@physio1.utmem.edu cc: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Making Majordomo work with Ultrix 4.4 In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 03 Nov 1994 10:58:49 CST." <9411031658.AA21851@physio1.utmem.edu.utmem.edu> X-Face: $+9-wYg.[->94HJ{go[7Q]E!K&hUg7ZhLyCMyq_FU*ca0GazE>^/2BKLcK0bP-'%;Nn?M+am,jlSP>1K$iz@ %'v'FEW{@](U&Ed/}>ju3Ctlr!XwJ27Q)7h2a%"`sz;j:/3EC[mXi@*X@HE1]'ddq$ZX"ePsMyTkeg >zdML.SVvX1W`adGIUD Date: Fri, 04 Nov 1994 09:36:53 -0500 From: David Barr Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk In message <9411031658.AA21851@physio1.utmem.edu.utmem.edu>, ltague@physio1.utm em.edu writes: >I am a new majordomo (version 1.92) would be list manager having problems >getting everything to run properly.... please help.... especially those who ha >ve >previous experience with this software on Ultrix systems. > [..] >shlock: open(">/usr/local/majordomo/lists/shlock.19473"): Permission denied at > >/usr/local/majordomo/bin/shlock.pl line 131, <_GEN_1> line 1. You should ask Majordomo-specific questions to majordomo-users@greatcircle.com This question is also answered in the Majordomo FAQ. You can get the Majordomo FAQ by sending an e-mail message to majordomo@pop.psu.edu with "get file majordomo-faq" in the body of the message. You can get an HTML version on the World Wide Web at http://www.pop.psu.edu/~barr/majordomo-faq.html. The FAQ is also posted monthly to the Usenet newsgroups comp.mail.misc, comp.mail.sendmail, comp.mail.smail, comp.answers, and news.answers. --Dave From list-managers-owner Fri Nov 4 13:39:18 1994 Received: (daemon@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) id NAA27631 for list-managers-outgoing; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 13:09:39 -0800 Received: from access1.digex.net (access1.digex.net [164.109.10.3]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) with SMTP id NAA27626 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 13:09:24 -0800 Received: by access1.digex.net id AA21553 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for list-managers@greatcircle.com); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 16:08:12 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 16:08:11 -0500 (EST) From: Christoph Berendes To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: Managing large lists Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I'm looking for FAQs, war stories, and good tools for managing multiple lists with large numbers of participants who send in as well as read messages. Large in this case is 1000-5000, with 200-1000 incoming messages per day. From list-managers-owner Tue Nov 8 06:39:01 1994 Received: (daemon@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) id GAA00600 for list-managers-outgoing; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 06:36:08 -0800 Received: from SYSWRK.UCIS.DAL.CA (syswrk.UCIS.Dal.Ca [129.173.2.108]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) with ESMTP id GAA00592 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 06:35:34 -0800 Received: from AC.Dal.Ca by SYSWRK.UCIS.DAL.CA (PMDF V4.2-14 #2545) id <01HJ8F5VIIC0004I7N@SYSWRK.UCIS.DAL.CA>; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:34:04 -0400 Received: from biome.bio.ns.ca (biome.BIO.dfo.ca) by AC.DAL.CA (PMDF V4.2-14 #2545) id <01HJ8F5KHHC000XGXZ@AC.DAL.CA>; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:33:50 -0400 Received: by biome.bio.ns.ca (931110.SGI/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for @ac.dal.ca:jik@GZA.COM id AA16771; Tue, 8 Nov 94 10:32:59 -0400 Date: Tue, 08 Nov 1994 10:32:58 -0400 (AST) From: bill@biome.bio.ns.ca (Bill Silvert) Subject: Mail file server available To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM (List Managers) Cc: jik@GZA.COM (Jonathan I. Kamens) Message-id: <9411081432.AA16771@biome.bio.ns.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 655 Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Quite a few subscribers to lists here have only Email access to the net, so I run a mail server. This enables subscribers to retrieve files from our anonymous ftp server by sending mail with ftp-like commands. The software has recently been updated in response to user requests and the current version is on ftp://biome.bio.dfo.ca/pub/unix/mail-server.tar.gz If you want a demo, send the message help to server@biome.bio.ns.ca Bill -- Bill Silvert at the Bedford Institute of Oceanography P. O. Box 1006, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2 Preferred InterNet Address: silvert@biome.bio.ns.ca HED runs a WWW server at URL=http://biome.bio.dfo.ca From list-managers-owner Tue Nov 8 15:21:18 1994 Received: (daemon@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) id OAA04985 for list-managers-outgoing; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:44:54 -0800 Received: from UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU (root@UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU [129.7.1.11]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) with SMTP id MAA03230 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:14:32 -0800 Received: from Taronga.COM by UUCP-GW.CC.UH.EDU with UUCP id AA17637 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for greatcircle.com!list-managers); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:54:22 -0600 Received: by bonkers.taronga.com (smail2.5p) id AA02906; 8 Nov 94 12:28:59 CST (Tue) Received: (from arielle@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id MAA02903 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:28:59 -0600 From: Stephanie da Silva Message-Id: <199411081828.MAA02903@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: The -request address To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:28:58 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 340 Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I'm writing a short file to post to news.announce.newusers, and in it, I'm planning on including the various ways to subscribe to various mailing lists (or at least as many as I can cover). My question is, do Listproc and Listserv support the -request convention? I know Majordomo does, but I'm not sure about the other two. From list-managers-owner Fri Nov 11 01:15:27 1994 Received: (daemon@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) id AAA27766 for list-managers-outgoing; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 00:51:45 -0800 Received: from tango.rahul.net (root@tango.rahul.net [192.160.13.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) with SMTP id OAA14399 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 14:43:43 -0800 Received: from bolero.rahul.net by tango.rahul.net with SMTP id AA24408 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 14:43:00 -0800 Received: by bolero.rahul.net id AA16875 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for list-managers@greatcircle.com); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 14:42:59 -0800 Message-Id: <199411092242.AA16875@bolero.rahul.net> To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: The -request address In-Reply-To: <199411081828.MAA02903@bonkers.taronga.com> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 94 14:42:58 -0800 From: Michelle Dick Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On a related note, I have just made a change to how I run my manually-adminstered list and have drastically reduced missent subscribe/unsubscribe requests. The list is on cooking and attracts lots of non-computer savvy folks. I offer both regular and digest subscriptions. I used to send one long intro file about the list. I have since broken into 3 parts: on/off instructions, recipe rules, and posting guidelines. The on/off section gets sent first (won't necessarily arrive first) and makes it very clear where to send on/off requests, that sending them to the posting address is bad and will only annoy 2000 readers and not be effective. I was astounded. I used to get 1-3 a day (it's a high-volume, high-turnover list) and I haven't had one in the past two weeks. I guess taking out the instructions, putting them in their own seperate message, using lots of CAPS and admonishing folks to SAVE THIS MESSAGE really works. Polite instructions buried in a long intro just didn't cut it. Newbies now sometimes post using the request address (I guess they figure that's now the safer bet if they are confused), but I'm much happier with that error than the reverse and they are easier to teach. (newbies who post tend to care about the list as opposed to newbies who unsubscribe immediately). There were two earlier changes I did that helped: list the subscribe address as listname-REQUEST@list.site whenever possible. Change the reply-to address on the digest from the posting address to the request address. Now I get missent postings instead of missent admin requests, but to me that's an improvement. I could make the reply-to bogus or point to an auto-responder with instructions, but I happy with it the way it is. But neither of these were anywhere near as effective as the seperate strongly-worded on/off instructional message. -- Michelle Dick artemis@rahul.net East Palo Alto, CA Owner, FATFREE Vegetarian Mailing List From list-managers-owner Mon Nov 14 11:14:16 1994 Received: (daemon@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) id KAA23148 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 10:58:31 -0800 Received: from csidc.csof.com ([199.170.54.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) with SMTP id KAA23143 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 10:58:05 -0800 From: Administrator_at_CorpSoftPortland@smtp.csof.com Received: from smtp.csof.com by csidc with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA10396; Mon, 14 Nov 94 13:54:55 -0500 Received: from ccMail by smtp.csof.com id AA784850091 Mon, 14 Nov 94 13:54:51 EST Date: Mon, 14 Nov 94 13:54:51 EST Encoding: 3458 Text Message-Id: <9410147848.AA784850091@smtp.csof.com> To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Message not deliverable Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk List-Managers-Digest Saturday, 12 November 1994 Volume 03 : Number 199 In this issue: Re: The -request address See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the List-Managers or List-Managers-Digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michelle Dick Date: Wed, 09 Nov 94 14:42:58 -0800 Subject: Re: The -request address On a related note, I have just made a change to how I run my manually-adminstered list and have drastically reduced missent subscribe/unsubscribe requests. The list is on cooking and attracts lots of non-computer savvy folks. I offer both regular and digest subscriptions. I used to send one long intro file about the list. I have since broken into 3 parts: on/off instructions, recipe rules, and posting guidelines. The on/off section gets sent first (won't necessarily arrive first) and makes it very clear where to send on/off requests, that sending them to the posting address is bad and will only annoy 2000 readers and not be effective. I was astounded. I used to get 1-3 a day (it's a high-volume, high-turnover list) and I haven't had one in the past two weeks. I guess taking out the instructions, putting them in their own seperate message, using lots of CAPS and admonishing folks to SAVE THIS MESSAGE really works. Polite instructions buried in a long intro just didn't cut it. Newbies now sometimes post using the request address (I guess they figure that's now the safer bet if they are confused), but I'm much happier with that error than the reverse and they are easier to teach. (newbies who post tend to care about the list as opposed to newbies who unsubscribe immediately). There were two earlier changes I did that helped: list the subscribe address as listname-REQUEST@list.site whenever possible. Change the reply-to address on the digest from the posting address to the request address. Now I get missent postings instead of missent admin requests, but to me that's an improvement. I could make the reply-to bogus or point to an auto-responder with instructions, but I happy with it the way it is. But neither of these were anywhere near as effective as the seperate strongly-worded on/off instructional message. - -- Michelle Dick artemis@rahul.net East Palo Alto, CA Owner, FATFREE Vegetarian Mailing List ------------------------------ End of List-Managers-Digest V3 #199 *********************************** To unsubscribe from List-Managers-Digest, send the following command in the body of a message to "Majordomo@GreatCircle.COM": unsubscribe list-managers-digest If you want to subscribe or unsubscribe an address other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the command; for example, to subscribe "local-list-managers": subscribe list-managers-digest local-list-managers@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "list-managers-digest" in the commands above with "list-managers". Compressed back issues are available for anonymous FTP from FTP.GreatCircle.COM, in pub/list-managers/digest/vNN.nMMM.Z (where "NN" is the volume number, and "MMM" is the issue number). From list-managers-owner Tue Nov 15 01:38:43 1994 Received: (daemon@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) id BAA29711 for list-managers-outgoing; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 01:20:27 -0800 Received: from csidc.csof.com ([199.170.54.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) with SMTP id BAA29706 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 01:20:19 -0800 From: Administrator_at_CorpSoftPortland@smtp.csof.com Received: from smtp.csof.com by csidc with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA18229; Tue, 15 Nov 94 04:17:44 -0500 Received: from ccMail by smtp.csof.com id AA784901929 Tue, 15 Nov 94 04:18:49 EST Date: Tue, 15 Nov 94 04:18:49 EST Encoding: 4913 Text Message-Id: <9410157849.AA784901929@smtp.csof.com> To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Message not deliverable Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk List-Managers-Digest Tuesday, 15 November 1994 Volume 03 : Number 200 In this issue: Message not deliverable See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the List-Managers or List-Managers-Digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Administrator_at_CorpSoftPortland@smtp.csof.com Date: Mon, 14 Nov 94 13:54:51 EST Subject: Message not deliverable List-Managers-Digest Saturday, 12 November 1994 Volume 03 : Number 199 In this issue: Re: The -request address See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the List-Managers or List-Managers-Digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michelle Dick Date: Wed, 09 Nov 94 14:42:58 -0800 Subject: Re: The -request address On a related note, I have just made a change to how I run my manually-adminstered list and have drastically reduced missent subscribe/unsubscribe requests. The list is on cooking and attracts lots of non-computer savvy folks. I offer both regular and digest subscriptions. I used to send one long intro file about the list. I have since broken into 3 parts: on/off instructions, recipe rules, and posting guidelines. The on/off section gets sent first (won't necessarily arrive first) and makes it very clear where to send on/off requests, that sending them to the posting address is bad and will only annoy 2000 readers and not be effective. I was astounded. I used to get 1-3 a day (it's a high-volume, high-turnover list) and I haven't had one in the past two weeks. I guess taking out the instructions, putting them in their own seperate message, using lots of CAPS and admonishing folks to SAVE THIS MESSAGE really works. Polite instructions buried in a long intro just didn't cut it. Newbies now sometimes post using the request address (I guess they figure that's now the safer bet if they are confused), but I'm much happier with that error than the reverse and they are easier to teach. (newbies who post tend to care about the list as opposed to newbies who unsubscribe immediately). There were two earlier changes I did that helped: list the subscribe address as listname-REQUEST@list.site whenever possible. Change the reply-to address on the digest from the posting address to the request address. Now I get missent postings instead of missent admin requests, but to me that's an improvement. I could make the reply-to bogus or point to an auto-responder with instructions, but I happy with it the way it is. But neither of these were anywhere near as effective as the seperate strongly-worded on/off instructional message. - - -- Michelle Dick artemis@rahul.net East Palo Alto, CA Owner, FATFREE Vegetarian Mailing List - ------------------------------ End of List-Managers-Digest V3 #199 *********************************** To unsubscribe from List-Managers-Digest, send the following command in the body of a message to "Majordomo@GreatCircle.COM": unsubscribe list-managers-digest If you want to subscribe or unsubscribe an address other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the command; for example, to subscribe "local-list-managers": subscribe list-managers-digest local-list-managers@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "list-managers-digest" in the commands above with "list-managers". Compressed back issues are available for anonymous FTP from FTP.GreatCircle.COM, in pub/list-managers/digest/vNN.nMMM.Z (where "NN" is the volume number, and "MMM" is the issue number). ------------------------------ End of List-Managers-Digest V3 #200 *********************************** To unsubscribe from List-Managers-Digest, send the following command in the body of a message to "Majordomo@GreatCircle.COM": unsubscribe list-managers-digest If you want to subscribe or unsubscribe an address other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the command; for example, to subscribe "local-list-managers": subscribe list-managers-digest local-list-managers@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "list-managers-digest" in the commands above with "list-managers". Compressed back issues are available for anonymous FTP from FTP.GreatCircle.COM, in pub/list-managers/digest/vNN.nMMM.Z (where "NN" is the volume number, and "MMM" is the issue number). From list-managers-owner Tue Nov 15 07:09:34 1994 Received: (daemon@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) id GAA01337 for list-managers-outgoing; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 06:50:31 -0800 Received: from CVI.HAHNEMANN.EDU (cvi.hahnemann.edu [192.54.238.50]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) with SMTP id GAA01332 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 06:50:26 -0800 Received: by cvi.hahnemann.edu (MX V3.3 VAX) id 2125; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 09:41:53 EST Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 09:41:50 EST From: "Anthony J. Rzepela" To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Message-ID: <009877F5.94A2A680.2125@cvi.hahnemann.edu> Subject: Re: The -request address Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Michelle Dick writes: > I guess taking out the instructions, putting them in their own > seperate message, using lots of CAPS and admonishing folks to SAVE > THIS MESSAGE really works. Polite instructions buried in a long intro > just didn't cut it. I second that. My automated greeting message, whether the enrollment was automatic or done by (my) hand, includes, in a message that is only two screens long and has lots of "air": ===========begin quoted area: Administrative requests: ------------------------ Just include one of the commands in the BODY of your email message. SUBSCRIBE --> IN THE SIGNOFF --> BODY OF REVIEW --> YOUR MESSAGE ===========end Seems very effective. I help run another list I do not own, but which has sub/unsub info at the bottom of every bloody piece of list/digest mail that goes out, and cluelessness still abounds. Hm. Is repetition ineffective? +------ Anthony J. Rzepela rzepela@cvi.hahnemann.edu -----+ | Hahnemann University, Philadelphia (215) 762-7741 | | I do not speak for, or represent, Hahnemann University or AHERF. | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ From list-managers-owner Wed Nov 16 07:47:29 1994 Received: (daemon@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) id HAA03260 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 07:38:07 -0800 Received: from csidc.csof.com ([199.170.54.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) with SMTP id HAA03254 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 07:37:57 -0800 From: Administrator_at_CorpSoftPortland@smtp.csof.com Received: from smtp.csof.com by csidc with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA14696; Wed, 16 Nov 94 10:34:47 -0500 Received: from ccMail by smtp.csof.com id AA785010856 Wed, 16 Nov 94 10:34:16 EST Date: Wed, 16 Nov 94 10:34:16 EST Encoding: 7952 Text Message-Id: <9410167850.AA785010856@smtp.csof.com> To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Message not deliverable Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk List-Managers-Digest Wednesday, 16 November 1994 Volume 03 : Number 201 In this issue: Message not deliverable Re: The -request address See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the List-Managers or List-Managers-Digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Administrator_at_CorpSoftPortland@smtp.csof.com Date: Tue, 15 Nov 94 04:18:49 EST Subject: Message not deliverable List-Managers-Digest Tuesday, 15 November 1994 Volume 03 : Number 200 In this issue: Message not deliverable See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the List-Managers or List-Managers-Digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Administrator_at_CorpSoftPortland@smtp.csof.com Date: Mon, 14 Nov 94 13:54:51 EST Subject: Message not deliverable List-Managers-Digest Saturday, 12 November 1994 Volume 03 : Number 199 In this issue: Re: The -request address See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the List-Managers or List-Managers-Digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. - - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michelle Dick Date: Wed, 09 Nov 94 14:42:58 -0800 Subject: Re: The -request address On a related note, I have just made a change to how I run my manually-adminstered list and have drastically reduced missent subscribe/unsubscribe requests. The list is on cooking and attracts lots of non-computer savvy folks. I offer both regular and digest subscriptions. I used to send one long intro file about the list. I have since broken into 3 parts: on/off instructions, recipe rules, and posting guidelines. The on/off section gets sent first (won't necessarily arrive first) and makes it very clear where to send on/off requests, that sending them to the posting address is bad and will only annoy 2000 readers and not be effective. I was astounded. I used to get 1-3 a day (it's a high-volume, high-turnover list) and I haven't had one in the past two weeks. I guess taking out the instructions, putting them in their own seperate message, using lots of CAPS and admonishing folks to SAVE THIS MESSAGE really works. Polite instructions buried in a long intro just didn't cut it. Newbies now sometimes post using the request address (I guess they figure that's now the safer bet if they are confused), but I'm much happier with that error than the reverse and they are easier to teach. (newbies who post tend to care about the list as opposed to newbies who unsubscribe immediately). There were two earlier changes I did that helped: list the subscribe address as listname-REQUEST@list.site whenever possible. Change the reply-to address on the digest from the posting address to the request address. Now I get missent postings instead of missent admin requests, but to me that's an improvement. I could make the reply-to bogus or point to an auto-responder with instructions, but I happy with it the way it is. But neither of these were anywhere near as effective as the seperate strongly-worded on/off instructional message. - - - -- Michelle Dick artemis@rahul.net East Palo Alto, CA Owner, FATFREE Vegetarian Mailing List - - ------------------------------ End of List-Managers-Digest V3 #199 *********************************** To unsubscribe from List-Managers-Digest, send the following command in the body of a message to "Majordomo@GreatCircle.COM": unsubscribe list-managers-digest If you want to subscribe or unsubscribe an address other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the command; for example, to subscribe "local-list-managers": subscribe list-managers-digest local-list-managers@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "list-managers-digest" in the commands above with "list-managers". Compressed back issues are available for anonymous FTP from FTP.GreatCircle.COM, in pub/list-managers/digest/vNN.nMMM.Z (where "NN" is the volume number, and "MMM" is the issue number). - ------------------------------ End of List-Managers-Digest V3 #200 *********************************** To unsubscribe from List-Managers-Digest, send the following command in the body of a message to "Majordomo@GreatCircle.COM": unsubscribe list-managers-digest If you want to subscribe or unsubscribe an address other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the command; for example, to subscribe "local-list-managers": subscribe list-managers-digest local-list-managers@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "list-managers-digest" in the commands above with "list-managers". Compressed back issues are available for anonymous FTP from FTP.GreatCircle.COM, in pub/list-managers/digest/vNN.nMMM.Z (where "NN" is the volume number, and "MMM" is the issue number). ------------------------------ From: "Anthony J. Rzepela" Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 09:41:50 EST Subject: Re: The -request address Michelle Dick writes: > I guess taking out the instructions, putting them in their own > seperate message, using lots of CAPS and admonishing folks to SAVE > THIS MESSAGE really works. Polite instructions buried in a long intro > just didn't cut it. I second that. My automated greeting message, whether the enrollment was automatic or done by (my) hand, includes, in a message that is only two screens long and has lots of "air": ===========begin quoted area: Administrative requests: - ------------------------ Just include one of the commands in the BODY of your email message. SUBSCRIBE --> IN THE SIGNOFF --> BODY OF REVIEW --> YOUR MESSAGE ===========end Seems very effective. I help run another list I do not own, but which has sub/unsub info at the bottom of every bloody piece of list/digest mail that goes out, and cluelessness still abounds. Hm. Is repetition ineffective? +------ Anthony J. Rzepela rzepela@cvi.hahnemann.edu -----+ | Hahnemann University, Philadelphia (215) 762-7741 | | I do not speak for, or represent, Hahnemann University or AHERF. | +--------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ End of List-Managers-Digest V3 #201 *********************************** To unsubscribe from List-Managers-Digest, send the following command in the body of a message to "Majordomo@GreatCircle.COM": unsubscribe list-managers-digest If you want to subscribe or unsubscribe an address other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the command; for example, to subscribe "local-list-managers": subscribe list-managers-digest local-list-managers@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "list-managers-digest" in the commands above with "list-managers". Compressed back issues are available for anonymous FTP from FTP.GreatCircle.COM, in pub/list-managers/digest/vNN.nMMM.Z (where "NN" is the volume number, and "MMM" is the issue number). From list-managers-owner Wed Nov 16 16:14:09 1994 Received: (daemon@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) id QAA08194 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:12:58 -0800 Received: (mcb@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) id QAA08188 for list-managers; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:12:56 -0800 Message-Id: <199411170012.QAA08188@miles.greatcircle.com> From: mcb@greatcircle.com (Michael C. Berch) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:12:56 +0000 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: list-managers Subject: Problem with List-Managers Digest Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk As some of you may have already noticed, there appears to be a problem with the Digest edition of List-Managers. This manifests itself as a "stuck" message which keeps repeating. I think I've got it solved, but please bear with us if you see another couple of slightly wonky digests. -- Michael C. Berch Postmaster and List Manager, Great Circle Associates mcb@greatcircle.com From list-managers-owner Thu Nov 17 18:44:08 1994 Received: (daemon@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) id SAA20592 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 18:35:31 -0800 Received: from csidc.csof.com ([199.170.54.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) with SMTP id SAA20587 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 18:35:26 -0800 From: Administrator_at_CorpSoftPortland@smtp.csof.com Received: from smtp.csof.com by csidc with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA25500; Thu, 17 Nov 94 21:31:56 -0500 Received: from ccMail by smtp.csof.com id AA785136749 Thu, 17 Nov 94 21:32:29 EST Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 21:32:29 EST Encoding: 1858 Text Message-Id: <9410177851.AA785136749@smtp.csof.com> To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Message not deliverable Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk List-Managers-Digest Thursday, 17 November 1994 Volume 03 : Number 202 In this issue: Problem with List-Managers Digest See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the List-Managers or List-Managers-Digest mailing lists and on how to retrieve back issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mcb@greatcircle.com (Michael C. Berch) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:12:56 +0000 Subject: Problem with List-Managers Digest As some of you may have already noticed, there appears to be a problem with the Digest edition of List-Managers. This manifests itself as a "stuck" message which keeps repeating. I think I've got it solved, but please bear with us if you see another couple of slightly wonky digests. - -- Michael C. Berch Postmaster and List Manager, Great Circle Associates mcb@greatcircle.com ------------------------------ End of List-Managers-Digest V3 #202 *********************************** To unsubscribe from List-Managers-Digest, send the following command in the body of a message to "Majordomo@GreatCircle.COM": unsubscribe list-managers-digest If you want to subscribe or unsubscribe an address other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the command; for example, to subscribe "local-list-managers": subscribe list-managers-digest local-list-managers@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "list-managers-digest" in the commands above with "list-managers". Compressed back issues are available for anonymous FTP from FTP.GreatCircle.COM, in pub/list-managers/digest/vNN.nMMM.Z (where "NN" is the volume number, and "MMM" is the issue number). From list-managers-owner Thu Nov 17 20:44:10 1994 Received: (daemon@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) id UAA21387 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:22:36 -0800 Received: from camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu [137.229.18.50]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) with SMTP id UAA21380 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:22:27 -0800 Received: by camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu (NX5.67d/NX3.0M) id AA04823; Thu, 17 Nov 94 19:20:58 -0900 From: John W Redelfs Message-Id: <9411180420.AA04823@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu> Subject: Deleting headers To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:20:57 -0900 (YST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 956 Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I'm running a list remotely by email under Majordomo 1.92 as a "moderated" list where I'm the only one who gets approved. The list is supposed to be read-only, but I want my subscribers to sign on and off automatically. My problem is that the approve program is stripping my banner. He is a sample of my banner which I want at the beginning of every post to the list: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :: Volume #1, Post #13 SAMSBEST, THE EMAIL LIST 17 November 1994 :: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :: SAMSBEST is a read-only, low noise, low traffic list, etc. blah, :: :: blah. Send your submission to: etc., etc. :: ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Now, how do I protect this banner so that it does not get stripped by the approve program? --John W. Redelfs, tsjwr@camelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu From list-managers-owner Fri Nov 18 14:14:15 1994 Received: (daemon@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) id NAA27700 for list-managers-outgoing; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:53:35 -0800 Received: from europe.std.com (root@europe.std.com [192.74.137.10]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) with ESMTP id NAA27695 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:53:31 -0800 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.8.1/Spike-8-1.0) id QAA08418; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 16:52:28 -0500 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA11037; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 16:52:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 16:52:25 +0001 (EST) From: Sharon Shea Subject: looking for server/Boston To: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I'm looking for a place to move my lists to in the Boston (617) area. Can anyone recommend a provider that has majordomo with archiving and digest options? Thanks. -Sharon ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sharon Shea Email:sshea@world.std.com PMPY Communications 72700.557@compuserve.com P.O. Box 79226 Phone:617-782-3226 Waverley, MA 02179 Fax:617-783-9181 From list-managers-owner Mon Nov 21 11:36:49 1994 Received: (daemon@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) id LAA15322 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 11:28:48 -0800 Received: from unixg.ubc.ca (mail.unixg.ubc.ca [137.82.27.14]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) with SMTP id LAA15317 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 11:28:32 -0800 Received: from interchg.ubc.ca by unixg.ubc.ca (4.1/1.14) id AA00227; Mon, 21 Nov 94 11:26:59 PST Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 11:26:59 -0800 (PST) From: Edmund Gin X-Sender: egin@interchg.ubc.ca To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: About cross-referenced lists... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi... Does anyone know if it's possible to have 2 lists refer to each other (ie. be able to send mail to each other's lists) without causing the mail to get bounced back and forth? In fact, has anyone ever tried it? I have a list running right now, but my site is not too stable, so I want to have another list running at another site, but in such a way that both lists can share the same mail, but not have to keep sending the same mail back and forth. Any help is greatly appreciated... Cheers, Ed -- Edmund Gin, egin@unixg.ubc.ca "In life, it matters not what you have received; What really matters is what you have done." --Wong Ka Kui, 1962-1993 "Every time having to bear the feeling of disappointment, The protagonist makes a cold laugh and becomes the author of his story." --"Midnight Blues", Beyond, 1989 From list-managers-owner Mon Nov 21 12:07:04 1994 Received: (daemon@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) id LAA15585 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 11:59:02 -0800 Received: from pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il (pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il [132.64.176.15]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) with SMTP id LAA15578 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 11:58:54 -0800 Received: by pluto.mscc.huji.ac.il (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA60233; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 21:59:36 +0200 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 21:59:36 +0200 (WET) From: Danny Golan To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: About cross-referenced lists... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Mon, 21 Nov 1994, Edmund Gin wrote: > Does anyone know if it's possible to have 2 lists refer to each other > (ie. be able to send mail to each other's lists) without causing the mail > to get bounced back and forth? In fact, has anyone ever tried it? Sharing between 2 list's should work by using a third list. List A sending all messages to list C List B sending all messages to list C List C has all the addresses of both list's A and B now you have list C that shares all messages from A and B without bouncing back and forth. Danny Golan From list-managers-owner Mon Nov 21 12:36:34 1994 Received: (daemon@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) id MAA15715 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:16:52 -0800 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) with SMTP id MAA15710 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:16:45 -0800 Received: from tabaqui (tabaqui.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE) by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-5) id AA14663; Mon, 21 Nov 94 21:14:19 +0100 Received: by tabaqui (4.1/POOL.3) id AA00916; Mon, 21 Nov 94 21:13:30 +0100 Message-Id: <9411212013.AA00916@tabaqui> From: berg@pool.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE (Stephen R. van den Berg) Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 21:13:29 +0100 In-Reply-To: Edmund Gin's message as of 1994 Nov 21 Mon 11:26. To: Edmund Gin Subject: Re: About cross-referenced lists... Cc: list-managers@greatcircle.com Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Edmund Gin wrote: >Does anyone know if it's possible to have 2 lists refer to each other >(ie. be able to send mail to each other's lists) without causing the mail >to get bounced back and forth? In fact, has anyone ever tried it? If both lists are SmartList mailinglists there are no problems at all, simply subscribe one list to the other and vice versa. -- Sincerely, berg@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de Stephen R. van den Berg (AKA BuGless). Confidence is the feeling that you have before you understand the situation. From list-managers-owner Mon Nov 21 13:06:40 1994 Received: (daemon@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) id MAA15976 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:52:20 -0800 Received: from necco.cs.UMD.EDU (necco.cs.umd.edu [128.8.126.48]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) with ESMTP id MAA15970 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:52:11 -0800 Received: by necco.cs.UMD.EDU (8.6.9/UMIACS-0.9/04-05-88) id PAA25370; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 15:50:11 -0500 Message-Id: <199411212050.PAA25370@necco.cs.UMD.EDU> To: Edmund Gin cc: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: About cross-referenced lists... In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 21 Nov 1994 11:26:59 PST." Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 15:50:10 -0500 From: Dabe "Dabe" Murphy Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Mon, Nov 21, egin@unixg.ubc.ca writes: > > Does anyone know if it's possible to have 2 lists refer to each other > (ie. be able to send mail to each other's lists) without causing the mail > to get bounced back and forth? In fact, has anyone ever tried it? The way I do this is to have the following in /etc/aliases (Yes, I'm a sendmail freak): lista:listb listb:bob,joe,fred,lista-members lista-members:mary,jane,sue I guess if they're on the same machine, this could just as easily be done: lista:listb listb::include:/path/to/filea,:include:/path/to/fileb > I have a list running right now, but my site is not too stable, so I want > to have another list running at another site, but in such a way that both > lists can share the same mail, but not have to keep sending the same mail > back and forth. No matter how it's set up, if somebody mails lista@unstable.site.com while said site is down, it'll queue-up/bounce/whatever until the unstable site is back up. If you use the first example above: on unstable.site.com: lista:listb@stable.site.com lista-members:mary,jane,sue on stable.site.com: listb:bob,joe,fred,lista-members@unstable.site.com Then when unstable.site.com is down: mail to lista@unstable.site.com will queue up until it's up. mail to listb@stable.site.com will be delivered to bob,joe,fred and will queue up on stable.site.com until unstable.site.com is back up. > Any help is greatly appreciated... Hope this helps. Dabe -- dabe@cs.umd.edu | Bummed is what you are | Just because I agree with {...}!uunet!mimsy!dabe | When you go out to your | everything my boss says | Car and it's been towed. | doesn't mean he agrees Finger for PGP2.3a Key | "Contact" - Phish | with everything I say. From list-managers-owner Mon Nov 21 18:06:25 1994 Received: (daemon@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) id SAA18483 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 18:01:40 -0800 Received: from hamp.hampshire.edu (newhamp.hampshire.edu [192.33.12.137]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) with SMTP id SAA18478 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 18:01:34 -0800 Received: from family.hampshire.edu by hamp.hampshire.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02531; Mon, 21 Nov 94 21:02:03 EST Received: by family.hampshire.edu (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0r9kWW-0007EzC; Mon, 21 Nov 94 21:00 EST Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 21:00:00 -30000 From: Michelle Murrain Subject: Bouncing messages To: list Managers Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk My lists have generated an inordinate number of bouncing messages, mostly like "connection refused" or "no route to host" on addresses which should really be OK. Any ideas on this one? I'm using smartlist in a linux box. Michelle --------------------------------------------------------------------- Michelle Murrain, Ph.D. email and finger: School of Natural Science mmurrain@family.hampshire.edu Hampshire College mpmNS@hamp.hampshire.edu Amherst, MA 01002 URL: http://www.hampshire.edu/Hampshire/ns/html/Murrain.html "...those of us forged in the crucibles of difference... know that survival is not an academic skill" - Audre Lourde --------------------------------------------------------------------- From list-managers-owner Thu Nov 24 07:01:37 1994 Received: (daemon@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) id GAA22870 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 24 Nov 1994 06:41:30 -0800 Received: from ctrg.rri.uwo.ca (alex.ctrg.rri.uwo.ca [129.100.7.100]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) with SMTP id GAA22865 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 1994 06:41:22 -0800 From: "Jeff Lawrence" Message-Id: <9411241440.AA06276@vega.irus.rri.uwo.ca> Date: Thu, 24 Nov 94 09:40:15 EST To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Strange Question To Ask You Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have written mcb@GreatCircle.COM (Michael C. Berch) and got his permission to post this here but if there are any flames, please -email me at the address below. Thanks! :-) ---------------------------- cut here ---------------------------------- Hello, My name is Jeff Lawrence and I am the maintainer of Kindred Spirits, the electronic mailing list solely dedicated to discussion of the works and life of Lucy Maud Montgomery (LMM), the famous Canadian author of the "Anne Of Green Gables" books among others. we have both academic and non-academic users and the discussions are very lively (about 10-20 posts MAX per day during the week - weekends are pretty dead) At present this list has about 70+ members and growing. Right now the list is manually run but I am trying to automate it and this is where you come in. I had been trying to convince our boss to let us install Majordomo here but he has refused so we must look for another site. At present I am trying to convince the people at the Univ. Of Prince Edward Island (where LMM is from - logical eh? :-) ) to set up a Majordomo but this may or may not happen since their system is fairly loaded. Therefore, for the present I am trying to find a new home for my list. I know that Majordomo allows non-users to manage mail lists without system accounts which is why I wrote to this mailing list. Is there anyone out there who could assist me in my goal of moving the list? I cannot afford to pay a "membership" fee for your site (I'm a student) but I would gladly volunteer some time to help with computer work (whatever) in exchange for being able to run the list. If you cannot help me, then do you know of someone else who might be able to assist me? So if you can help me, would like more information about our list (gladly send you our info :-) ) or want to flame then please write me at : jlaw@irus.rri.uwo.ca Thank you very much for your time! :-) Slainthe!, Jeff "The phone is ringing and the clock says four A.M. / If it's your friends, well I don't want to hear from them / Please leave your number and a message at the tone / Or you can just go on & leave me alone " - "Don't Want To Know If You Are Lonely", Husker Du ** JEFF LAWRENCE (jlaw@irus.rri.uwo.ca) ** Grad Student, Imaging Research Labs, Robarts Research Institute University Of Western Ontario, P.O. Box 5015, 100 Perth Drive London, Ont., CANADA, N6A 5K8 Ph:(519)663-5777 ext. 4028 From list-managers-owner Tue Nov 29 21:36:40 1994 Received: (daemon@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) id VAA04213 for list-managers-outgoing; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 21:17:37 -0800 Received: from webcom.com (webcom.com [165.227.43.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) with ESMTP id MAA22626 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 12:47:39 -0800 Message-Id: <199411282047.MAA22626@miles.greatcircle.com> Received: by webcom.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA107665308; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 12:41:48 -0800 From: Thomas Leavitt Subject: Help! Blank messages from listserv: Majordomo! To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Date: Mon, 28 Nov 94 12:41:48 PST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85.2.1] Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Greetings all. I am facing a mystifying problem, in which significant numbers of subscribers to a list we serve using Majordomo through resend are getting empty messages (headers only). The list is moderated, the moderator is sending messages through resend using the Approval header, he is using Sendmail 8.6.9 on Netcom and sending messages with Elm. We are using the default HP-UX 9.04 Sendmail 5.65 distribution which HP claims has been patched an updated to give a semblance of 8.6.9 functionality. I can provide (extensive) sample headers and a sample message with that same header if anyone has the slightest clue as to what is going on. I would sincerely appreciate any help or clues. Some relatively recognizable sites are involved. Sincerely, Thomas Leavitt -- Web Communications (sm) Thomas Leavitt--leavitt@webcom.com Voice: (408) 457-9671 Lead Systems & Network Admin./Tech Suppt. Web Communications Home Page From list-managers-owner Wed Nov 30 11:34:44 1994 Received: (daemon@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) id LAA19849 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 11:08:17 -0800 Received: from grin.io.org (root@grin.io.org [198.133.36.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) with ESMTP id LAA19844 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 11:08:06 -0800 Received: (from mooseman@localhost) by grin.io.org (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA15691; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:06:45 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:06:40 -0500 (EST) From: mooseman To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: newsgroups via e-mail??? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Is there any way of getting newsgroups via e-mail or setting up a news-to-mail list? \_\_\_____/_/_/ |--------------------------------------------| | mooseman@io.org | ] [ | May the MOOSE be with you! | [_] |--------------------------------------------| From list-managers-owner Wed Nov 30 11:47:06 1994 Received: (daemon@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) id LAA20031 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 11:26:49 -0800 Received: from topcat.bridgew.edu (topcat.bridgew.edu [199.93.64.3]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.6.9/Miles-941015-1) with SMTP id LAA20026 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 11:26:43 -0800 Received: by topcat.bridgew.edu (MX V4.1 VAX) id 1; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:23:57 EST Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:23:57 EST From: Dave Doherty Reply-To: ddoherty@bridgew.edu To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Message-ID: <009883E6.7A1DA6A0.1@topcat.bridgew.edu> Subject: List Policies and guidelines. Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello All, I am trying to develop a policy statement to distribute to faculty members on campus who are being given the ability to run a local list. I was wondering if anyone knows of an encapsulated version of questions such as; What do I do with rude/offensive users? What responsibilities does a list manager have to the recipients? What type of messages should I screen? (Offensive language? Disagreements?) What responsibility does a list manager have to keep the topic on track? How does a list manager keep the topic on track? What should policy be when the list manager leaves? Takes a sabatical? Goes on vacation? I would appreciate opinions or a direction to pursue such research. I thank you for your help. Sincerely David Doherty