From list-managers-owner Wed May 1 05:12:45 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id FAA23035 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 1 May 1996 05:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout12.mail.aol.com (emout12.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.38]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id FAA22992 for ; Wed, 1 May 1996 05:00:02 -0700 (PDT) From: PMDAtropos@aol.com Received: by emout12.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA29741; Wed, 1 May 1996 07:57:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 07:57:51 -0400 Message-ID: <960501075751_482019708@emout12.mail.aol.com> To: spam-l@eva.dc.lsoft.com, list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: Dealing with Spammable Material, 3 May - 14 May 1996 Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I will be out of the country from 3-14 May 1996 and, as such, will be going NOMAIL on these lists. Please direct emergency notifications of e-mail spams to David Jackson, djackson@aol.net, during my absence. David is not subscribed to these lists so he will not see notifications posted here. Lest anyone assume otherwise, AOL does *NOT* support, encourage or endorse Internet abuse. Our legal and security departments have been made aware of the recent spate of "Krazy Kevin" stupidity, and they have been updated with new information after each spam. He *will* be stopped. In the meanwhile, I encourage you (again) to set your lists to permit posting by subscribers only, if your list software has such a setting. It is generally a good policy to adopt for spam prevention. -- __ David B. O'Donnell (atropos@aol.net, PMDAtropos@aol.com) \/ AOL Internet Feedback/Response/Information Team Manager Tel. 703/453-4000 x4255 FAX 703/453-4102 "The spam WWW: http://ifrit.web.aol.com/atropos/ stops here." From list-managers-owner Wed May 1 07:11:41 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id HAA27029 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 1 May 1996 07:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stl-17lssc (STL-17LSSC.ARMY.MIL [150.211.90.52]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id HAA27014 for ; Wed, 1 May 1996 07:01:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605011401.HAA27014@miles.greatcircle.com> Received: by 0.STL-17LSSC.ARMY.MIL id aa04473; 1 May 96 8:55 CDT Date: Wed, 1 May 96 8:50:24 CDT From: Rich Zellich To: list-managers@greatcircle.COM Subject: Krazy Kevin = Kevin Lipsitz? Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Do I understand correctly that "Krazy Kevin" is someone named [Kevin] Lipsitz? If so, a search of two national white-pages directories turned up only one such individual: Kevin J. Lipsitz Belmont Pl Staten Island, NY 10301 (718) 967-1234 Of course, from personal experience, I know that neither of these white pages databases is reliably comprehensive, so there may be other such people with the same name (or with a phone under another name, or just initials, etc.). Cheers, Rich From list-managers-owner Wed May 1 09:14:35 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id JAA06187 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 1 May 1996 09:04:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from j51.com (gorplex.j51.com [199.224.7.51]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id JAA06180 for ; Wed, 1 May 1996 09:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis (pmb28.j51.com [165.254.214.60]) by j51.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id LAA24438; Wed, 1 May 1996 11:59:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960501160314.00744c50@j51.com> X-Sender: genesis@j51.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 12:03:14 -0400 To: Rich Zellich , list-managers@GreatCircle.COM From: Project Genesis Subject: Re: Krazy Kevin = Kevin Lipsitz? Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Congrats - I just called the number, got the tape: "experienced callers may press the * key right now to skip this message. Hi! You've reached Krazy Kevin's place..." OK, we've got him. A previous writer suggested that he's violated the law. True? Any civil liabilities here? It seems like AOL has lost a lot of money and time over this guy... At 08:50 AM 5/1/96 CDT, you wrote: >Do I understand correctly that "Krazy Kevin" is someone named [Kevin] >Lipsitz? If so, a search of two national white-pages directories >turned up only one such individual: > > Kevin J. Lipsitz > Belmont Pl > Staten Island, NY 10301 > (718) 967-1234 > >Of course, from personal experience, I know that neither of these white >pages databases is reliably comprehensive, so there may be other such >people with the same name (or with a phone under another name, or just >initials, etc.). > >Cheers, >Rich > From list-managers-owner Wed May 1 09:26:54 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id JAA06851 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 1 May 1996 09:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from j51.com (j51.com [199.224.7.51]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id JAA06843 for ; Wed, 1 May 1996 09:13:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis (pmb28.j51.com [165.254.214.60]) by j51.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA24777 for ; Wed, 1 May 1996 12:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960501161454.007460b8@j51.com> X-Sender: genesis@j51.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 12:14:54 -0400 To: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM From: Project Genesis Subject: Paydirt Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I didn't listen to the end of the message. Guess what he leaves on the tape? krazykev@kjl.com Let's be honest. We don't want to attempt legal action - either variety - when we can solve the problem ourselves. Let's warn him first, and then pursue more convincing means if necessary. Anyone want to write the warning? whois kjl.com Kevin Jay Lipsitz (KJL-DOM) PO Box 120990 Staten Island, NY 10312-0990 USA Domain Name: KJL.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Lipsitz, Kevin Jay (KJL2) krazykev@KJL.COM 718-967-1234 Record last updated on 30-Apr-96. Record created on 20-Apr-95. Domain servers in listed order: ESCAPE.COM 198.6.71.10 FREE.ESCAPE.COM 198.6.71.13 The InterNIC Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet Information (Networks, ASN's, Domains, and POC's). 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From list-managers-owner Wed May 1 09:56:30 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id JAA10902 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 1 May 1996 09:50:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.hamjudo.com (router.hamjudo.com [152.160.58.254]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id JAA10881 for ; Wed, 1 May 1996 09:50:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from paulh@localhost) by www.hamjudo.com (8.7.1/8.7.1) id MAA14855; Wed, 1 May 1996 12:48:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 1 May 1996 12:48:31 -0400 (EDTO) From: Paul Haas To: Project Genesis cc: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Paydirt In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960501161454.007460b8@j51.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 1 May 1996, Project Genesis wrote: > Let's be honest. We don't want to attempt legal action - either variety - > when we can solve the problem ourselves. Let's warn him first, and then > pursue more convincing means if necessary. Anyone want to write the warning? Don't speak for me. I do want to help pursue legal action. I'll happily donate $20 to the "AOL legal offense fund", if they choose to set one up. If they want friend of the court briefs, I'll help write one. If we go and physically beat him up, we can't tell anyone or we go to jail. So the next spammer won't learn. If we use legal action, we can tell the world. The magazine spammer is indirectly working for large companies to sell their magazine subscriptions. Large corporations respond to legal action. Once we have a successfull test case, we can say to Hearst corporation, "someone is using illegal means to sell your products, please help us shut him down". -- Paul Haas, paulh@hamjudo.com From list-managers-owner Wed May 1 10:59:09 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id KAA17255 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 1 May 1996 10:53:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lokkur.dexter.mi.us (lokkur.dexter.mi.us [148.59.2.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id KAA17249 for ; Wed, 1 May 1996 10:53:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from scs@localhost) by lokkur.dexter.mi.us (8.7.5/8.7.5/lokkur-1.1-scs) id NAA26797; Wed, 1 May 1996 13:49:46 -0400 (EDT) To: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Path: lokkur.dexter.mi.us!not-for-mail From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) Newsgroups: local.list-managers Subject: Re: Paydirt Date: 1 May 1996 13:49:46 -0400 Organization: Inland Sea Lines: 18 Distribution: local Message-ID: <4m887q$q5a@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> References: X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 CURRENT #2 Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Paul Haas writes: >Don't speak for me. I do want to help pursue legal action. I'll happily >donate $20 to the "AOL legal offense fund", if they choose to set one up. >If they want friend of the court briefs, I'll help write one. . . . >The magazine spammer is indirectly working for large companies to sell >their magazine subscriptions. Large corporations respond to legal >action. Once we have a successfull test case, we can say to Hearst >corporation, "someone is using illegal means to sell your products, >please help us shut him down". And those companies do listen, even if legal action is not threatened. How about we make a form letter, spam our own lists with it, and ask the members to print it and snail-mail it back to the companies? -- "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine." RFC-1925 From list-managers-owner Wed May 1 18:26:27 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id SAA20574 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 1 May 1996 18:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from e55.webcom.com (e55.webcom.com [206.2.192.66]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id SAA20568 for ; Wed, 1 May 1996 18:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605020116.SAA20568@miles.greatcircle.com> Received: by e55.webcom.com (1.37.109.15/16.2) id AA255889717; Wed, 1 May 1996 18:15:17 -0700 From: Thomas Leavitt Subject: FYI - Krazy Kevin's effect. To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Date: Wed, 01 May 1996 18:15:17 PDT X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.14] Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > > We will be changing certain policies relating to > e-mail, and in particular, e-mail mailing lists this > Friday, May 3, 1996. These changes should have > minimal impact on list members but you should be > aware of their occurence as they may impact your > ability to post from different machines. > > Effective immediately, e-mail with a size greater > than 1000KB will be held for approval before being > delivered or forwarded. > > Effective immediately, e-mail to multiple recipients > greater than 4Kb will be held for approval before > being delivered or forwarded. > > Effective 960503-20:00EDT only list subscribers may > post to a list. This means that if you change e-mail > addresses during the day (you subcribed from home but > you occasionally post from work) then any message > sent from the non-subscribed address will be bounced. > > You are hopefully unaware of the activities of one > Mr. Kevin Lipstiz of Staten Island, NY. This person > is responsible for the Krazy Kevin magazine > subscription spam. If you don't know what spam is, > count your blessings. To minimize the chances that > this material will be inflicted upon our list > subscribers we are making these administrative > changes. > > Note that anyone can still subscribe to any list, > unless the list moderators have choosen to require > their approval before permitting subscriptions. Also > note that list subscribers should be able to post in > their usual way without anyother restriction. > > If you have any questions or comments arrising out of > this matter please contact me directly. > > Regards, > -- > James B. Byrne mailto:byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca > Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca > Hamilton, Ontario 905-561-1241 > > > -- Web Communications (sm) Thomas Leavitt--leavitt@webcom.com Voice: (408) 457-9671 x101 Vice President Web Communications Home Page From list-managers-owner Thu May 2 02:41:33 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id CAA14236 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 2 May 1996 02:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oznet16.ozemail.com.au (oznet16.ozemail.com.au [203.2.192.109]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id CAA14220 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 02:40:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oznet02.ozemail.com.au (oznet02.ozemail.com.au [203.2.192.124]) by oznet16.ozemail.com.au (8.7.1/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA03671 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 19:38:00 +1000 (EST) Received: from slsyd8p28.ozemail.com.au (slsyd8p28.ozemail.com.au [203.22.157.116]) by oznet02.ozemail.com.au (8.7.4/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA10041 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 19:37:58 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19960502112720.411ffb2a@203.2.192.124> X-Sender: helmant@203.2.192.124 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 02 May 1996 19:39:36 -1000 To: list-managers-digest@GreatCircle.COM From: Tony Helman Subject: Learning to administer a majordomo mailing list Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have just become a list-administrator for a majordomo mailing list. Is there any material available on the Internet which can help explain how to do my job? I got the standard file with the set of commands and syntax, but this is hardly user-friendly. Kind regards, Dr.Tony Helman From list-managers-owner Thu May 2 07:01:38 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id GAA24297 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 2 May 1996 06:48:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from park.interport.net (park.interport.net [199.184.165.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id GAA24289 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 06:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from interport.net (wfrench@madison.nfs.interport.net [205.161.144.1]) by park.interport.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id JAA01577 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 09:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from wfrench@localhost) by interport.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA17108 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Thu, 2 May 1996 09:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 09:46:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Will French Message-Id: <199605021346.JAA17108@interport.net> To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: TULP 4.0.1 Mailing List Manager Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Seen on comp.os.linux.announce: > From: Steven Kirby > Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.announce > Subject: TULP 4.0.1 Mailing List Manager > Date: Tue, 01 May 1996 11:37:32 GMT > Lines: 52 > Message-ID: > X-Original-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 1996 19:57:16 -0400 (EDT) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- I've uploaded a binary copy and source code for TULP 4.1.0 to tsx-11.mit.edu. TULP is a clone of the popular BITNET listserv program that runs on *NIX systems, including Linux. We've been using TULP in our shop for about a month now to manage several high-traffic lists, and we've been very pleased with both its performance and ease of configuration. TULP runs as a daemon, so it does consume some system resources (about the same as an idle bash login), even when it's not processing mail. On the other hand, TULP doesn't have to be started and restarted for each incoming mail message (as does, for example, the deservedly popular Majordomo mailing list manager). By running as a daemon, TULP offers the prospect of significant performance gains for sites that manage large and/or active mailing lists. Christophe Wolfhugel (Christophe.Wolfhugel@univ-lyon1.fr) is the principal author of TULP, with assistance from Kimmo Suominen (Kimmo.Suominen@lut.fi). The program is distributed under terms of the GNU Public License, and should be considered "mature" (i.e., at last report, no new development efforts are planned). I'll be glad to answer as many Linux-specific questions about TULP as I can, but those probably will be relatively few and far between. My upload of TULP 4.1.0 is available at ftp://tsx-11.mit.edu/pub/linux/sources/sbin/tulp-4.1.0.tar.gz Enjoy! - --steve Steven Kirby COSMIC, NASA's Software Technology Transfer Center (http://www.cosmic.uga.edu) kirby@cosmic.uga.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2i iQCVAwUBMYdMxYQRll5MupLRAQG/IQP8C7TTxATm0XUDxStLm3+GfobISAYIjT/u PIsvJEV0DTLZB4pt24SPl7qlcJvCvhuuvTBPoHzc5xveZ32e8x7eL2UOGZDlfSmC P/gRZLP8TXI0p5rTLCvh6uoh94JmzYeddCJXQlvQm3qu4tLRwOf77NUeBrq0cCyz Tgmx0WTa1AU= =bz6N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- This article has been digitally signed by the moderator, using PGP. Finger wirzeniu@kruuna.helsinki.fi for PGP key needed for validating signature. Send submissions for comp.os.linux.announce to: linux-announce@news.ornl.gov PLEASE remember a short description of the software and the LOCATION. From list-managers-owner Thu May 2 20:26:39 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id UAA19116 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 2 May 1996 20:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pacs01.infoave.net (pacs01.InfoAve.Net [165.166.0.11]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id UAA19103 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 20:12:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from augusta.net.sunbelt.net (dial-8.r1.gaagst.InfoAve.Net) by InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.0-5 #4800) id <01I48X19IAWG8X0ILD@InfoAve.Net> for list-managers@GreatCircle.com; Thu, 02 May 1996 23:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 23 Apr 1996 23:00:46 -0400 From: AJSOU812 Subject: list To: list-managers@GreatCircle.com Message-id: <317D995E.225F@augusta.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk list From list-managers-owner Thu May 2 20:29:56 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id UAA19178 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 2 May 1996 20:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcomsv.netcom.com (uucp4.netcom.com [163.179.3.4]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id UAA19172 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 20:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Wattles.UUCP by netcomsv.netcom.com with UUCP (8.6.12/SMI-4.1) id UAA06597; Thu, 2 May 1996 20:02:54 -0700 Received: by Wattles Information Network id 1AA4 2 May 96 19:58:18 PDT From: jim.rems@wattles.com Message-ID: <0000000400001AA4@wattles.com> Organization: Wattles Information Network X-Mailer: TSX-BBS Date: 2 May 96 19:58:18 PDT Subject: Pricing Private Mailing Lists To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I'm looking to compare costs for mailing list services from third party vendors. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. -- Jim Jacob F. 'Jim' Rems * Publisher * Wattles Publications Publishers of Books for Civil Engineers and Land Surveyors -------------------------------------------------------------- Voice: (714)832-5711 * Fax: (714)832-4169 * BBS: (714)832-7916 jfrems@wattles.com -+- info@wattles.com From list-managers-owner Fri May 3 08:56:47 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id IAA27497 for list-managers-outgoing; Fri, 3 May 1996 08:44:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hahp9k.harte-lyne.ca (hahp9k.harte-lyne.ca [205.206.207.101]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id IAA27481 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 08:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hal-ham-g01-u01 (i486nt01.harte-lyne.ca [205.206.207.103]) by hahp9k.harte-lyne.ca (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id LAA23877 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 11:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <318A2B60.4DEF@harte-lyne.ca> Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 11:50:56 -0400 From: "James B. Byrne" Organization: Harte & Lyne Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List - Mailing List Managers Subject: Re: 22nd Century Marketing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk FYI The following is the written reply that I received from iStar, the network service provider for the ISP that hosted 22nd Century. They also happen to be my network provider as well. The staff at iStar were extremely co-operative in this manner and contacted me daily regarding the progress of their inquiries. -- James B. Byrne mailto:byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca Hamilton, Ontario 905-561-1241 Subject: Re: 22nd Century Marketing Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 11:00:19 -0500 From: Douglas Denny To: byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca ------- Forwarded Message Replied: Fri, 03 May 1996 09:17:59 -0500 Replied: Matthew McNaughton Replied: mike.digdon@istar.ca Received: from spade.wimsey.com ([204.191.160.1]) by nds.netsvc.istar.ca with ESMTP id <5918-29995>; Thu, 2 May 1996 18:10:50 -0500 Received: by spade.wimsey.com (Smail-3.1.92 #14) id m0uF6Yr-000BVIC; Thu, 2 May 96 15:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from istar.ca [204.191.136.4] by spade.wimsey.com with esmtp (Smail-3.1.92 #14) id m0uF6Yq-000BVBC; Thu, 2 May 96 15:09:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nisku.blackgold.ab.ca (nisku.blackgold.ab.ca [198.53.152.12]) by istar.ca (8.7.3/8.7) with ESMTP id SAA26592 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 18:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp15.blackgold.ab.ca (ppp15.blackgold.ab.ca [198.53.152.126]) by nisku.blackgold.ab.ca (8.7.5/8.7.1) with SMTP id QAA29812 for ; Thu, 2 May 1996 16:13:33 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 2 May 1996 16:13:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199605022213.QAA29812@nisku.blackgold.ab.ca> X-Sender: mmcnaugh@tnc.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Doug.Denny@istar.ca From: Matthew McNaughton Subject: Re: 22nd Century Marketing X-Filter: mailagent [version 3.0 PL31] for denny@nds.netsvc.istar.ca Hello, I am post/hostmaster at this site. This 22nd Century Marketing fellow was a customer of ours until he started posting inappropriate advertisements to Usenet. I don't know whether he did the same to any mailing lists, but in any case he incurred the wrath of someone who subscribed his id to dozens of mailing lists, which clogged our system. His account has been shut down and we don't intend to do business with him anymore. We understand we are not the first ISP he has done this to, and I fear we may not be the last. In any case, no more crimes should be forthcoming from this fellow. (at least not under the auspices of a connection from us) Thanks for your concern, and we apologize for any inconvenience this man may have caused you and those who complained about him. If you have any further questions, I would be (more or less) pleased to answer them. Matthew McNaughton Chief Technical Potentate The Network Centre At 01:59 PM 5/2/96 -0500, you wrote: >Hello > > I am Douglas Denny of iSTAR internet network support. We have >recieved a couple of complaints regarding 22nd Century Marketing. >These complaints regard subscribing to certain mailing lists and >newsgroups and spamming them. Please let me know if you can shed > some light on this. > >-Doug > >-- >Douglas Denny >Network Support Specialist > >iSTAR internet inc. > >direct-assist@iSTAR.ca +1 800 iSTAR Support > >mailto:Douglas.Denny@iSTAR.ca +1 613 780-2215 >http://www.istar.ca > > >Irony: The deaf mute who figures out the meaning of life >- ----------------------------------------------------------------- TNC The Network Centre Ltd. Internetworking Consultants & Service Providers +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ http://www.tnc.com Matthew McNaughton #212 - 10509 81 Avenue Elite Technical Edmonton, Alberta, Canada T6E 1X7 Strike Force Commando Voice: (403)448-1290 mmcnaugh@tnc.com Fax: (403)944-0233 - ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Do not ask for whom the pager beeps, it beeps for thee." ------- End of Forwarded Message From list-managers-owner Fri May 3 11:27:32 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id LAA12225 for list-managers-outgoing; Fri, 3 May 1996 11:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pnl.gov (relay.pnl.gov [130.20.20.36]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id LAA12205 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 11:24:23 -0700 (PDT) From: js_dukelow@ccmail.pnl.gov Received: from ccmail.pnl.gov by pnl.gov (PMDF V4.3-13 #6012) id <01I49MSGV2WW8WVYND@pnl.gov>; Fri, 03 May 1996 11:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 11:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [<-Dummies Wanted->] To: list-managers-digest@GreatCircle.COM Message-id: <01I49MSKC2CU8WVYND@pnl.gov> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 03 May 1996 11:14 -0700 (PDT) From: js_dukelow@ccmail.pnl.gov Subject: [<-Dummies Wanted->] To: GetTheDumb@aol.com Cc: djackson@aol.net, PDMAtropos@aol.com MIME-version: 1.0 MIME-version: 1.0 Here is an approach to spammers that might be worth trying. I also copied the message to the ISP, which in this case was AOL. Best regards. Jim Dukelow Pacific Northwest National Laboratory Richland, WA js_dukelow@pnl.gov ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: [<-Dummies Wanted->] Author: James S Jr Dukelow at ~PNL5 Date: 5/3/96 11:14 AM I am not interested in receiving from you spam like the forwarded message. I work for a national laboratory. Our computer systems are owned by the federal government and are, by federal law, to be used only in the conduct of laboratory business. By sending me this mail unrelated to laboratory business, you are violating this law. Indeed, if you sent the mail to other addressees in the .gov domain, you violated the law multiple times. I suspect similar laws govern the use of computer systems at a number of educational institutions. Thus, you are not only flouting Internet etiquette, you are breaking the law. If I receive additional mail of this nature from you, I will contact our legal department. Jim Dukelow Pacific Northwest National Laboratory Richland, WA ______________________________ Forward Header __________________________________ Subject: [<-Dummies Wanted->] Author: GetTheDumb@aol.com at -SMTPlink Date: 5/2/96 10:53 PM Dummy? Doesn't seem like a very wise choice for a name, when you are trying to jump right into the investment world. For years, self-proclaimed financial experts have tried their best to sell customers on their Wisdom. It may be the avuncular smile, pinstripe suit, the advertising jingle, or the firm handshake; your money manager, financial planner, or broker has striven for the image that smacks intelligence, success, respectability, experience-in one word, Wisdom. And for years, those "experts" have been making money off of Dummies. You know about Dummies. At one point, you may have been a Dummy yourself. Have you ever listened to a salesman on the phone and after a while, actually thought that the voice-activated vacuum cleaner he was trying to sell you actually made sense? You were being a Dummy. Or what about that time, when you bought shares of World Dashed Hopes Fund just because your broker told you that it was the top performer in its category over the past five years? Terribly, terribly Dumb. Basking on the excesses brought about by this Dumb "stuff", the financial establishments hadn't banked on one thing....the day when the tables might turn when some of us Dummies (yes....a capital D) actually showed up. Well, the staff members of The Daily Dummy believe that we are the Dummies that have showed up. The Daily Dumy is the greatest thing since sliced cyberspace. When was the last time that you saw a newsletter that came to you everyday at lunch, and in the evening? The Daily Dummy is the rightful heir to Investor's Business Daily, AND the future must-read of every successful investor. After all it is written by all of us. That's right, a financial newsletter that doesn't TELL you what to do with your money, but instead offers the collective wisdom and wit of our readers....the biggest investment club in the universe (We at Dumb Head Quarters might say "on the planet," but why think so small?) You say you'd like to SEE the thing first? No prob. To get a free week's subscription, e-mail "DailyDummy@aol.com" asking for a free trial. Then you can read it, print it out, and race right back here to sign up. OK, OK, we're kidding--pass it around to all your friends first, get them to sign up, THEN race right back here to sign up. Hey, because we at Dummy HQ like you so much, we'll also send you two weeks of Investor's Business Daily absolutely FREE when you subscribe. We'll also send you our thirteen steps to becoming a Dummy, and the Dumb Investment Guide. Subscription rates for electronic delivery are as follows: Year billing: $31.20 ($0.12 an issue) Bi-Year Billing: $52.00 ($0.10 an issue) Allow about two days for processing. (You can't tell, since all of this was just in print, but it was actually spoken in a voice that sounded suspiciously like James Earl Jones's.) Keep it Dumb! :D From list-managers-owner Sat May 4 13:26:36 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id NAA01847 for list-managers-outgoing; Sat, 4 May 1996 13:25:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from antares.mcs.anl.gov (mcs.anl.gov [140.221.9.6]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id NAA01841 for ; Sat, 4 May 1996 13:25:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mcs.anl.gov (spooky.mcs.anl.gov [140.221.3.7]) by antares.mcs.anl.gov (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id PAA00148 for ; Sat, 4 May 1996 15:23:25 -0500 Message-Id: <199605042023.PAA00148@antares.mcs.anl.gov> To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: more spammers from aol. (Jeanchev@aol.com) Date: Sat, 04 May 1996 15:23:25 -0500 From: Gene Rackow Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk FYI warning. For some reason the midwest-dod list apepars to be on the top of their list list. We get these every time a spammer starts up. Even those that Brad shuts down early. ;-( It's not going to the list are the resend process nabbed it. Still.. --Gene ------- Forwarded Message >From midwest-dod-human Sat May 4 14:51:16 1996 Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com (emout07.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.22]) by antares.mcs.anl.gov (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id OAA29883 for ; Sat, 4 May 1996 14:51:15 -0500 From: Jeanchev@aol.com Received: by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA23761; Sat, 4 May 1996 15:36:55 -0400 Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 15:36:55 -0400 Message-ID: <960504153652_287142900@emout07.mail.aol.com> Subject: CRaZy Complimentary Offer........ Apparently-To: - --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: CRaZy Complimentary Offer........ Date: 96-05-04 14:44:00 EDT From: Jeanchev To: free_offer_news.reflector@usenet.vax1.zer2.co.np ........spamm trash......... Sincerely, Jean Chevalier ------- End of Forwarded Message From list-managers-owner Sat May 4 13:41:37 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id NAA02082 for list-managers-outgoing; Sat, 4 May 1996 13:38:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcomsv.netcom.com (uumail3.netcom.com [163.179.3.53]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id NAA02076 for ; Sat, 4 May 1996 13:38:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from znyx.com by netcomsv.netcom.com with SMTP (8.6.12/SMI-4.1) id NAA02262; Sat, 4 May 1996 13:36:06 -0700 Received: from alan.znyx.com by znyx.com (5.65/1.35) id AA18518; Sat, 4 May 96 12:46:44 -0700 Date: Sat, 4 May 96 12:46:44 -0700 Message-Id: <9605041946.AA18518@znyx.com> X-Sender: alan@znyx.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM From: Alan Deikman Subject: Here we go again..... Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Just as I said, AOL's attemts to stop the spamming don't even seem to have slowed it down. This just in -- and yes I sent it to abuse@aol.com. Good luck, David. I hope your management is listening. >From Jeanchev@aol.com Sat May 4 11:49:24 1996 >Received: from emout15.mx.aol.com by znyx.com (5.65/1.35) > id AA17964; Sat, 4 May 96 11:49:24 -0700 >Received: by emout15.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA24196; Sat, 4 May 1996 1 >5:37:15 -0400 >Date: Sat, 4 May 1996 15:37:15 -0400 >From: Jeanchev@aol.com >Message-Id: <960504153714_287143044@emout15.mail.aol.com> >Subject: CRaZy Complimentary Offer........ >Apparently-To: > > >--------------------- >Forwarded message: >Subj: CRaZy Complimentary Offer........ >Date: 96-05-04 14:44:00 EDT >From: Jeanchev > >To: free_offer_news.reflector@usenet.vax1.zer2.co.np > -------------------------------- Alan Deikman, ZNYX Corporation alan@znyx.com From list-managers-owner Sat May 4 17:56:45 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id RAA27122 for list-managers-outgoing; Sat, 4 May 1996 17:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from server.postmodern.com (server.postmodern.com [199.172.54.54]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id RAA27098 for ; Sat, 4 May 1996 17:45:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 199.172.54.51 (derrida.postmodern.com [199.172.54.51]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with SMTP id RAA11352; Sat, 4 May 1996 17:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <318BF98C.537E@postmodern.com> Date: Sat, 04 May 1996 17:42:52 -0700 From: "Michael C. Berch" Reply-To: mcb@postmodern.com Organization: INFOBAHN Magazine / Postmodern Communications, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3 (Macintosh; I; 68K) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: list-managers@greatcircle.com, Spam List Subject: [Fwd: Subscription forgery by 104460.1737@compuserve.com?] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------1DBC289016E8" Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1DBC289016E8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Whoops -- meant to forward this yesterday; be on the lookout for this address (104460.1737@compuserve.com). No response yet from CIS. Michael --------------1DBC289016E8 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.34]) by server.postmodern.com (8.7.4/mcb-960422) with ESMTP id PAA04461 for ; Fri, 3 May 1996 15:14:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) id PAA07022; Fri, 3 May 1996 15:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605032209.PAA07022@miles.greatcircle.com> From: mcb@GreatCircle.COM (Michael C. Berch) Date: Fri, 3 May 1996 15:09:56 +0000 X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: postmaster@compuserve.com, abuse@compuserve.com Subject: Subscription forgery by 104460.1737@compuserve.com? Cc: postmaster@alli.wnyric.org, postmaster@bigvax.alfred.edu On April 30, your user 104460.1737@compuserve.com (or possibly someone forging that return address) sent 162 subscribe requests to our Majordomo (mailing list manager) server, attempting to subscribe a number of addresses in the domain alli.wnyric.org to all the mailing lists hosted here. Later, the same user sent 18 requests attempting to subscribe the address Fiskpe@bigvax.alfred.edu to all the lists here. Please advise your user to cease this attempt to interfere with the operation of our mailing lists, which serve a large number of Internet users. If he/she claims that these requests are legitimate, please provide confirmation from the individual requestors as we will not honor a mass subscription request. (FYI -- alli.wnyric.org & bigvax.alfred.edu postmasters.) Regards, -- Michael C. Berch Postmaster and List Manager, Great Circle Associates mcb@greatcircle.com --------------1DBC289016E8-- From list-managers-owner Sun May 5 02:26:45 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id CAA02438 for list-managers-outgoing; Sun, 5 May 1996 02:15:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.his.com (mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id CAA02425 for ; Sun, 5 May 1996 02:15:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brad.his.com (brad.his.com [205.177.25.174]) by mail.his.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id FAA06947; Sun, 5 May 1996 05:12:52 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199605042023.PAA00148@antares.mcs.anl.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 03:02:21 -0400 To: Gene Rackow , list-managers@greatcircle.com From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: more spammers from aol. (Jeanchev@aol.com) Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 3:23 PM -0500 5/4/96, Gene Rackow wrote: > FYI warning. For some reason the midwest-dod list apepars to > be on the top of their list list. We get these every time > a spammer starts up. Even those that Brad shuts down early. ;-( > It's not going to the list are the resend process nabbed it. > Still.. Actually, David O'Donnell is our Postmaster, and his group is the one that deletes AOL users as soon as they are discovered to be abusing the 'net. The Mail Operations group (the one I'm in) handles the daily care and feeding of our Internet Mail Gateways, as well as being in the process taking over those same functions for a couple of other related domains. And David has been subscribed to this list longer than I have (I've even unsubscribed from work since I can't keep up there, and resubscribed at home, where I've actually got better tools to deal with the fact that I can't possibly keep up here, either). -- Brad Knowles, MIME/PGP: brad@his.com comp.mail.sendmail FAQ Maintainer finger brad@his.com for my PGP Public Keys and Geek Code The comp.mail.sendmail FAQ is at From list-managers-owner Sun May 5 10:41:44 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id KAA16355 for list-managers-outgoing; Sun, 5 May 1996 10:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from iquest.net (iquest4.iquest.net [206.27.192.100]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA16339 for ; Sun, 5 May 1996 10:32:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ind-006-236-242.iquest.net by iquest.net with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0uG7a7-004917C; Sun, 5 May 96 12:26 EST Message-Id: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Amy Stinson" Organization: Amy's Answers (to what?) To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Date: Sun, 5 May 1996 12:31:46 -0500 Subject: (Fwd) Re: GET ME OFF THIS LIST! Reply-to: amys@iquest.net X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.30) Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I don't know if this guy made this up himself, but *I* found it to be humorous and thought a few of you might enjoy it... ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- At 06:26 PM 4/13/96 GMT, techytom@pobox.com wrote: >To all who are not in charge of these lists ... DELETE THIS. > >To the people in charge of subscriptions, > >I've tried with no success for 2 weeks, now to get OFF your mailing >lists. AND NO ONE ANSWERED ME! > >I'm really tired, but the administrators of these lists are ignoring >all my messages. So, one last time, I say PLEASE. But to hopefully >to get some admin attention > >GET ME OFF THIS LIST!! GET ME OFF THIS LIST!! GET ME OFF THIS >LIST!! GET ME OFF THIS LIST!! GET ME OFF THIS LIST!! GET ME OFF >THIS LIST!! Dear [ ] sir [X] clueless one [ ] twit [ ] great man on campus [ ] madam [ ] dweeb [ ] twerp [ ] comrade [ ] Elvis [ ] moon beam [ ] boor [ ] Obergruppenfuehrer [ ] citoyen [ ] Geek [ ] grad student [ ] cur [ ]Republican [ ] Democrat [ ] Liberal [ ] Conservative [ ]Communist [ ] Dilbert [ ] Dogbert [ ] Ratbert You are being gently flamed because: [X] you sent a please remove me from the list message to the list rather than the list-sever [ ] you continued a boring useless stupid thread [ ] you repeatedly posted to the same thread that you just posted to [ ] you repeatedly initiated incoherent, flaky, and mindless threads [ ] you posted a piece riddled with profanities [ ] you advocated Net censorship [X] you SCREAMED! (used all caps) [ ] you posted some sort of crap that doesn't belong in this group [ ] you posted the inanely stupid 'Make Money Fast' article [ ] you posted the inanely stupid '$250 Cookie Recipe' article [ ] you posted an inanely stupid magic-weight loss article [ ] you posted an inanely stupid cheap s**t at high prices article [ ] you posted an inanely stupid'Fix Your Credit' article [ ] you posted an inanely stupid "Good Time Virus" warning. [ ] you threatened others with physical harm [ ] you made a bigoted statement(s) [ ] you repeatedly assumed unwarranted moral or intellectual superiority [ ] you are under the misapprehension that this group is your preserve [ ] you repeatedly have shown lack of humor [ ] you are apparently under compulsion to post to every thread [ ] you are posting an anonymous attack [ ] you responded to an obvious troll [ ] you posted an obvious troll [ ] you have a sig that is more than 5 lines long [ ] you have a sig with more than 4 lines of ASCII graphics [ ] you assumed that AOL/CIS/Prodigy founded the Internet [ ] you neglected to do research on the chosen subject [ ] you asked a question that was covered in the available FAQ [ ] you redundantly covered the same point over and over [ ] you assumed that the Internet is a U.S. only phenomenon [ ] you crossposted excessively [ ] you, in any way, make, shape, or form, agreed with Senator Exon [ ] you posted the Good Times virus spread by e-mail message [ ] you used long lines, i.e. you didn't break up your lines after 60-70 characters, thereby making it hard to quote your post. [ ] You posted a request to send business/get well cards to a little boy with cancer who is trying to break the guiness book record. [ ] Over 90% of your post was quoted from a previous post. [ ] Over 90% of your post was quoted from a previous post and your addition was "I agree" or "Me too." [ ] Barged into a quiet little news group/IRC channel/MUD/whatever and started stinking up the place just because you read an article about the news group/IRC channel/MUD/whatever in some magazine. [ ] Repeatedly requested info on where to find XXX stuff. [ ] Repeatedly harassed people with androgynous names like Chris, Jamie, or Rajhatmalhaban, with "Are you a girl?" or "M/F?" questions. [ ] you, in any way, make shape, or form, used the term(s) [ ] "infobahn" [ ] "Neutopia" [ ] "synergy" [ ] "warez" [ ] "SUX" [ ] "wymyn" [ ] "ROOLZ" [ ] KEWL/KOOL/K0oL [ ] "information superhighway" [ ] Other annoying term: [ ] you discussed the following in a non-nutcase newsgroup; [ ] hollow earth theory [ ] alien President theory [ ] orbital mind control frisbees [ ] faith healing [ ] government weather control [ ] Russian psychics [ ] Squeaky Fromme [ ] the nation of France [ ] robot spy bees [ ] sexually promiscuous space aliens [ ] "Manos, the Hands of Fate" [ ] Other: [ ] you considered the following to be reliable reference sources; [ ] Golden Books' "Exploring Science", printed 1955 [ ] Any program covered by Talk Soup [ ] SNL News [ ] Oliver Stone [ ] Hard Copy [ ] Inside Edition [ ] The National Enquirer [ ] The Sun [ ] NY Post [ ] The Union Leader [ ] Pravda [ ] OMNI Magazine [ ] Company Marketing Hype [ ] Microsoft [ ] The Simpsons [ ] An unidentified, but obviously stupid, person or publication [ ] Other: In the future, you may wish to; [X] do not delete the "welcome to the list" message you recieved when you joined [ ] allow boring and useless threads to die [ ] remember that not all newsreaders are threaded [ ] recall that there are academic and commercial users on the net [ ] remember that the Internet is multinational [ ] consider that others may know more about certain subjects than you [X] exercise some humility [ ] be careful of where you are crossposting to [ ] 'lurk' without posting for a few days to learn the forum of a group [ ] take personal discussions or stupid/boring threads to email [X] get used to being mocked [ ] stop volunteering for Armed Forces pharmeceutical experiments [X] join your people on your planet of origin [ ] remove the pipe from your nether regions [ ] buy a nice firey lakefront plot in the Hell you so richly deserve I would like like to suggest that, for the common good, you; [ ] wait at least two hours before responding to another post [ ] read the FAQ (frequently asked questions) list for the group [ ] learn to use the 'kill' command to eliminate erroneous posts [ ] post only to alt.dev.null [ ] selectively respond to threads after reading all new messages in that thread [X] voluntarily apologize in a brief post [X] shop for clues at a better clue shop [ ] no longer contribute to this newsgroup [ ] no longer contribute to any newsgroup [ ] no longer contribute to the gene pool [X] look into the possibility of medication for the above problems [ ] familiarize yourself with the history of the Internet [X] familiarize yourself with the concept of: [X] patience [X] tolerance [ ] caution [X] common courtesy [ ] succinctness [ ] vocabulary [ ] higher brain functions [ ] Other: Please save this message and review it occasionally to determine your progress toward being; [ ] a useful member of Internet society [X] a less annoying member of Internet society [ ] a human being [ ] a fully-functional human being [ ] a tolerable poster [ ] integrated into humanity [ ] re-integrated into the wild [ ] Other: Thank you for taking the time to read this form flame. John A. Gunterman Quality is Job 1.01 O- Amy Stinson email: amys@iquest.net Home Page: http://www.iquest.net/~amys From list-managers-owner Wed May 8 14:12:11 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id OAA27724 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 8 May 1996 14:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcomsv.netcom.com (uumail4.netcom.com [163.179.3.54]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id OAA27718 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 14:01:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from znyx.com by netcomsv.netcom.com with SMTP (8.6.12/SMI-4.1) id NAA21620; Wed, 8 May 1996 13:59:21 -0700 Received: from alan.znyx.com by znyx.com (5.65/1.35) id AA16045; Wed, 8 May 96 13:09:37 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 May 96 13:09:37 -0700 Message-Id: <9605082009.AA16045@znyx.com> X-Sender: alan@znyx.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM From: Alan Deikman Subject: It's a clear day today. Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Well, I've gone for a whole 72 hours without a SPAM from KK. Did AOL manage to squelch him or is this somehow the calm before the storm? -------------------------------- Alan Deikman, ZNYX Corporation alan@znyx.com From list-managers-owner Wed May 8 14:34:04 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id OAA29639 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 8 May 1996 14:26:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from idyllmtn.com (ayla.idyllmtn.com [206.16.238.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id OAA29563 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 14:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from valor.idyllmtn.com by idyllmtn.com (8.6.8/Idyllmtn) id OAA21549; Wed, 8 May 1996 14:22:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199605082122.OAA21549@idyllmtn.com> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Kynn Bartlett" Organization: Idyll Mountain Internet To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 14:26:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: It's a clear day today. Reply-to: kynn@idyllmtn.com X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.23) Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Alan Deikman wrote: > Well, I've gone for a whole 72 hours without a SPAM from KK. Did > AOL manage to squelch him or is this somehow the calm before the > storm? He's up to something. I can feel it in my bones... -- /\ /\ /\ /\ Kynn Bartlett / kynn@idyllmtn.com / \ / \/ \ / \ Idyll Mountain Internet / \ //\ /\ \ / \ '_| _` // \/ \__\ '_| _` You are the 205,442nd person to read this .sig From list-managers-owner Wed May 8 14:39:22 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id OAA29021 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 8 May 1996 14:20:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id OAA28992 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 14:20:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id QAA04560 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 16:15:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199605082115.QAA04560@sina.hpc.uh.edu> To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Is it a spam, or isn't it? X-Mailer: Mew beta version 0.98 on Emacs 19.30.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 16:15:38 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I received this today. I don't quite know what to make of it. Has anyone else received it? ----- From: nEthos Support Subject: To: type-o@hpc.uh.edu Date: Tue, 07 May 1996 14:41:26 +0000 Hello We are three girls from Switzerland. We look for three nice boys. We are all 16. Bye, your girls ----- No 1-900 number, no Dave Rhodes (make young Swiss chicks fast?) no "Good Times", no "Interesting Free Offer". I'm at a loss. -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 From list-managers-owner Wed May 8 15:42:09 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id PAA07013 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 8 May 1996 15:30:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id PAA07005 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 15:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.6.10/SMI-4.1/Brent-960123) id PAA25098; Wed, 8 May 1996 15:22:32 -0700 Received: from uumail2.netcom.com(163.179.3.52) by mycroft via smap (V1.3mjr) id sma025096; Wed May 8 15:21:42 1996 Received: from znyx.com by netcomsv.netcom.com with SMTP (8.6.12/SMI-4.1) id PAA25452; Wed, 8 May 1996 15:26:02 -0700 Received: from alan.znyx.com by znyx.com (5.65/1.35) id AA16926; Wed, 8 May 96 14:33:40 -0700 Date: Wed, 8 May 96 14:33:40 -0700 Message-Id: <9605082133.AA16926@znyx.com> X-Sender: alan@znyx.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM From: Alan Deikman Subject: Re: Is it a spam, or isn't it? Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >No 1-900 number, no Dave Rhodes (make young Swiss chicks fast?) no "Good >Times", no "Interesting Free Offer". I'm at a loss. Just someone who wants to generate a lot of nuisance mail for whomever runs nethos.net. -------------------------------- Alan Deikman, ZNYX Corporation alan@znyx.com From list-managers-owner Wed May 8 19:00:48 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id SAA18698 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 8 May 1996 18:56:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hahp9k.harte-lyne.ca (hahp9k.harte-lyne.ca [205.206.207.101]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id SAA18691 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 18:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ham_hal_g02_u01 ([205.206.207.30]) by hahp9k.harte-lyne.ca (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id VAA07750; Wed, 8 May 1996 21:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <31914ADF.6077@harte-lyne.ca> Date: Wed, 08 May 1996 21:31:11 -0400 From: "James B. Byrne" Organization: Harte & Lyne Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alan Deikman CC: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: It's a clear day today. References: <9605082009.AA16045@znyx.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk It's not Friday yet. Alan Deikman wrote: > > Well, I've gone for a whole 72 hours without a SPAM from > KK. Did AOL manage to squelch him or is this somehow the > calm before the storm? > -- James B. Byrne mailto:byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca Hamilton, Ontario 905-561-1241 From list-managers-owner Wed May 8 21:42:08 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id VAA26247 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 8 May 1996 21:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from torii.triple-i.com (torii.triple-i.com [192.94.150.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id VAA26233 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 21:33:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from siesta (siesta+.triple-i.com [192.94.150.7]) by torii.triple-i.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA28921 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 21:31:07 -0700 Received: from pak by siesta (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13248; Wed, 8 May 96 21:31:06 PDT From: jeffw@triple-i.com (Jeff Wasilko) Message-Id: <9605090431.AA13248@siesta> Subject: he's at it again (Approved99@aol.com) To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 21:31:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Well, here we go again. >From Approved99@aol.com Thu May 9 00:17:13 1996 Return-Path: Received: from emout18.mail.aol.com (emout18.mx.aol.com) by smoe.org (4.1/SMI-4. 1-hack1) id AA19693; Thu, 9 May 96 00:17:13 EDT Received: by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA05434; Thu, 9 May 1996 0 0:17:31 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 00:17:31 -0400 From: Approved99@aol.com Message-Id: <960509001731_394313100@emout18.mail.aol.com> Subject: ===>> FREE 1 yr USA Magazine Sub sent worldwide-270+ Choices! Apparently-To: -- Jeff Wasilko, Systems Representative Autologic Information International Pager: +1 800 605 5679 From list-managers-owner Wed May 8 22:41:56 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id WAA28090 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 8 May 1996 22:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.netset.com (zeus.netset.com [205.133.220.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id WAA28084 for ; Wed, 8 May 1996 22:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.133.220.158] (cmh-ppp58.netset.com [205.133.220.158]) by zeus.netset.com (8.7.5/NetSet) with SMTP id BAA13364 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 01:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 01:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM From: cubabe@netset.com (Dana Katherine Kressierer) Subject: New list member needs *big-time* help!!!!! Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi All! Boy am I glad to have found you (even if it means yet *more* mail in my box!). A short intro, then I'll cut to the chase about a huge problem I've been having. I hope some of you will be willing to offer me guidance... I'm one of 4 managers of a private, moderated-subscriptions, unmoderated-postings, 950+ member, 100+ messages/day mailing list. (Whew! How's that for a run-on sentence!) My problem is confidentiality. Since we are a private list, we do not allow the crossposting of list mail to other forums. Of course we do not guarantee that this won't happen (as we can't really control what individuals do with their list mail), but we try to inforce it whenever possible, and do remove those whom we "catch" forwarding on mail. The problem? A disgruntled, psychotic, obscene, and all-around-nasty chick who delights in posting list mail to Usenet Newsgroups. I'm sure most of you are saying "so kick her off the list." That's the rub. She isn't *on* the list! Since she knows she would never be allowed to join, she has recruited other psychotic jerks to subscribe on her behalf, and forward list mail to her (which she then forwards to Usenet groups). Is there anything I can do? I have *no* idea who is forwarding mail to her. I contacted her SysAdmin (at Pitt) who basically said "too bad, live with it." She's been a source of major trouble on the Usenet for years (slander, obscenity, defamation of character, lying, etc) but Pitt refuses to do anything about her (citing "free speech"). I asked Pitt to check her mail logs to see who is sending her the list mail - Pitt refused (as I would if I were in their postion). Do any of you have any suggestions? Am I just going to have to live with this? HELP! Dana Katherine Kressierer, cubabe@netset.com Co-Moderator, Adoptees' Internet Mailing List AIML URL: http://www.webreflection.com/aiml/ Dana's URL: http://www.webreflection.com/staff/dkress/ As soon as humankind began to discover the truth about itself, we began to find ways to cover up that truth. But maybe that's for the best: Our ability to delude ourselves may be an important survival tool. - Jane Wagner From list-managers-owner Thu May 9 00:34:13 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id AAA03095 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 9 May 1996 00:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id AAA03088 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 00:08:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id CAA13957; Thu, 9 May 1996 02:03:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199605090703.CAA13957@sina.hpc.uh.edu> To: cubabe@netset.com Cc: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: New list member needs *big-time* help!!!!! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 9 May 1996 01:27:17 -0400 (EDT)" References: X-Mailer: Mew beta version 0.98 on Emacs 19.30.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 02:03:03 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "DKK" == Dana Katherine Kressierer writes: DKK> The problem? A disgruntled, psychotic, obscene, and all-around-nasty DKK> chick who delights in posting list mail to Usenet Newsgroups. [...] DKK> Is there anything I can do? I have *no* idea who is forwarding mail DKK> to her. Unless the person is dumb enough to include full header information on the material they're resending, you pretty much can't tell. I can think of difficult and expensive (time-wise) schemes where you send out slightly different messages to each list member to see which one ends up being posted. You could also cook up a scheme where each list member signs over copyright of their message to you, then you include a copyright notice with each message. Then you can attempt to have the annoying person's admin shut them down for copyright violation. This is stretching things pretty thin, though (and, of course, IANAL). -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 From list-managers-owner Thu May 9 02:57:03 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id CAA13234 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 9 May 1996 02:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.dircon.co.uk (mail2.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.10]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id CAA13228 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 02:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diversity.org.uk (diversity.org.uk [193.128.226.199]) by mail2.dircon.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA10065 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 10:34:35 +0100 (BST) From: Nigel Whitfield Subject: Re: he's at it again (Approved99@aol.com) Organization: Digital Diversity Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 09:35:21 GMT Message-ID: References: <9605090431.AA13248@siesta> Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk In article <9605090431.AA13248@siesta>, Jeff Wasilko wrote: >Well, here we go again. Yup; although these don't get past my filter, I'm bored with this. When I've done my real work for today, I'm going to write a script that automatically mails to the appropriate address when it gets one of these. That's abuse@aol.com, isn't it? What about netcom, and compuserve? In fact, perhaps it would be useful for us to get together a definitive list of addresses that these should be reported to, since postmaster doesn't always seem to work terribly well these days. A point that some might find interesting with these latest spams is that I run two lists on the same host. The magazine spams have only ever been addressed to one of them. Whether or not this can tell us anything about the source of the addresses I don't know ... -- Nigel Whitfield nigel@diversity.org.uk Digital Diversity nigel@stonewall.demon.co.uk and uk-motss ***** All demon.co.uk sites are independently run internet hosts ***** From list-managers-owner Thu May 9 04:56:57 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id EAA18254 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 9 May 1996 04:52:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from emout18.mail.aol.com (emout18.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.44]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id EAA18229 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 04:52:40 -0700 (PDT) From: PMDAtropos@aol.com Received: by emout18.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id HAA20260; Thu, 9 May 1996 07:50:42 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 07:50:42 -0400 Message-ID: <960509075041_487424375@emout18.mail.aol.com> To: spam-l@eva.dc.lsoft.com, list-managers@greatcircle.com cc: IFRITRay@aol.com Subject: Latest Kevin Lipsitz: Approved99@aol.com Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I've terminated that account. AOL Legal and security are proceeding on their own investigations. Please do not send in notices of this spam, we are well aware of it and have terminated the account. --David O'Donnell (in Germany on business) From list-managers-owner Thu May 9 05:11:58 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id FAA18961 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 9 May 1996 05:01:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.mod.uk (relay.mod.uk [192.5.29.50]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id FAA18906 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 05:00:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hermes.dra.hmg.gb by relay.mod.uk with local SMTP id ; Thu, 9 May 1996 12:58:23 +0100 Received: from wandle.dra.hmg.gb by hermes.dra.hmg.gb (MX V4.1 VAX) with SMTP; Thu, 09 May 1996 12:56:18 GMT Received: from rivers.dra.hmg.gb by wandle.dra.hmg.gb with smtp(Smail3.1.28.1 #64) id m0uHUKB-0007V6C; Thu, 9 May 96 12:56 WET DST X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: cubabe@netset.com (Dana Katherine Kressierer) CC: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: New list member needs *big-time* help!!!!! Organization: Open Software Systems Group, DRA Malvern, UK References: In-reply-to: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 12:56:02 +0100 Message-ID: <17002.831642962@rivers.dra.hmg.gb> From: Christopher Samuel Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk In message , cubabe@netset.com (Dana Katherine Kressierer) writes: [deletia] > My problem is confidentiality. Since we are a private > list, we do not allow the crossposting of list mail > to other forums. [deletia] One of the lists I run has the following footnote tagged onto the end of every message. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- All messages sent to this mailing list are subject to the authors copyright, unless explicitly waived above. Please obtain the authors permission before quoting them outside of this mailing list. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thus if someone does quote them outside of the list without their permission I believe I have grounds to complain due to breach of copyright. DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer and I live in the UK. best of luck! Chris -- Christopher Samuel, Open Software Systems Group, chris@rivers.dra.hmg.gb N-115, Defence Research Agency, St Andrews Road, Great Malvern, England, UK DISCLAIMER: I write only for myself, not for DRA. Phone: +44 1684 894644 +MIME+ +PGP+ From list-managers-owner Thu May 9 05:27:17 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id FAA20056 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 9 May 1996 05:19:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.phoenix.net (mail.phoenix.net [199.3.232.20]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id FAA20041 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 05:19:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spiralnet.com (spiralnet.com [199.3.234.29]) by mail.phoenix.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id HAA23402 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 07:17:14 GMT Message-Id: <199605090717.HAA23402@mail.phoenix.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Siberia" Organization: SpiralNet Technologies, Inc. To: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 07:16:12 -0600 Subject: Re: New list member needs *big-time* help!!!!! Reply-to: klong@spiralnet.com X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.31) Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 9 May 96 at 1:27, Dana Katherine Kressierer wrote: > [...] > Do any of you have any suggestions? Am I just > going to have to live with this? Ugh. I know of whom you speak. I popped in to said newsgroup for the first time about a week ago and was shocked at her contributions. One thought did occur to me, why not have those whose email is being posted complain directly to her postmaster? Maybe it would carry more weight comming from the "injured" party? Namaste' Kimberly Long klong@spiralnet.com )O( klong@phoenix.net )O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O( Hope is the last gift given to man, and the only gift not given to youth. The power of hoping through everything, the knowledge that the soul survives its adventures, that great inspiration comes to the middle-aged. ~~ G.K. Chesterton )O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O( From list-managers-owner Thu May 9 05:32:24 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id FAA20077 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 9 May 1996 05:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Macon3.Mercer.PeachNet.Edu (Macon3.Mercer.EDU [131.144.194.26]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id FAA20068 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 05:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Macon2.Mercer.EDU (Macon2.Mercer.EDU) by Mercer.EDU (PMDF V5.0-7 #13285) id <01I4HIFJ52FK8ZJVAR@Mercer.EDU> for list-managers@GreatCircle.COM; Thu, 09 May 1996 02:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from MACON2.MERCER.EDU by MACON2.MERCER.EDU (PMDF V5.0-7 #13284) id <01I4HIFEBJ7K8WWMD9@MACON2.MERCER.EDU> for list-managers@GreatCircle.COM; Thu, 09 May 1996 02:43:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 02:43:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Sandra Hollin Flowers Subject: New manager's woes To: List Managers List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Early this year I got into the list-management business and am now managing one completely silent list and another which has just completed the process of defining itself. Because these are private lists, I haven't experienced the kinds of problems (e.g., spamming and Usenet forwarding) which I've been reading about during the two or three weeks I've been lurking on this list as a new subscriber. Mind you, I'm not yearning for those problems and don't envy those of you who have them :). However, I hope that in your collective experience you can help me with two problems I **am** having. First, one of my lists has, as I say, fallen completely silent. Since it's about technology and teaching, there is plenty to say, but no one seems to want to say it. Have any of you faced a situation like this--great enthusiasm and a rapid wave of subscribers when the list was announced followed by sudden death? What do you do? "Entertain" them yourselves (for, indeed, that's what I began to feel as though I was doing) with weekly posts? I've tried everything from surveys and "editorials" to raising what I thought were provocative issues. All to little or no avail. Now I myself no longer post, and it's as though the list does not exist. Insights? My other list is a 30-member manual operation--that is, the mailing list exists on 30 different computers operating a variety of email and communications software. This list is a core group which volunteered to set the parameters for a public list. We're now ready to go public. We intend to keep the subscription level at about 100, and, if the present 30 are any indication, it will be a low-traffic list. My own institution's server can accommodate the list I described above, but not this second one. My question, then, is how does one go about finding a server for a homeless list? Sandra in Maconga From list-managers-owner Thu May 9 06:27:25 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id GAA24681 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 9 May 1996 06:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lokkur.dexter.mi.us (lokkur.dexter.mi.us [148.59.2.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id GAA24646 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 06:20:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from scs@localhost) by lokkur.dexter.mi.us (8.7.5/8.7.5/lokkur-1.1-scs) id JAA07250; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:17:34 -0400 (EDT) To: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Path: lokkur.dexter.mi.us!not-for-mail From: scs@lokkur.dexter.mi.us (Steve Simmons) Newsgroups: local.list-managers Subject: Re: he's at it again (Approved99@aol.com) Date: 9 May 1996 09:17:33 -0400 Organization: Inland Sea Lines: 18 Distribution: local Message-ID: <4msr9d$72f@lokkur.dexter.mi.us> References: <9605090431.AA13248@siesta> X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 CURRENT #2 Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Nigel Whitfield wrote: >I'm going to write a script that automatically mails to the appropriate >address when it gets one of these. That's abuse@aol.com, isn't it? What >about netcom, and compuserve? I've had very quick and effective response from abuse@ix.netcom.com. >In fact, perhaps it would be useful for us to get together a >definitive list of addresses that these should be reported to, A brilliant idea. For Msen (which is mostly a well-behaved bunch) it's service@mail.msen.com. -- "Bad books on writing and thoughtless English professors solemnly tell beginners to WRITE WHAT YOU KNOW, which explains why so many mediocre novels are about English professors contemplating adultery." -- Joe Haldeman From list-managers-owner Thu May 9 06:33:53 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id GAA24875 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 9 May 1996 06:24:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.phoenix.net (mail.phoenix.net [199.3.232.20]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id GAA24867 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 06:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from spiralnet.com (spiralnet.com [199.3.234.29]) by mail.phoenix.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA28049 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 08:21:57 GMT Message-Id: <199605090821.IAA28049@mail.phoenix.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Siberia" Organization: SpiralNet Technologies, Inc. To: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 08:20:57 -0600 Subject: (Fwd) Re: New list member needs *big-time* help!!!!! Reply-to: klong@spiralnet.com X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.31) Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Talk about abusive. This is what I received in response to my email on the list-managers list. :-/ ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 09:13:59 -0400 From: AJSOU812 Subject: Re: New list member needs *big-time* help!!!!! To: klong@spiralnet.com Siberia wrote: > > On 9 May 96 at 1:27, Dana Katherine Kressierer wrote: > > > [...] > > Do any of you have any suggestions? Am I just > > going to have to live with this? > > Ugh. I know of whom you speak. I popped in to said newsgroup for > the first time about a week ago and was shocked at her > contributions. One thought did occur to me, why not have those whose > email is being posted complain directly to her postmaster? Maybe it > would carry more weight comming from the "injured" party? > > Namaste' > > Kimberly Long klong@spiralnet.com )O( klong@phoenix.net Excuse me kind sir, Could you show me the way off this list? I never requested to be on it and I'm tired of the messages. Very tired. I've tried every unsubscribe method I know but I keep getting told that I never subscribed. I want off and I'm sure you would like to get me off the servers as this is only one more unwanted message right? Help me and you'll never see me again. If not then I will use your email address and forward every damn thing I get in this group to you again and again and again. I want out. OUT!!! Yours utterly, Arnold Snodgress ----------------End Forwarded Message-------------------- Namaste' Kimberly Long klong@spiralnet.com )O( klong@phoenix.net )O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O( Hope is the last gift given to man, and the only gift not given to youth. The power of hoping through everything, the knowledge that the soul survives its adventures, that great inspiration comes to the middle-aged. ~~ G.K. Chesterton )O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O()O( From list-managers-owner Thu May 9 06:57:40 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id GAA27170 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 9 May 1996 06:47:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pacs01.infoave.net (pacs01.InfoAve.Net [165.166.0.11]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id GAA27160 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 06:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from augusta.net.sunbelt.net (dial-5.r1.gaagst.InfoAve.Net) by InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.0-5 #4800) id <01I4HX5NEHUO91ZIBU@InfoAve.Net> for List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM; Thu, 09 May 1996 09:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 09:41:16 -0400 From: AJSOU812 Subject: list To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Message-id: <3191F5FC.12F1@augusta.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk list From list-managers-owner Thu May 9 08:42:16 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id IAA05546 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 9 May 1996 08:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hahp9k.harte-lyne.ca (hahp9k.harte-lyne.ca [205.206.207.101]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id IAA05537 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 08:37:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hal-ham-g01-u01 ([205.206.207.103]) by hahp9k.harte-lyne.ca (8.7.5/8.7.5) with SMTP id LAA09398; Thu, 9 May 1996 11:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <31921323.48E8@harte-lyne.ca> Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 11:45:39 -0400 From: "James B. Byrne" Organization: Harte & Lyne Limited X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Wasilko CC: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: he's at it again (Approved99@aol.com) References: <9605090431.AA13248@siesta> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Jeff Wasilko wrote: > > Well, here we go again. > > Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 00:17:31 -0400 > From: Approved99@aol.com > Message-Id: <960509001731_394313100@emout18.mail.aol.com> > Subject: ===>> FREE 1 yr USA Magazine Sub sent worldwide-270+ Choices! > Apparently-To: > Damn! And it's only Thursday. -- James B. Byrne mailto:byrnejb@harte-lyne.ca Harte & Lyne Limited http://www.harte-lyne.ca Hamilton, Ontario 905-561-1241 From list-managers-owner Thu May 9 08:49:00 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id IAA04892 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 9 May 1996 08:28:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.netset.com (zeus.netset.com [205.133.220.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id IAA04866 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 08:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.133.220.122] (cmh-ppp22.netset.com [205.133.220.122]) by zeus.netset.com (8.7.5/NetSet) with SMTP id LAA18085 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 11:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 11:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM From: cubabe@netset.com (Dana Katherine Kressierer) Subject: RE: new list member needs help Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk All: Thanks to all of you who took the time to write to me with suggestions on how to deal with the psycho-chick. I'm trying to find 5 free minutes to implement some of your suggestions in order to weed-out the offending member who is forwarding mail... (finding the time seems to be as difficult as finding the jerk who is doing this!) More to follow! Thank you all so much! Dana Dana Katherine Kressierer, cubabe@netset.com Co-Moderator, Adoptees' Internet Mailing List AIML URL: http://www.webreflection.com/aiml/ Dana's URL: http://www.webreflection.com/staff/dkress/ As soon as humankind began to discover the truth about itself, we began to find ways to cover up that truth. But maybe that's for the best: Our ability to delude ourselves may be an important survival tool. - Jane Wagner From list-managers-owner Thu May 9 09:02:21 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id IAA06121 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 9 May 1996 08:45:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcomsv.netcom.com (uumail4.netcom.com [163.179.3.54]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id IAA06097 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 08:45:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from znyx.com by netcomsv.netcom.com with SMTP (8.6.12/SMI-4.1) id IAA28674; Thu, 9 May 1996 08:43:06 -0700 Received: from alan.znyx.com by znyx.com (5.65/1.35) id AA27325; Thu, 9 May 96 07:52:12 -0700 Date: Thu, 9 May 96 07:52:12 -0700 Message-Id: <9605091452.AA27325@znyx.com> X-Sender: alan@znyx.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM From: Alan Deikman Subject: Re: New list member needs *big-time* help!!!!! Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Kimberly wrote: >On 9 May 96 at 1:27, Dana Katherine Kressierer wrote: > >> [...] >> Do any of you have any suggestions? Am I just >> going to have to live with this? > >Ugh. I know of whom you speak. I popped in to said newsgroup for >the first time about a week ago and was shocked at her >contributions. Just out of purient curiosity, what is the subject matter of these lists that arouses the interest of "psychotic chicks"? Regards, -------------------------------- Alan Deikman, ZNYX Corporation alan@znyx.com From list-managers-owner Thu May 9 09:42:08 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id JAA11474 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tacoma.nwrain.net (tacoma.nwrain.net [204.71.149.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA11468 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p20.y0.nwrain.net by tacoma.nwrain.net with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0uHYhL-000oLaC; Thu, 9 May 96 09:36 PDT Received: by p20.y0.nwrain.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BB3D8A.9DB9C7C0@p20.y0.nwrain.net>; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:33:44 -0700 Message-ID: <01BB3D8A.9DB9C7C0@p20.y0.nwrain.net> From: Robert Kapela To: "'List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM'" Subject: RE: List-Managers-Digest V5 #93 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 09:11:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BB3D8A.9DC2EF80" Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB3D8A.9DC2EF80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit unsubscribe list-managers robert_kapela@spencer-davis.com ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB3D8A.9DC2EF80 Content-Type: application/ms-tnef Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 eJ8+IiwQAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAEAAQABBJAG AEwBAAABAAAADAAAAAMAADADAAAACwAPDgAAAAACAf8PAQAAAFkAAAAAAAAAgSsfpL6jEBmdbgDd AQ9UAgAAAABMaXN0LU1hbmFnZXJzQEdyZWF0Q2lyY2xlLkNPTQBTTVRQAExpc3QtTWFuYWdlcnNA R3JlYXRDaXJjbGUuQ09NAAAAAB4AAjABAAAABQAAAFNNVFAAAAAAHgADMAEAAAAeAAAATGlzdC1N YW5hZ2Vyc0BHcmVhdENpcmNsZS5DT00AAAADABUMAQAAAAMA/g8GAAAAHgABMAEAAAAgAAAAJ0xp c3QtTWFuYWdlcnNAR3JlYXRDaXJjbGUuQ09NJwACAQswAQAAACMAAABTTVRQOkxJU1QtTUFOQUdF UlNAR1JFQVRDSVJDTEUuQ09NAAADAAA5AAAAAAsAQDoBAAAAAgH2DwEAAAAEAAAAAAAAA2NCAQiA BwAYAAAASVBNLk1pY3Jvc29mdCBNYWlsLk5vdGUAMQgBBIABACAAAABSRTogTGlzdC1NYW5hZ2Vy cy1EaWdlc3QgVjUgIzkzAM8JAQWAAwAOAAAAzAcFAAkACQALACsABAAkAQEggAMADgAAAMwHBQAJ AAkACwAFAAQA/gABCYABACEAAAAzODQyNEQyMkIxQThDRjExQThDRjQ0NDU1MzU0MDAwMADoBgED kAYAKAIAABIAAAALACMAAAAAAAMAJgABAAAACwApAAAAAAADADYAAAAAAEAAOQCg6M42wj27AR4A cAABAAAAIAAAAFJFOiBMaXN0LU1hbmFnZXJzLURpZ2VzdCBWNSAjOTMAAgFxAAEAAAAWAAAAAbs9 wjbOIk1COaixEc+oz0RFU1QAAAAAHgAeDAEAAAAFAAAAU01UUAAAAAAeAB8MAQAAACAAAAByb2Jl cnRfa2FwZWxhQHNwZW5jZXItZGF2aXMuY29tAAMABhCLLBWFAwAHEDUAAAAeAAgQAQAAADYAAABV TlNVQlNDUklCRUxJU1QtTUFOQUdFUlNST0JFUlRLQVBFTEFAU1BFTkNFUi1EQVZJU0NPTQAAAAIB CRABAAAAygAAAMYAAABlAQAATFpGdbgfd1v/AAoBDwIVAqgF6wKDAFAC8gkCAGNoCsBzZXQyNwYA BsMCgzIDxQIAcHJCcRHic3RlbQKDM7cC5AcTAoM0EswUxX0KgIsIzwnZOxefMjU1AoAHCoENsQtg bmcxMDMvFFALChViDAFjAEAgdQkAgHViBPJiZSBsyQQAdC0DgWFnBJAEIAcDYB0QACBfa2FwZUkL YEBzHrBuYwSQLahkYXYEAC4FoG0KhfMKix1AMzYN8BtrIHYWwQIAI0AAAAMAEBAAAAAAAwAREAAA AABAAAcwwMgXIMI9uwFAAAgwwMgXIMI9uwEeAD0AAQAAAAUAAABSRTogAAAAAJd8 ------ =_NextPart_000_01BB3D8A.9DC2EF80-- From list-managers-owner Thu May 9 10:02:29 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id JAA13718 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zeus.netset.com (zeus.netset.com [205.133.220.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id JAA13684 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 09:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.133.220.127] (cmh-ppp27.netset.com [205.133.220.127]) by zeus.netset.com (8.7.5/NetSet) with SMTP id MAA19587; Thu, 9 May 1996 12:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 12:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Alan Deikman , list-managers@GreatCircle.COM From: cubabe@netset.com (Dana Katherine Kressierer) Subject: Re: New list member needs *big-time* help!!!!! Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 7:52 AM 5/9/96, Alan Deikman wrote: >Kimberly wrote: > >>On 9 May 96 at 1:27, Dana Katherine Kressierer wrote: >> >>> [...] >>> Do any of you have any suggestions? Am I just >>> going to have to live with this? >> >>Ugh. I know of whom you speak. I popped in to said newsgroup for >>the first time about a week ago and was shocked at her >>contributions. > >Just out of purient curiosity, what is the subject matter of >these lists that arouses the interest of "psychotic chicks"? Believe it or not... it's a mailing list for adoptees who are searching for their birth families! This particular person feels that all birth mothers are "evil whores," and that any adoptee who has a sucessful reunion is a "do-bee" who is in denial of the true abuse they have suffered as the result of being "abandoned." *sigh* And I thought an adoptees' list would be non-controversial! :-) Dana Dana Katherine Kressierer, cubabe@netset.com Co-Moderator, Adoptees' Internet Mailing List AIML URL: http://www.webreflection.com/aiml/ Dana's URL: http://www.webreflection.com/staff/dkress/ As soon as humankind began to discover the truth about itself, we began to find ways to cover up that truth. But maybe that's for the best: Our ability to delude ourselves may be an important survival tool. - Jane Wagner From list-managers-owner Thu May 9 10:42:32 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id KAA16822 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 9 May 1996 10:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from E-MAIL.COM (e-mail.com [199.171.26.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA16815 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 10:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605091731.KAA16815@miles.greatcircle.com> Received: from us.ibm.com by E-MAIL.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 7758; Thu, 09 May 96 13:29:11 EDT Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 13:29:04 EDT From: jcanterbury@us.ibm.com To: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: note of 05/09/96 13:25 X-Sender-Info: Jerry L. Canterbury t/l 372-3302 B183, 2J145 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: New list member needs *big-time* help!!!!! Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk cubabe@netset.com (Dana Katherine Kressierer) wrote: >Believe it or not... it's a mailing list for adoptees who are >searching for their birth families! This particular person >feels that all birth mothers are "evil whores," and that >any adoptee who has a sucessful reunion is a "do-bee" who is >in denial of the true abuse they have suffered as the result >of being "abandoned." It's Celeste, isn't it? Jerry Canterbury, Buckeye Consulting Internet: jcanterbury@us.ibm.com or jcanterb@worldweb.net **** 1996 Cleveland Indians: They Rock the Major Leagues! **** From list-managers-owner Thu May 9 14:12:20 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id OAA09313 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 9 May 1996 14:01:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from borg.mindspring.com (borg.mindspring.com [204.180.128.14]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id OAA09267 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 14:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from max1-dyn45.mindspring.com [205.164.235.45] by borg.mindspring.com with SMTP id QAA17447; Thu, 9 May 1996 16:58:24 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960509205636.0096f15c@ding.mindspring.com> X-Sender: robbie@ding.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 16:56:36 -0400 To: list-managers@greatcircle.com From: Robbie Honerkamp Subject: Re: he's at it again (Approved99@aol.com) Cc: chrisf@cc.gatech.edu Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > In fact, perhaps it would be useful for us to get together a > definitive list of addresses that these should be reported to, since > postmaster doesn't always seem to work terribly well these days. I just happen to have those handy.. :) postmaster@aol.com (Of course) abuse@aol.com (To report AOL abuse) PMDAtropos@aol.com (Found in whois record) Mackey@aol.com (ditto) roman@escape.com (runs escape.com, where Kevin gets his mail) postmaster@escape.com (Just to be official.. :) root@escape.com (..and thorough) fabozzip@icpma.com (from whois on peakaccess.net, where Kevin gets his dialup access) postmaster@peakaccess.net root@peakaccess.net merlyn@peakaccess.net (Runs PeakAccess, where Kevin gets his dialup access) Robbie -- Robbie Honerkamp robbie@shorty.com, robbie@grumblesmurf.net, robbie@mindspring.com http://www.shorty.com/~robbie/ Would you be prepared if gravity reversed itself? -from "Real Genius" From list-managers-owner Thu May 9 15:22:43 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id OAA14550 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 9 May 1996 14:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from borg.mindspring.com (borg.mindspring.com [204.180.128.14]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id OAA14433 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 14:57:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from max1-dyn45.mindspring.com [205.164.235.45] by borg.mindspring.com with SMTP id RAA17773; Thu, 9 May 1996 17:52:23 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960509215035.008fa2e8@ding.mindspring.com> X-Sender: robbie@ding.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 17:50:35 -0400 To: Project Genesis From: Robbie Honerkamp Subject: Re: he's at it again (Approved99@aol.com) Cc: list-managers@greatcircle.com Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Cc:ed to List-managers. At 05:34 PM 5/9/96 -0400, you wrote: >At 04:56 PM 5/9/96 -0400, you wrote: >>roman@escape.com (runs escape.com, where Kevin gets his mail) >>postmaster@escape.com (Just to be official.. :) >>root@escape.com (..and thorough) >Where did you find this? We only got it on list-managers when someone posted >his phone # and I called his machine... escape.com is the mx for kjl.com, which is his domain. And he also appears to have a shell there.. >[ding] /home/robbie> finger krazykev@escape.com >[escape.com] >Login: krazykev Name: Kevin Jay Lipsitz >Directory: /home/home2/krazykev Shell: /bin/tcsh >Last login Thu May 9 13:12 (EDT) on ttyt9 from ppp1.dialup.peakaccess.net >Plan: >Location: >Age: >Computer Type: >Hobbies: >Occupation: >Other: And that also refers to peakaccess.net as where he gets his access from. >>fabozzip@icpma.com (from whois on peakaccess.net, where Kevin gets his >>dialup access) >>postmaster@peakaccess.net >>root@peakaccess.net >>merlyn@peakaccess.net (Runs PeakAccess, where Kevin gets his dialup access) > >And this? This is more difficult to find out. I had no clue. The peakaccess.net information came from the above finger information. I went to the Peakaccess.net web page, and found that merlyn is the personal mailbox of the guy who runs it. Check out this URL. It's got TONS of info on him. http://www.iac.co.jp/~issho/stop-spam.html Robbie -- Robbie Honerkamp robbie@shorty.com, robbie@grumblesmurf.net, robbie@mindspring.com http://www.shorty.com/~robbie/ Would you be prepared if gravity reversed itself? -from "Real Genius" From list-managers-owner Thu May 9 16:57:04 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id QAA24606 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 9 May 1996 16:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from access4.digex.net (access4.digex.net [205.197.245.195]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA24597 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 16:41:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jjflash.digex.net (dyn000212.belt.digex.net [206.181.16.212]) by access4.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA02506 ; for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 19:39:55 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960509234022.0069ea10@access.digex.net> X-Sender: jjflash@access.digex.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 19:40:22 -0400 To: List Managers List From: Jack Schnapper Subject: Important (off-topic) FYI Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Someone on one of my lists posted this info and I thought that I should pass it on to all of you. Please forgive the off-topic use of bandwidth. > Here is some useful info for those of you that may travel with a > laptop computer: > > F.Y.I. > > Tom Godbout > Division of Administrative Services > -------------------------------------- > > The University of Michigan Risk Management Office cautions travelers > about the potential theft of laptop computers at airports: We have > recently learned of a hustle that's being employed at airports all > across the country to steal laptop computers. It involves two persons > who look for a victim carrying a laptop and approaching a metal > detector. They position themselves in front of the unsuspecting > passenger. They stall until the mark puts the laptop computer on the > conveyer belt. Then the first subject moves through the metal > detector easily. The second subject sets off the detector and begins > a slow process of emptying pockets, removing jewelry, etc. While this > is happening, the first subject takes the laptop as soon as it appears > on the conveyor belt and moves away quickly. When the passenger > finally gets through the metal detector, the laptop is gone. The > subject that picks it up heads into the gate area and disappears among > the crowd. Sometimes a third subjectwill take a handoff from the > first subject and the computer is out of the restricted area before > the mark even knows that it is gone. > > This is becoming a widely practiced problem and is happening at > airports everywhere. When traveling with a laptop computer, try to > avoid lines to enter a metal detector when possible. When you can't > do that, delay putting your luggage and laptop on the conveyor belt > until you are sure that you will be the nexperson through the metal > detector. As you move through the metal detector, keep your eyes on > the conveyor belt and watch for your luggage and laptop to come > through, as well as watching for what those in front of you are > picking up. > > Above message provided by George Cubberly, University of Michigan Risk > Management Office, and forwarded by the BTG, Inc. Security Service > Center. Jack Jack Schnapper jjflash@pobox.com Kajor Inc. - Computer Services http://www.pobox.com/~kajor From list-managers-owner Thu May 9 17:12:08 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id RAA26185 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 9 May 1996 17:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from j51.com (gorplex.j51.com [199.224.7.51]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id RAA26178 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 17:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from genesis (pmb11.j51.com [165.254.214.43]) by j51.com (8.7.3/8.6.12) with SMTP id UAA25436 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 20:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960510001313.006ed6f4@j51.com> X-Sender: genesis@j51.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 20:13:13 -0400 To: list-managers@greatcircle.com From: Project Genesis Subject: He's home. Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk 718-967-1234. Kevin himself. Doesn't want to talk to me, because I don't feel like giving my name to someone who likes to mailbomb in response to any incoming mail... Ken Menken From list-managers-owner Thu May 9 17:42:24 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id RAA27819 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 9 May 1996 17:41:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toko.graphics.cornell.edu (TOKO.GRAPHICS.CORNELL.EDU [128.84.247.155]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id RAA27809 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 17:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by toko.graphics.cornell.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA07635; Thu, 9 May 1996 20:38:46 -0400 Message-Id: <9605100038.AA07635@toko.graphics.cornell.edu> To: Project Genesis Cc: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: He's home. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 09 May 96 20:13:13 EDT." <2.2.32.19960510001313.006ed6f4@j51.com> Date: Thu, 09 May 96 20:38:46 -0400 From: Mitch Collinsworth X-Mts: smtp Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >718-967-1234. Kevin himself. Doesn't want to talk to me, because I don't >feel like giving my name to someone who likes to mailbomb in response to any >incoming mail... So make up a name. It's not like he didn't think of it first. -Mitch From list-managers-owner Thu May 9 18:44:08 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id SAA00450 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 9 May 1996 18:31:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from torii.triple-i.com (torii.triple-i.com [192.94.150.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id SAA00444 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 18:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from siesta (siesta+.triple-i.com [192.94.150.7]) by torii.triple-i.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA06068 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 18:29:18 -0700 Received: from pak by siesta (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20467; Thu, 9 May 96 18:29:17 PDT From: jeffw@triple-i.com (Jeff Wasilko) Message-Id: <9605100129.AA20467@siesta> Subject: MOre kevin via AOL To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 18:29:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Well, he's doing it again from AOL: >From Conroy675@aol.com Thu May 9 21:14:50 1996 Return-Path: Received: from emout19.mail.aol.com (emout19.mx.aol.com) by smoe.org (4.1/SMI-4. 1-hack1) id AA26580; Thu, 9 May 96 21:14:50 EDT Received: by emout19.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA05761; Thu, 9 May 1996 2 0:51:38 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 20:51:38 -0400 From: Conroy675@aol.com Message-Id: <960509205137_110395895@emout19.mail.aol.com> Subject: Interesting place I found in a remote corner of the net Apparently-To: From list-managers-owner Thu May 9 19:27:06 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id TAA02715 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 9 May 1996 19:19:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from antares.mcs.anl.gov (mcs.anl.gov [140.221.9.6]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id TAA02709 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 19:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mcs.anl.gov (obie.mcs.anl.gov [140.221.5.129]) by antares.mcs.anl.gov (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id VAA07349 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 21:17:46 -0500 Message-Id: <199605100217.VAA07349@antares.mcs.anl.gov> To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: KK is busy. Now called conroy675. Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 21:17:45 -0500 From: Gene Rackow Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This just in... ------- Forwarded Message Received: from emout08.mail.aol.com (emout08.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.23]) by antares.mcs.anl.gov (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id UAA06908 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 20:33:51 -0500 From: Conroy675@aol.com Received: by emout08.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id UAA01271; Thu, 9 May 1996 20:52:26 -0400 Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 20:52:26 -0400 Message-ID: <960509205226_110396510@emout08.mail.aol.com> ------- End of Forwarded Message From list-managers-owner Thu May 9 20:27:03 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id UAA04308 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 9 May 1996 20:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bbfm.di.com (bbfm.di.com [204.74.64.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id UAA04295 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 20:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tomorrow by bbfm.di.com (8.6.10/TD-1.22) with SMTP id UAA11927 for on Thu, 9 May 1996 20:12:53 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960510031331.0094a880@mail.di.com> X-Sender: today@mail.di.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 20:13:31 -0700 To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM From: Todd Day Subject: AOL free accounts Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I'd like to know just how much of this magazine crap we'll have to put up with before AOL changes their policy on their free accounts to prevent such abuse. I'd really hate to do this, as about 15% of my subscribers jack-in via AOL, but could we put pressure on AOL by banding together and rejecting all posts from aol.com for one week? This might cause enough readership backlash against AOL so they would stop this crazy policy of theirs that allows people Internet access with no responsibility. If KK was forced to use *verifiable* credit card numbers, at least a good paper trail could be started. If he used false numbers, he could get nailed on credit card fraud alone - I would think that would be an easier case to win, given the level of judicial ignorance of the net. I realize they are doing their best to get this guy, but it seems their current method for dealing with the situation is similar to the strategy one uses to play the "whack the mole" game you find at carnivals and boardwalks... -todd- From list-managers-owner Thu May 9 20:57:08 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id UAA06183 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 9 May 1996 20:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (relay1.smtp.psi.net [38.8.14.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id UAA06177 for ; Thu, 9 May 1996 20:50:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from adimail.adiva.com by relay1.smtp.psi.net (8.6.12/SMI-5.4-PSI) id XAA19589; Thu, 9 May 1996 23:48:40 -0400 Received: by adimail.adiva.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28211; Thu, 9 May 96 23:44:22 EDT Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 23:44:21 -0400 (EDT) From: George Pearson X-Sender: george@adimail To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: AOL free accounts In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960510031331.0094a880@mail.di.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Thu, 9 May 1996, Todd Day wrote: > ... but it seems their > current method for dealing with the situation is similar to the > strategy one uses to play the "whack the mole" game you find at carnivals > and boardwalks... Very, very apt. Gave me a good laugh! - george From list-managers-owner Fri May 10 05:42:01 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id FAA25909 for list-managers-outgoing; Fri, 10 May 1996 05:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.his.com (mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id FAA25903 for ; Fri, 10 May 1996 05:27:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brad.his.com (brad.his.com [205.177.25.174]) by mail.his.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA24304; Fri, 10 May 1996 08:25:33 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960509205636.0096f15c@ding.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 08:10:41 -0400 To: Robbie Honerkamp , list-managers@greatcircle.com From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: he's at it again (Approved99@aol.com) Cc: chrisf@cc.gatech.edu Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 4:56 PM -0400 5/9/96, Robbie Honerkamp wrote: > postmaster@aol.com (Of course) > abuse@aol.com (To report AOL abuse) > PMDAtropos@aol.com (Found in whois record) > Mackey@aol.com (ditto) Of course, if you just blindly post everything to all of those addresses, you'll end up making some of them go away. Please be kind and intelligently address your email, and if it's a complaint about an AOL user who is spamming, junkmailing, or otherwise abusing a mailing list or Usenet newsgroup, please send your not to abuse@aol.com and avoid filling up the other mailboxes with stuff that will just get forwarded to abuse@aol.com anyway, or deleted since the list of addressees will make it plain that it already went there. -- Brad Knowles, MIME/PGP: brad@his.com comp.mail.sendmail FAQ Maintainer finger brad@his.com for my PGP Public Keys and Geek Code The comp.mail.sendmail FAQ is at From list-managers-owner Fri May 10 05:45:41 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id FAA25918 for list-managers-outgoing; Fri, 10 May 1996 05:27:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.his.com (mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id FAA25911 for ; Fri, 10 May 1996 05:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brad.his.com (brad.his.com [205.177.25.174]) by mail.his.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id IAA24314; Fri, 10 May 1996 08:25:38 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960510031331.0094a880@mail.di.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 08:16:35 -0400 To: Todd Day , List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: AOL free accounts Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 8:13 PM -0700 5/9/96, Todd Day wrote: > If KK was forced to use *verifiable* credit card numbers, at least a > good paper trail could be started. If he used false numbers, he could > get nailed on credit card fraud alone - I would think that would be an > easier case to win, given the level of judicial ignorance of the net. It is my understanding that the registration process is already being changed to verify credit card numbers on-the-fly with credit bureaus and services. I've been trying to get them to add a $50-100 charge to an account when it is terminated with cause, so that we can make the credit card companies start considering this stuff seriously, and take what is a "What the hell, it's free and they can't do anything to me" into a "If I do this and intentionally screw with people, there will be real-world financial repercussions" type of situation. If you like this idea (of have any other suggestions on what we should do to stop this kind of abuse), I recommend you drop a note to SteveCase@aol.com, which has a whole team of folks that read and reply to suggestions both by members and people outside of AOL. Internal suggestions (like mine) can only go so far, but significant support for the same idea from the outside can only help that kind of cause. -- Brad Knowles, MIME/PGP: brad@his.com comp.mail.sendmail FAQ Maintainer finger brad@his.com for my PGP Public Keys and Geek Code The comp.mail.sendmail FAQ is at From list-managers-owner Fri May 10 06:12:03 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id GAA27173 for list-managers-outgoing; Fri, 10 May 1996 06:02:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from access2.digex.net (access2.digex.net [205.197.245.193]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id GAA27167 for ; Fri, 10 May 1996 06:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asgilman@localhost) by access2.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id JAA02098 ; for ; Fri, 10 May 1996 09:00:23 -0400 From: Al Gilman Message-Id: <199605101300.JAA02098@access2.digex.net> Subject: Re: New manager's woes To: flowers_s@Mercer.EDU (Sandra Hollin Flowers) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 09:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Cc: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: from "Sandra Hollin Flowers" at May 9, 96 02:43:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk From: Sandra Hollin Flowers ... these are private lists, (...) First, one of my lists has, as I say, fallen completely silent. Since it's about technology and teaching, there is plenty to say, but no one seems to want to say it. Have any of you faced a situation like this--great enthusiasm and a rapid wave of subscribers when the list was announced followed by sudden death? What do you do? "Entertain" them yourselves (for, indeed, that's what I began to feel as though I was doing) with weekly posts? I've tried everything from surveys and "editorials" to raising what I thought were provocative issues. All to little or no avail. Now I myself no longer post, and it's as though the list does not exist. Insights? I have run into this many times in volunteer initiatives. Email doesn't render one immune. The subscribers probably find that more traditional communication channels, from professional journals to hallway conversation, meet their needs on this topic without the arduous process of writing email to a small group of similarly masochistic people. Email lists, like other small businesses, flourish where they fill an otherwise-unmet demand. If it were a topic where it was hard to find someone else to talk to, the prognosis for the list might be better. My other list is a 30-member manual operation--that is, the mailing list exists on 30 different computers operating a variety of email and communications software. This list is a core group which volunteered to set the parameters for a public list. We're now ready to go public. We intend to keep the subscription level at about 100, and, if the present 30 are any indication, it will be a low-traffic list. My own institution's server can accommodate the list I described above, but not this second one. My question, then, is how does one go about finding a server for a homeless list? You have 30 in the organizing committee and you can't scrape up a host for an MLM? You should have thought about that when you formed the organizing committee. What service will the list provide? Who will gain? Network with advocacy groups (and individuals) who are stakeholders for this interest. See what this leads you to. The rates at POBox.com seem reasonable. Who licensed these 30 to set the parameters for the public? You 30 are engaged on an entrepreneurial gamble. You now need to test-market your service concept and find out what the public really wants. Be prepared to make changes. -- Al Gilman http://access.digex.net/~asgilman/ [lynx/FAQ/Als_picks.html] From list-managers-owner Fri May 10 06:27:06 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id GAA27510 for list-managers-outgoing; Fri, 10 May 1996 06:16:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sol.utu.fi (sol.utu.fi [130.232.1.30]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id GAA27504 for ; Fri, 10 May 1996 06:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by utu.fi id <15834-21878>; Fri, 10 May 1996 16:14:19 +0300 From: Matti Aarnio To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: KK/Magazine SPAM looks like some pyramide scheme Message-Id: <96May10.161419+0300eet_dst.15834-21878+151@utu.fi> Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 16:14:10 +0300 Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, When looking at these Magazine SPAMs, they appear to have some field which says: "from where you heard of this ?", and has pre-entered name + code at them. I have started to suspect that the original perpetrator has hidden behind a slew of fooled (..to spam) people, by claiming to give old customers some trinkets (or whatever) for every N new "customer" lured in. Up until recently I have been able to run a bunch of lists at my systems in a setup which is esentially a big alias expansion, without any intervening programs (like Majordomo) to auto-sensor the messages. For my extreme sad, I have now had to install such auto-traps... /Matti Aarnio From list-managers-owner Fri May 10 07:12:55 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id HAA00230 for list-managers-outgoing; Fri, 10 May 1996 07:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SYSWRK.UCIS.Dal.Ca (syswrk.UCIS.Dal.Ca [129.173.1.68]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id HAA00213 for ; Fri, 10 May 1996 07:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AC.Dal.Ca by SYSWRK.UCIS.DAL.CA (PMDF V4.3-13 #6307) id <01I4JE78YA9S0032YB@SYSWRK.UCIS.DAL.CA>; Fri, 10 May 1996 11:03:44 -0300 Received: from biome.bio.dfo.ca ("port 1881"@biome.BIO.dfo.ca) by AC.DAL.CA (PMDF V4.3-13 #6307) id <01I4JE6QTSOW002K3N@AC.DAL.CA>; Fri, 10 May 1996 11:03:28 -0300 Received: by biome.bio.dfo.ca (931110.SGI/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for @ac.dal.ca:List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM id AA04757; Fri, 10 May 96 11:02:51 -0300 Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 11:02:51 -0300 (ADT) From: bill@biome.bio.dfo.ca (Bill Silvert) Subject: AOL free accounts To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Message-id: <9605101402.AA04757@biome.bio.dfo.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I found the posting by Todd Day kind of puzzling. I helped my mother sign up with AOL earlier this year, and they most definitely DO require a verified credit card as part of the signup procedure, before you can start using it free of charge. In fact, the credit card checking is so stringent that she almost signed up with CompuServe instead -- AOL rejected her first card. I also tried to sign up with AOL in January, figuring that I could use the free month to learn enough to help my mother, but at the time they had no way of verifying any of my credit cards (since they are all with Canadian banks), and I wasn't able to sign up at all. If Todd knows some way of signing up with AOL without having a verifiable credit card, I'd be interested in hearing about it. Bill Silvert Forwarded message: >Date: Thu, 09 May 1996 20:13:31 -0700 >From: Todd Day >Subject: AOL free accounts > >I'd like to know just how much of this magazine crap we'll have to >put up with before AOL changes their policy on their free accounts >to prevent such abuse... > >If KK was forced to use *verifiable* credit card numbers, at least a >good paper trail could be started. If he used false numbers, he could >get nailed on credit card fraud alone - I would think that would be an >easier case to win, given the level of judicial ignorance of the net. -- Bill Silvert, Habitat Ecology Section, Bedford Institute of Oceanography, P. O. Box 1006, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2, Tel. (902)426-1577 HED runs a WWW server at URL=http://hed.bio.dfo.ca Fax (902)426-7827 From list-managers-owner Fri May 10 07:27:11 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id HAA00705 for list-managers-outgoing; Fri, 10 May 1996 07:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SYSWRK.UCIS.Dal.Ca (syswrk.UCIS.Dal.Ca [129.173.1.68]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id HAA00656 for ; Fri, 10 May 1996 07:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from AC.Dal.Ca by SYSWRK.UCIS.DAL.CA (PMDF V4.3-13 #6307) id <01I4JEEGNDLS00354S@SYSWRK.UCIS.DAL.CA>; Fri, 10 May 1996 11:09:32 -0300 Received: from biome.bio.dfo.ca ("port 1892"@biome.BIO.dfo.ca) by AC.DAL.CA (PMDF V4.3-13 #6307) id <01I4JEE49K800000Z8@AC.DAL.CA>; Fri, 10 May 1996 11:09:23 -0300 Received: by biome.bio.dfo.ca (931110.SGI/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for @ac.dal.ca:list-managers@GreatCircle.COM id AA04804; Fri, 10 May 96 11:08:53 -0300 Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 11:08:53 -0300 (ADT) From: bill@biome.bio.dfo.ca (Bill Silvert) Subject: Quiet lists To: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Message-id: <9605101408.AA04804@biome.bio.dfo.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk From: Sandra Hollin Flowers > First, one of my lists has, as I say, fallen completely silent. I'm sure many of us are used to this, but I might point out to Sandra that it is a common "problem". In fact, I've had a couple of lists where there was such a flurry of activity that everyone started screaming for digests or some other solution, and then after I went to the trouble of setting up digests or other alternative lists, the traffic fell to one message a week or less! To top it off, a couple of people on one list complained that weekly digests weren't up-to-date, they wanted daily digests, even though there was almost never more than one message per day. I write "problem" in quotes because I think that the Golden Rule of mailing list membership is, "If you don't have anything to say, don't say it." -- Bill Silvert, Habitat Ecology Section, Bedford Institute of Oceanography, P. O. Box 1006, Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, CANADA B2Y 4A2, Tel. (902)426-1577 HED runs a WWW server at URL=http://hed.bio.dfo.ca Fax (902)426-7827 From list-managers-owner Fri May 10 08:03:34 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id HAA03776 for list-managers-outgoing; Fri, 10 May 1996 07:51:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (searn.sunet.se [192.36.125.4]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id HAA03770 for ; Fri, 10 May 1996 07:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605101451.HAA03770@miles.greatcircle.com> Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE by SEARN.SUNET.SE (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 6052; Fri, 10 May 96 16:49:07 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin ERIC@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2b/1.8b) with RFC822 id 6690; Fri, 10 May 1996 16:49:07 +0200 Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 16:41:32 +0200 From: Eric Thomas Subject: Re: AOL free accounts To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: Message of Fri, 10 May 1996 08:16:35 -0400 from list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I don't think the $50-100 fee is the right approach. First off, legally you can't charge the card without the owner's consent. So, the only way you can put the charge in is if you explicitly mention this in your sign up banner and require the free trial user to agree to these terms. This is guaranteed to scare a lot of non-spammers, especially if the description is vague. Then if the description is more detailed, you'll be burying the huge majority of non-spammers into details they really don't need to see or understand, and they might conclude that AOL is a place where you meet bad people. Besides, in a best case scenario this adds $50-100 to the material costs of the spam. I might stop KK, but it won't stop people who post spams for a fee; they'll just add the $100 to their costs, and it will still be ultra cheap. All you need to do is add a warning saying that any usage of the AOL account for illegal activities or for spamming will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. This won't surprise or shock honest customers, in fact it might even be good PR. Above all, it has the potential of costing the spammer a lot more than $100, and you can still decide not to sue if you don't want to. I also think that if you sued KK, the other spammers would think twice before acting. Eric From list-managers-owner Fri May 10 08:27:08 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id IAA06339 for list-managers-outgoing; Fri, 10 May 1996 08:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.inforamp.net (Mail.InfoRamp.Net [204.191.136.66]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id IAA06309 for ; Fri, 10 May 1996 08:22:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Widgette (ts24-08.tor.iSTAR.ca [204.191.139.88]) by mail.inforamp.net (8.7.3/8.7) with SMTP id LAA09176; Fri, 10 May 1996 11:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 11:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199605101514.LAA09176@mail.inforamp.net> X-Sender: dlj@inforamp.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Brad Knowles From: David Lloyd-Jones Subject: Re: he's at it again (Approved99@aol.com) Cc: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 08:10 AM 10/05/96 -0400, Brad Knowles wrote: >At 4:56 PM -0400 5/9/96, Robbie Honerkamp wrote: > > Of course, if you just blindly post everything to all of those >addresses, you'll end up making some of them go away. Please be kind >and intelligently address your email... Brad has a good point. Postmasters are, after all, working stiffs like us all. They aren't the mad cows, they're the guys with the shovels. -dlj. From list-managers-owner Fri May 10 08:42:08 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id IAA07550 for list-managers-outgoing; Fri, 10 May 1996 08:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from E-MAIL.COM (e-mail.com [199.171.26.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id IAA07533 for ; Fri, 10 May 1996 08:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199605101533.IAA07533@miles.greatcircle.com> Received: from us.ibm.com by E-MAIL.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 3177; Fri, 10 May 96 11:31:33 EDT Date: Fri, 10 May 1996 11:31:25 EDT From: jcanterbury@us.ibm.com To: LIST-MANAGERS@GREATCIRCLE.COM In-Reply-To: note of 05/10/96 11:18 X-Sender-Info: Jerry L. Canterbury t/l 372-3302 B183, 2J145 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: AOL free accounts Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Eric Thomas wrote: >All you need to do is add a warning saying that any usage of the AOL >account for illegal activities or for spamming will be prosecuted to the >fullest extent of the law. This won't surprise or shock honest customers, >in fact it might even be good PR. Above all, it has the potential of >costing the spammer a lot more than $100, and you can still decide not to >sue if you don't want to. I also think that if you sued KK, the other