From list-managers-owner Mon Jul 1 00:34:00 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id AAA24709 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 00:25:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.his.com (mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id AAA24702 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 00:25:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.177.25.174] (brad.his.com [205.177.25.174]) by mail.his.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA03689; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 03:22:32 -0400 Message-Id: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 03:18:35 -0400 To: brozen@netvoyage.net From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: Real problem with AOL users. Cc: Thomas Leavitt , list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 12:53 AM -0400 6/30/96, Brock Rozen wrote: >I can relate. But also, I use a piece of software available on the net >called procmail to filter my mail. It does a wonderful job and I divide up >all kinds of list-manager related mail (bounces, approvals, subscription >requests, etc) into different folders. We use procmail as well. How do you think we pared it down to just a few GB? Trust me, tools like procmail start breaking at loads like this. -- Brad Knowles, MIME/PGP: brad@his.com comp.mail.sendmail FAQ Maintainer finger brad@his.com for my PGP Public Keys and Geek Code The comp.mail.sendmail FAQ is at From list-managers-owner Mon Jul 1 09:20:49 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id JAA01970 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:17:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from e55.webcom.com (e55.webcom.com [206.2.192.66]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id JAA01946 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:17:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607011617.JAA01946@miles.greatcircle.com> Received: by e55.webcom.com From: Thomas Leavitt Subject: Re: Real problem with AOL users. To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 9:15:44 PDT In-Reply-To: ; from "Brad Knowles" at Jul 1, 96 3:18 am X-Mailer: Elm [revision: 109.14] Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Re: procmail Don't use it, since it invokes a shell process for each message, with really nasty results for system load. Best thing to do is to run a script that processes a mailbox, at the time of reading. The standard tools (free and otherwise) have a tendency to crack under pressure... like everything else, fundamental architectural flaws are revealed. Thomas > > At 12:53 AM -0400 6/30/96, Brock Rozen wrote: > > >I can relate. But also, I use a piece of software available on the net > >called procmail to filter my mail. It does a wonderful job and I divide up > >all kinds of list-manager related mail (bounces, approvals, subscription > >requests, etc) into different folders. > > We use procmail as well. How do you think we pared it down to > just a few GB? Trust me, tools like procmail start breaking at loads > like this. > > -- > Brad Knowles, MIME/PGP: brad@his.com > comp.mail.sendmail FAQ Maintainer > finger brad@his.com for my PGP Public Keys and Geek Code > The comp.mail.sendmail FAQ is at > > > -- Web Communications (sm) Thomas Leavitt--leavitt@webcom.com Voice: (408) 457-9671 x101 Vice President Web Communications Home Page From list-managers-owner Mon Jul 1 12:14:24 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id LAA19412 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:37:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from digital.netvoyage.net (digital.netvoyage.net [205.162.154.10]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA19373 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:36:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (brozen@localhost) by digital.netvoyage.net (8.6.13/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA17469 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:33:46 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:33:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Brock Rozen Reply-To: brozen@netvoyage.net To: List Managers Subject: Procmail Message-ID: X-URL: http://www.netvoyage.net/~brozen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Oh, one more thing. I use procmail and receive *literally* hundreds of pieces of e-mail a day and my system works fine. For normal users, it's fine to use on pre-processing without having to worry about system load (although each system will vary). If you're processing gigabytes of mail a day, then I can imagine some problems, in which case you might not want pre-processing. For more info on procmail send a message to MY address with a SUBJECT of SEND PROCMAIL - INFO You'll get a response within a minute or so. This auto-response system can also be accessed through my homepage. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Brock Rozen | brozen@netvoyage.net | http://www.netvoyage.net/~brozen | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From list-managers-owner Mon Jul 1 12:15:09 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id LAA19069 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:34:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from digital.netvoyage.net (digital.netvoyage.net [205.162.154.10]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA19011 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (brozen@localhost) by digital.netvoyage.net (8.6.13/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA17158; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:31:20 -0700 Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:31:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Brock Rozen Reply-To: brozen@netvoyage.net To: Thomas Leavitt cc: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Real problem with AOL users. In-Reply-To: <199607011617.JAA01946@miles.greatcircle.com> Message-ID: X-URL: http://www.netvoyage.net/~brozen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Mon, 1 Jul 1996, Thomas Leavitt wrote: > Re: procmail > > Don't use it, since it invokes a shell process for each message, > with really nasty results for system load. Best thing to do is > to run a script that processes a mailbox, at the time of reading. True, but if you understood procmail well enough, you'd know that it isn't a requirement to have it run in the .forward file. You can also let mail pour into your mailbox and then whenever you feel, run it via a script at the time of reading. Thus, you get the power of procmail without it pre-processing messages. > The standard tools (free and otherwise) have a tendency to crack > under pressure... like everything else, fundamental architectural > flaws are revealed. The procmail author would *love* to hear of any problems/bugs you've experienced with his software. Stephen R. van den Berg or ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Brock Rozen | brozen@netvoyage.net | http://www.netvoyage.net/~brozen | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From list-managers-owner Mon Jul 1 13:34:00 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id NAA02592 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 13:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hera.cuci.nl (hera.cuci.nl [194.183.100.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id NAA02562 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 13:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from srb@localhost) Message-Id: <199607012018.WAA04695@hera.cuci.nl> From: srb@cuci.nl (Stephen R. van den Berg) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 22:18:24 +0200 In-Reply-To: Thomas Leavitt's message as of 1996 Jul 1 Mon 9:15. To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Real problem with AOL users. Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Thomas Leavitt wrote: >Re: procmail >Don't use it, since it invokes a shell process for each message, >with really nasty results for system load. Best thing to do is >The standard tools (free and otherwise) have a tendency to crack >under pressure... like everything else, fundamental architectural >flaws are revealed. Actually, it all depends on how you invoke it. You *can* have sendmail invoke procmail directly, in which case, it simply runs instead of the standard delivery agent, and will be doing a more efficient job than your run-off-the-mill (I've profiled several of them) delivery agent as well. Also, processing the mail as it comes in, perhaps serialised by the "expensive" flag in sendmail is mostly preferable to bulk processing afterward. The load will be more evenly distributed across time. -- Sincerely, srb@cuci.nl Stephen R. van den Berg (AKA BuGless). A sign seen at the local pizza place: "DO NOT CARRY TAKE-OUT BOXES BY HANDLES" From list-managers-owner Mon Jul 1 17:18:58 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id RAA18424 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:11:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from weber.ucsd.edu (weber.ucsd.edu [132.239.147.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id RAA18409 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cnorman@localhost) by weber.ucsd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA28888; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:08:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 17:08:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Cyndi Norman Message-Id: <199607020008.RAA28888@weber.ucsd.edu> To: leavitt@webcom.com CC: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM, cnorman@weber.ucsd.edu In-reply-to: Thomas Leavitt's message of Mon, 01 Jul 1996 9:15:44 PDT <199607011617.JAA01946@miles.greatcircle.com> Subject: procmail (was: Real problem with AOL users.) Reply-to: cnorman@weber.ucsd.edu Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk From: Thomas Leavitt Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 9:15:44 PDT Don't use it, since it invokes a shell process for each message, with really nasty results for system load. Best thing to do is to run a script that processes a mailbox, at the time of reading. Well, for those of us who can't really do a script...and the logistics don't work...well, procmail is just great. It was my sysop who set it up for me (I've edited and maintained it, now that I have the basic script), so if load was a probelm, he wasn't concerned. Procmail makes a huge difference in my ability to keep up with my mail and my list. It puts bounces that say "immune-request" into one file. And all other bounces into another file. I have added some exceptions (things that look like bounces but arne't). Since I get 20-200 bounces a day (usually between 40 and 80), keeping them separate is wonderful. If I'm way behind (and espeically when the disks here are nearly full), I can just (shhh don't tell :) delete the whole bounce-immune file. There are enough posts on the list that I catch problem addresses on another pass. I haven't noticed any system load differences since I started this a few years ago...and, more importantly, the sysops haven't complained. Now, I'm talking tops, a few hundred a day, not the GB's some others have posted about. For mail of that volume, procmail may not be the best way. If anyone on a unix machine wants to have a copy of my procmail script (the are fairly easy to edit once you have one to start with), just let me know. I highly recommend it for use on machines that can handle it and for lists of normal sizes. Cyndi __________________________________________________________________________ "There's nothing wrong with me. Maybe there's Cyndi Norman something wrong with the universe." (ST:TNG) cnorman@ucsd.edu ___________________________________________ http://weber.ucsd.edu/~cnorman From list-managers-owner Mon Jul 1 18:34:17 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id SAA24735 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 18:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) id SAA24717 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 18:18:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from access2.digex.net (access2.digex.net [205.197.245.193]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id IAA29811 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 08:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from asgilman@localhost) by access2.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA13912 ; for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 11:03:45 -0400 From: Al Gilman Message-Id: <199606291503.LAA13912@access2.digex.net> Subject: alternative to News and Digest for busy lists To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 11:03:45 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "Brad Knowles" at Jun 29, 96 00:21:33 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk From: Brad Knowles > If a member of AIML, which generates over >70 messages per day, is using Compuserve/AOL/Wow he or she is set >to nomail quite often due to "full mailboxes." Mailing lists that have this kind of traffic should have digests, and users on systems that limit the number of messages a user should subscribe to them. Alternatively, mailing lists with this kind of traffic should be gatewayed to Usenet newsgroups, where users can hop on and off at will, and read messages as they get a chance, but don't have their mailbox get filled by too many messages sent per day. Even 70 messages a day does not mean that you can persuade enough News administrators to carry the list. Gatewaying the posts to a Web archive means that the data doesn't have to be replicated and the threading is done once at the archive and not randomly in the user agents [Not that Hypermail 1.02 gets it right, yet...]. The use of digests will be significantly improved when more places have Mail User Agents that understand "standard" digest format and can re-explode them back into individual messages. This *will* happen (if nothing else, as more places support "standard" programs like Eudora 3.0). This will not happen. The success of HTML, which is a better format than earlier digest standards, will keep it from happening. Al Gilman From list-managers-owner Mon Jul 1 21:34:00 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id VAA15420 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:29:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.his.com (mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id VAA15400 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.177.25.174] (brad.his.com [205.177.25.174]) by mail.his.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id AAA05501; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 00:26:19 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199606291503.LAA13912@access2.digex.net> References: from "Brad Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 23:21:04 -0400 To: Al Gilman , list-managers@greatcircle.com From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: alternative to News and Digest for busy lists Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 11:03 AM -0400 6/29/96, Al Gilman wrote: > From: Brad Knowles > > The use of digests will be significantly improved when more > places have Mail User Agents that understand "standard" digest format > and can re-explode them back into individual messages. This *will* > happen (if nothing else, as more places support "standard" programs > like Eudora 3.0). > >This will not happen. The success of HTML, which is a better format >than earlier digest standards, will keep it from happening. HTML is not a digest format, and still damn few MUAs support any amount of HTML in them. Netscape pretends to, but then Netscape pretends to be an MUA. Eudora 3.0 will do a semi-decent job, but only so far as the emerging MHTML spec will go. And, of course, the *vast* majority of people on the 'net won't be upgrading to any kind of MUA that can handle this sort of thing any time soon, anyway. Finally, you've got to convince digestifiers to output HTML instead of the standard digest formats, and frankly, once you're at that point, you might as well be maintaining a local HTML archive anyway and not even mailing anything out. But then, that kind of defeats the purpose of a digest, doesn't it? No, I submit that digests will be around for a very long time, the only thing that will change is that we'll have better tools for creating and dealing with them, and more transparently turning a digest into something approaching decent HTML, and vice-versa. It's the vice-versa that's got me really interested -- I want to maintain my FAQ as a set of web pages, and have the program automatically extract the data, "prettify" it, and post it on a regular schedule. But the tools for doing this are still pretty embroyonic, with the most widely advanced tools I know of being the ones the comp.sgi.* FAQ Maintenance Team uses.... -- Brad Knowles, MIME/PGP: brad@his.com comp.mail.sendmail FAQ Maintainer finger brad@his.com for my PGP Public Keys and Geek Code The comp.mail.sendmail FAQ is at From list-managers-owner Mon Jul 1 21:49:02 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id VAA16469 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:45:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id VAA16433 for ; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 21:45:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (tibbs@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA01881; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 23:42:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199607020442.XAA01881@sina.hpc.uh.edu> To: brad@his.com Cc: asgilman@access.digex.net, list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: alternative to News and Digest for busy lists In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 1 Jul 1996 23:21:04 -0400" References: X-Mailer: Mew beta version 0.98 on Emacs 19.30.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 23:42:32 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Another solution to the problem besides newsgroups, digests, and web archives is a private NNTP server. There is something called NNDB that sort of grew out of the Gnus support of reading just about anything as news. It takes your mail hierarchy and presents an NNTP-like interface to it. It's in the early stages of development, but I can see it becoming another alternative to a mailing list. It's written in perl, so it's easily hackable and doesn't need to be nearly as complicated as a full NNTP server with support for batch transfers and the like. Of course, this has it's own set of problems, like how posting/mailing is handled and such. How many newsreaders support multiple NNTP servers? -- Jason L. Tibbitts III - tibbs@uh.edu - 713/743-8684 - 221SR1 System Manager: University of Houston High Performance Computing Center 1994 PC800 "Kuroneko" DoD# 1723 From list-managers-owner Tue Jul 2 18:04:00 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id RAA11559 for list-managers-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:58:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.dircon.co.uk (mail2.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.10]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id RAA11536 for ; Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from diversity.org.uk (diversity.org.uk [194.112.46.199]) by mail2.dircon.co.uk (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA10277 for ; Wed, 3 Jul 1996 01:48:55 +0100 (BST) From: Nigel Whitfield Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 01:49:36 BST Reply-To: nigel@diversity.org.uk X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.5 10/14/92) To: list-managers@diversity.org.uk Subject: Dealing with MS Exchange Message-ID: <9607030149.aa06371@fags.stonewall.demon.co.uk> Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I've just re-written the help document I created for my lists which explains to people how to avoid those pesky Exchange attachments - winmail.dat and the ms-tnef MIME type. Anyone who wants a copy can request it by sending a message to uk-motss-SERVER@dircon.co.uk with the command send exchange in either the message body or the subject field. Feel free to plagiarise for your own lists. Nigel. -- Nigel Whitfield nigel@diversity.org.uk Digital Diversity nigel@stonewall.demon.co.uk and uk-motss ***** All demon.co.uk sites are independently run internet hosts ***** From list-managers-owner Fri Jul 5 07:34:13 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id HAA11822 for list-managers-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 07:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcomsv.netcom.com (uucp4.netcom.com [163.179.3.4]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id HAA11815 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 07:28:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duke.sagarmatha.com by netcomsv.netcom.com with UUCP (8.6.12/SMI-4.1) Received: by duke (Smail3.1.28.1 #64) Message-Id: From: james@sagarmatha.com (James C. Armstrong) Subject: Compuserve and wow To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 07:05:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk The Compuserve bouncing mail infection hit my mailing lists again yesterday. Fortunately, it didn't propogate, but it did flood my mailbox with majordomo bounce messages. My lists are nearly 900 addresses spread among 7 lists, with a fair bit of duplication. Each list is majordomo managed, with only subscribers and a list of alternate addresses permitted to post to the list. So, when Compuserve goes on its bouncing spree, that bounce message gets sent to my "check this mail for valid addresses" file. Since the lists have fairly high volume, and have a world-wide scope, this meant there were a lot of these messages. So, on my lists, I've implemented the policy that Compuserve and wow addresses may only subscribe to the digest forms of my mailing lists. This is the only intermediate I could think of, short of banning these addresses. I do feel sorry for those folks who just use a mail exploder. There's a first class disaster in the making. -- James C. Armstrong, Jr. | From hence, ye beauties, undeceived, james@sagarmatha.com (home) | Know, one false step is ne'er retrieved, | And be with caution bold. | Not all that tempts your wandering eyes | And heedless hearts is lawful prize; | Nor all that glisters gold. From list-managers-owner Fri Jul 5 23:04:12 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id WAA03528 for list-managers-outgoing; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 22:50:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mhinside.hcl.com (mhoutside.hcl.com [205.211.178.117]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id WAA03521 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 1996 22:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rudyamid (ppp4.hcl.com [199.71.120.14]) by mhinside.hcl.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id BAA08557; Sat, 6 Jul 1996 01:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199607060557.BAA08557@mhinside.hcl.com> From: "Rudy Amid" To: "James C. Armstrong" Subject: Re: Compuserve and wow Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 01:44:53 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1085 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Actually, Compuserve is not the only source of annoying mail bounces. The biggest annoyance are (misconfigured or not) X.400, UUCP, and MMDF mail gateways. I don't know how they work but it sure hell is very annoying to see messages being sent back to owner-list with messages like: "Your e-mail is received but remote host is down, message queued." "Warning: Bad date format" etc. etc. I think it's inexcusible for any email relayer to send back these kinds of warning messages. A mail relayer should just do its job and deliver the mail as-is. Btw, my procmail recipe to postmaster is growing thanks to these silly gateways. -- Rudy Amid (rudy@hcl.com) #include Systems Administrator "We're IT!" -MIS Dept. Hummingbird Communications, Ltd. [URL] http://www.hcl.com 1 Sparks Ave. Toronto, Canada. M2H 2W1. 416-496-2200 You can obtain my public PGP key fingerprint from http://www.warped.com/~radix ---------- > From: James C. Armstrong > To: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM > Subject: Compuserve and wow > Date: Friday, July 05, 1996 10:05 AM > > The Compuserve bouncing mail infection hit my mailing lists again > yesterday. Fortunately, it didn't propogate, but it did flood my > mailbox with majordomo bounce messages. > > My lists are nearly 900 addresses spread among 7 lists, with a fair > bit of duplication. Each list is majordomo managed, with only > subscribers and a list of alternate addresses permitted to post to the > list. So, when Compuserve goes on its bouncing spree, that bounce > message gets sent to my "check this mail for valid addresses" file. > Since the lists have fairly high volume, and have a world-wide > scope, this meant there were a lot of these messages. > > So, on my lists, I've implemented the policy that Compuserve and > wow addresses may only subscribe to the digest forms of my mailing > lists. This is the only intermediate I could think of, short of > banning these addresses. > > I do feel sorry for those folks who just use a mail exploder. There's > a first class disaster in the making. > -- > James C. Armstrong, Jr. | From hence, ye beauties, undeceived, > james@sagarmatha.com (home) | Know, one false step is ne'er retrieved, > | And be with caution bold. > | Not all that tempts your wandering eyes > | And heedless hearts is lawful prize; > | Nor all that glisters gold. From list-managers-owner Mon Jul 8 13:34:19 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id NAA13330 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhub.Stanford.EDU (mailhub.Stanford.EDU [36.21.0.128]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id NAA13322 for ; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [171.64.76.140] (Cervantes.Stanford.EDU [171.64.76.140]) by mailhub.Stanford.EDU (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA07925; Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:24:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: wbarr@popserver.stanford.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 13:24:47 -0700 To: list-managers@GreatCircle.com From: wbarr@leland.Stanford.EDU (William P. Barr) Subject: Heads Up: Fakemail victim Cc: majordomo-owner@lists.Stanford.EDU Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I just had a short chat with the listowner of: aerosmith-fans@dartmouth.edu It seems that one of their former members or someone is having fun with fakemail and subscribing this list to dozens of email mailing lists. As a favour, if you see this email address subscribed to one of your lists, please remove aerosmith-fans@dartmouth.edu ASAP, especially if you have a high volume list. Bill -- William Barr, Stanford Computer Forum phone: 415-723-6632 Room 272, M/C 9025, Gates Building 2B, Stanford, CA 94305 wbarr@leland.stanford.edu finger wbarr@cs.stanford.edu for PGP Listowner: butler-sql, harpoon, phoenix-command, tacops, n-scale@lists.stanford.edu "My opinions are mine and only mine." From list-managers-owner Wed Jul 10 11:35:38 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id LAA08942 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 11:30:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from onenw.org (www.onenw.org [204.137.160.220]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA08905 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 11:30:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DEAN ([204.137.132.136]) by onenw.org (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA30783 for ; Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:28:57 -0700 Received: by DEAN with Microsoft Mail Message-ID: <01BB6E52.F24A9B90@DEAN> From: Dean Ericksen To: "'Greatcircle Listowners'" Subject: PGP/Majordomo Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 11:28:39 -0700 Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk 07/10/96 11:25 AM Perhaps this has been discussed...but I'm interested in options of incorporating PGP with majordomo - are there examples of lists doing this? What are the problems that I should be thinking about? An input appreciated... -Dean ===== mailto:dean@onenw.org ===== ONE/Northwest ===== http://www.onenw.org From list-managers-owner Thu Jul 11 13:49:46 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id NAA29640 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 13:39:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duticai.twi.tudelft.nl (duticai.twi.tudelft.nl [130.161.159.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id NAA29625 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 13:38:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from winfave@localhost) by duticai.twi.tudelft.nl (8.7.5/8.7.3) id WAA02031; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 22:36:06 +0200 (MET DST) From: Alexander Verbraeck Message-Id: <199607112036.WAA02031@duticai.twi.tudelft.nl> Subject: A spam that really makes you angry! To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 22:36:00 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: winfave@duticai.twi.tudelft.nl X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk As a list manager, I pay close attention to what happens with respect to other lists I am subscribed to regarding spams. The following one I received through a list today is really bold. It has an advertisement in it, and ends with the following statement: ........................................................................... Notice To: Newsgroup Moderators, Managers or Vested Interest Subscribers. Due to HLD PUBLISHING limited list of Newsgroups, it is not our policy to remove a newsgroup from our list free of charge. To be removed from our list of future commericial postings by HLD PUBLISHING COMPANY an Annual Charge of Ninety Five dollars is required. Just send $95.00 with your Name, Address and Name of the Newsgroup to be removed from our list. Mail to: HLD PUBLISHING COMPANY, 1680 NORTH VINE STREET SUITE 1103, LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA 90028. ............................................................................ Furthermore, HLD PUBLISHING COMPANY reserves the right to cancel its own postings. Cancellations of our postings performed by outside parties will be charged a Ninety Five dollar fee per cancellation. A bill with proof of cancellations made will be sent to all parties involved, plus, it will automatically be sent to Attorneys Specializing in Collections nationwide and worldwide. HLD PUBLISHING COMPANY will protect and maintain its interest. It becomes crazier and crazier, isn't it? PAYING to be removed from their annoying commercial postings!!! Alexander Verbraeck ----------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Alexander Verbraeck Delft University of Technology Department of Systems Engineering, Policy Analysis and Management Jaffalaan 5 P.O. Box 5015, 2600 GA Delft The Netherlands Tel: +31 15 2783805 Secr: +31 15 2788380 Fax: +31 15 2783429 e-mail: A.Verbraeck@sepa.tudelft.nl List manager BPR-L, DYNMOD-L http://www.sepa.tudelft.nl/~alexandv/ See also ..../bpr-l.html ----------------------------------------------------------------- From list-managers-owner Thu Jul 11 15:19:48 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id PAA08587 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.10]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id PAA08580 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:11:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from (alancz@hou-tx6-30.ix.netcom.com [204.30.68.222]) by dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA03162 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:08:43 -0700 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:08:43 -0700 Message-Id: <199607112208.PAA03162@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> From: alancz@ix.netcom.com (Alan Czarnek) Subject: Re: A spam that really makes you angry! To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk they said....... >Notice To: Newsgroup Moderators, Managers or Vested Interest Subscribers. >Due to HLD PUBLISHING limited list of Newsgroups, it is not our policy to >remove a newsgroup from our list free of charge. To be removed from our >list of future commericial postings by HLD PUBLISHING COMPANY an Annual >Charge of Ninety Five dollars is required. > > >It becomes crazier and crazier, isn't it? PAYING to be removed from >their annoying commercial postings!!! > >Alexander Verbraeck ------------------------- Alexander, One way to look at this is that they are charging 'protection' money..... Similar to: 'If you don't pay them for 'protection', they'll come over to your office and beat you up.' It's just one more reason I'm glad that my lists are private........ Alan Cz From list-managers-owner Thu Jul 11 15:39:50 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id PAA09287 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:28:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wildride.schoneal.com (wildride.schoneal.com [206.81.38.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id PAA09280 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:28:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from meo@localhost) by wildride.schoneal.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) id RAA31557; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 17:28:36 -0500 Message-Id: <199607112228.RAA31557@wildride.schoneal.com> Subject: Re: A spam that really makes you angry! To: alancz@ix.netcom.com (Alan Czarnek) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 17:28:35 -0500 (CDT) Cc: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <199607112208.PAA03162@dfw-ix10.ix.netcom.com> from "Alan Czarnek" at Jul 11, 96 03:08:43 pm From: meo@schoneal.com (Miles O'Neal) Reply-To: meo@schoneal.com (Miles O'Neal) Organization: Schober O'Neal, Inc / Net Ads X-WWW-URL: http://www.schoneal.com/~meo/ X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk There are creative ways to deal with this, of course. For instance, if you are a good forger, post their intact article to a few of the news groups that tend to respond, un, strongly, to such things. Or better yet, call them up and convince them to add those groups themselves. Let the net take care of them. -Miles From list-managers-owner Thu Jul 11 15:42:58 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id PAA09442 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ec2.earthchannel.com (ec2.earthchannel.com [205.160.16.65]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id PAA09428 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:33:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ec2 (205.160.16.65) by ec2.earthchannel.com Message-ID: Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Gess Shankar" Organization: Earth Channel Communications LLC To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 18:30:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: A spam that really makes you angry! Reply-to: gess@earthchannel.com X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.30) Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On 11 Jul 96 at 22:36, Alexander Verbraeck wrote: > As a list manager, I pay close attention to what happens with > respect to other lists I am subscribed to regarding spams. The > following one I received through a list today is really bold. It has > an advertisement in it, and ends with the following statement: > > .................................................................... > To be removed from our list of future commericial postings by HLD > PUBLISHING COMPANY an Annual Charge of Ninety Five dollars is > required. Just send $95.00 with your Name, Address and Name of the > Newsgroup to be removed from our list. Mail to: HLD PUBLISHING > COMPANY, 1680 NORTH VINE STREET SUITE 1103, LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA > 90028. > .................................................................... Do you know what the list owner did in this case? I think the FTC in the US may have something to say about this. They wouldn't like to pay anything to make the commercial posting, I suppose. Who was the posting from? Same company? Perhaps you can post that information so that such mail can be filtered out. May be they will sue us for not distributing the mail? Gess :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Gess Shankar pax vobiscum gess@earthchannel.com http://www.earthchannel.com Earth Channel Communications, LLC. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: From list-managers-owner Thu Jul 11 17:34:51 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id RAA16502 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 17:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sol.tins.net (sol.tins.net [205.173.230.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id RAA16495 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 17:31:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mgg@localhost) by sol.tins.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA27494; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 17:28:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 17:28:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199607120028.RAA27494@sol.tins.net> From: Mark Galbraith To: A.Verbraeck@duticai.twi.tudelft.nl CC: list-managers@greatcircle.com, winfave@duticai.twi.tudelft.nl In-reply-to: <199607112036.WAA02031@duticai.twi.tudelft.nl> (message from Subject: Re: A spam that really makes you angry! Organization: Triad InterNet Services X-Mailer: Emacs-19.30 X-Attribution: mgg Reply-to: mgg@sol.tins.net Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Alexander" == Alexander Verbraeck writes: Alexander> It becomes crazier and crazier, isn't it? PAYING to be Alexander> removed from their annoying commercial postings!!! In the U.S., it's also illegal. They must provide a way for consumers (that's us folks) to remove ourselves from junk mail lists free of charge (U.S. Federal law requires it). Since this person seems to reside inside California, which (last time I checked) is still part of the U.S., they won't be able to collect this fee, at least from addresses inside the U.S. -- Mark Galbraith Engineer, Internet Services Triad Systems Corporation (PGP Fingerprint=1C B9 74 81 AD 5C 57 09 69 0B AC 09 7F 65 D6 F6) From list-managers-owner Thu Jul 11 22:04:46 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id VAA03182 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 21:59:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id VAA27136 for ; Thu, 11 Jul 1996 21:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.6.10/SMI-4.1/Brent-960123) Received: from zeus.netset.com(205.133.220.1) by mycroft via smap (V1.3mjr) Received: from [206.175.76.44] (ts2-12.netwalk.com [206.175.76.44]) by zeus.netset.com (8.7.5/NetSet-v.1.5) with SMTP id AAA28657; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Alexander Verbraeck From: cubabe@netset.com (Dana Katherine Kressierer) Subject: Re: A spam that really makes you angry! Cc: winfave@duticai.twi.tudelft.nl Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 10:36 PM 7/11/96, Alexander Verbraeck wrote: [snip info about HLD publishing] I truly cannot believe the nerve of this company! But, they've been at it for awhile, as I learned from a quick scan of Alta Vista... >Re: ++WANTED PERL >PROGRAMMER+++++++ > >Denis R. Papp (dpapp@falun.cs.ualberta.ca) >10 Feb 1996 01:17:33 GMT > > Messages sorted by: [ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ] > Next message: Larry W. Virden: "Re: criteria" > Previous message: Tim Bunce: "Re: Default Value of @INC ???" > >>hector.d@ix.netcom.com(HECTOR DAVILA ) writes: > >> WANTED PROGRAMMER PERL > >> We are seeking a self-directed individual on a freelance basis. > >> Skilled in PERL scripting, testing and implemntation. > >> Knowledge in C , UNIX , CGI AND SHELL SCRIPTING. > >> Please email your resume to: hector.@ix.netcom.com or mail to: > >> HLD PUBLISHING CO. >> 1680 N. VINE ST SUITE 1103 >> LOS ANGELES. CA 90028 > >Wanted: one PERL hacker to write a script to spam a post to >all newsgroups > >-- >Denis Papp dpapp@cs.ualberta.ca > http://ugweb.cs.ualberta.ca/~dpapp >Q: What's the difference between O.J. Simpson and Christopher Reeve? >A: O.J. walked. Apparently they found their programmer.. Sheesh... thank the powers that be that my list is private! Whomever suggested posting this company's info to the "not so nice" newsgroups was right on the money! :-) Bet I could come up with Hector Davila's home phone number if anyone is interested... Always, Dana Dana Katherine Kressierer, cubabe@netset.com Co-Manager, Adoptees' Internet Mailing List AIML URL: http://www.webreflection.com/aiml/ Dana's URL: http://www.webreflection.com/staff/dkress/ I'm so glad that you came tonight. I sometimes worry that no one will show up, and without you, there would be little point in my being here. - Jane Wagner From list-managers-owner Fri Jul 12 12:06:21 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id LAA05118 for list-managers-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:56:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id LAA05059 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netcomsv.netcom.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP Received: by netcomsv.netcom.com with UUCP (8.6.12/SMI-4.1) Received: by einstein.vcc.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) From: rick@einstein.vcc.com (Rick Sherman) Message-Id: <199607121529.IAA00913@einstein.vcc.com> Subject: Re: A spam that really makes you angry! To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 08:29:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199607112228.RAA31557@wildride.schoneal.com> from "Miles O'Neal" at Jul 11, 96 05:28:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This the full text of one of their spams from the comp.arch.fpga reflector/newsgroup ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Comp.Arch.FPGA Reflector Friday, 12 July 1996 Volume 01 : Number 596 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 ------------------------------ Message: 2 ------------------------------ Message: 3 From: hldco@cine.net (HLD PUBLISHING) Date: 11 Jul 1996 10:02:50 -0700 Subject: Is your computer being bugged???? Is your computer being monitored by someone else? Is someone using your computer without your knowledge? 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VINE ST. #1103 LOS ANGELES, CA. 90028 *All orders shipped within 48hrs. *100% Satisfaction Unconditional Money Back Guarantee. *Foreign orders add $2.00 for shipping and handling. *Due to high volume of responces all inquires should be made in writing to the above mailing address. _________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ........................................................................... Notice To: Newsgroup Moderators, Managers or Vested Interest Subscribers. Due to HLD PUBLISHING limited list of Newsgroups, it is not our policy to remove a newsgroup from our list free of charge. To be removed from our list of future commericial postings by HLD PUBLISHING COMPANY an Annual Charge of Ninety Five dollars is required. Just send $95.00 with your Name, Address and Name of the Newsgroup to be removed from our list. Mail to: HLD PUBLISHING COMPANY, 1680 NORTH VINE STREET SUITE 1103, LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA 90028. ........................................................................... Furthermore, HLD PUBLISHING COMPANY reserves the right to cancel its own postings. Cancellations of our postings performed by outside parties will be charged a Ninety Five dollar fee per cancellation. A bill with proof of cancellations made will be sent to all parties involved, plus, it will automatically be sent to Attorneys Specializing in Collections nationwide and worldwide. HLD PUBLISHING COMPANY will protect and maintain its interest. ------------------------------ Message: 4 ------------------------------ End of Comp.Arch.FPGA Reflector V1 #596 *************************************** ============================================================================= The preceding was forwarded by the Comp.Arch.FPGA reflector, a service of the Center for Computing Sciences. All opinions are those of the authors. 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Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 10:36 PM 7/11/96 +0200, Alexander Verbraeck wrote: >It becomes crazier and crazier, isn't it? PAYING to be removed from >their annoying commercial postings!!! The second someone in the US gets a bill, they ought to file a lawsuit for extortion. ------- Jone Johnson jej@wwa.com / jj@pbat.com http://www.wwa.com/~jej/ ... appreciating fast computers and modems all the more since working with borrowed equipment ... From list-managers-owner Fri Jul 12 12:53:39 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id MAA10035 for list-managers-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay3.UU.NET (relay3.UU.NET [192.48.96.8]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id MAA09994 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 12:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.his.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP Received: from [205.177.25.174] (brad.his.com [205.177.25.174]) by mail.his.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id CAA25337; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 02:43:22 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199607112036.WAA02031@duticai.twi.tudelft.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 01:03:00 -0400 To: Alexander Verbraeck From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: A spam that really makes you angry! Cc: winfave@duticai.twi.tudelft.nl Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 4:36 PM -0400 7/11/96, Alexander Verbraeck wrote: >It becomes crazier and crazier, isn't it? PAYING to be removed from >their annoying commercial postings!!! Tell them you charge $950 per copy of the above message you deliver on their behalf, but only after you see a lawyer. -- Brad Knowles, MIME/PGP: brad@his.com comp.mail.sendmail FAQ Maintainer finger brad@his.com for my PGP Public Keys and Geek Code The comp.mail.sendmail FAQ is at From list-managers-owner Fri Jul 12 14:03:30 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id NAA19453 for list-managers-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wildride.schoneal.com (wildride.schoneal.com [206.81.38.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id NAA19410 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from meo@localhost) by wildride.schoneal.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) id PAA03399 for list-managers@GreatCircle.COM; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:49:43 -0500 Message-Id: <199607122049.PAA03399@wildride.schoneal.com> Subject: Re: A spam that really makes you angry! To: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:49:42 -0500 (CDT) From: meo@schoneal.com (Miles O'Neal) Reply-To: meo@schoneal.com (Miles O'Neal) Organization: Schober O'Neal, Inc / Net Ads X-WWW-URL: http://www.schoneal.com/~meo/ X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Jone Johnson said... |>It becomes crazier and crazier, isn't it? PAYING to be removed from |>their annoying commercial postings!!! | |The second someone in the US gets a bill, they ought to file a lawsuit for |extortion. There are probably some thorny legal issues that make this far more complex than it ought to be, but my response to such a bill would be to laugh, and if they persisted, to hit them with every attorney within reach. There is no contract here! This is not even like those silly shrink-wrap licenses. This is more like I stand on the street corner and annoy people, and if anyone interferes, try to bill them $95 for it simply because I ran 4 notices within a 1 month period in the county "legal organ". If they think someone has actually wronged them, their are legal ways to deal with it. It looks like they are trying to bluff so that they lots of people will be too afraid to fight them. Or, there could be a couple of attorneys behind it, just looking to make a name for themselves and get excuses to sue everyone in sight. Not that I have anyone in particular in mind. -Miles From list-managers-owner Fri Jul 12 14:48:36 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id OAA20915 for list-managers-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 14:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.inforamp.net (Mail.InfoRamp.Net [204.191.136.66]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id OAA20871 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 14:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Widgette (ts50-13.tor.iSTAR.ca [204.191.141.193]) by mail.inforamp.net (8.7.3/8.7) with SMTP id QAA29588; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 16:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 16:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199607122053.QAA29588@mail.inforamp.net> X-Sender: dlj@inforamp.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: rick@einstein.vcc.com (Rick Sherman) From: David Lloyd-Jones Subject: Re: A spam that really makes you angry! Cc: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 08:29 AM 12/07/96 -0700, Rick Sherman wrote: >This the full text of one of their spams from the comp.arch.fpga reflector/newsgroup >Message: 3 >From: hldco@cine.net (HLD PUBLISHING) >Date: 11 Jul 1996 10:02:50 -0700 >Subject: Is your computer being bugged???? > My private collection of keyboard recorders is yours for only $9.95. Rick, That is emphatically _not_ spam. That is a very cheap offer of some very dangerous burglar's tools at a very reasonable price. If you are in the business of stealing access to other people's machines, this guy is giving you good value for money. If the LA police department have an intelligence division that is any good at all, somebody down there should sling them a copy of that message, just so they know who's on base. -dlj. From list-managers-owner Fri Jul 12 15:32:44 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id PAA02990 for list-managers-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from broccoli.graphics.cornell.edu (BROCCOLI.GRAPHICS.CORNELL.EDU [128.84.247.53]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id PAA02968 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from graphics.cornell.edu (LOCALHOST) by broccoli.graphics.cornell.edu with ESMTP Message-Id: <199607122214.AA236549650@broccoli.graphics.cornell.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 To: David Lloyd-Jones Cc: rick@einstein.vcc.com (Rick Sherman), list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: A spam that really makes you angry! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 12 Jul 1996 16:53:00 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 18:14:09 -0400 From: Mitch Collinsworth Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >> My private collection of keyboard recorders is yours for only $9.95. >That is emphatically _not_ spam. Apparently you aren't familiar with the definition of spam. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the content of the message. Spam is a message that is posted many many times, usually in many many places. This one qualified. -Mitch From list-managers-owner Fri Jul 12 18:47:41 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id SAA24857 for list-managers-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 18:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ephsa.alamo.net (ephsa.alamo.net [204.57.116.195]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id SAA24835 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 18:33:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from endicor.com (Ufezzik@localhost) by ephsa.alamo.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with UUCP id UAA06688 for list-managers@GreatCircle.com; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:25:23 -0500 Received: by fezzik.endicor.com (8.7.5/Endicor) To: list-managers@GreatCircle.com Xref: endicor.com endicor.lists.list-managers:3463 Newsgroups: endicor.lists.list-managers From: tsarna@endicor.com (Ty Sarna) Subject: Another "give us money" email spam Message-ID: Organization: Endicor Technologies, Inc., San Antonio, Texas References: <199607122049.PAA03399@wildride.schoneal.com> Date: Sat, 13 Jul 1996 01:19:46 GMT Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This isn't mailing list related, since I suspect it was sent only to private addresses. However, I thought it timely that it showed up just as this thread was starting, so I thought I might as well let folks know about it. These folks aren't demanding money, at least... they only want it if you're "good enough" for them. ----snip snip---- From: patty@cyberone.com (Patty Elliot) Message-Id: <199607122325.TAA22044@cyberone.com> Subject: Your site: ENDICOR.COM Apparently-To: tsarna@endicor.com Status: RO Dear Tyler Sarna, We are producing the national television series .com hosted by Star Wars celebrity Mark Hamill. The series airs nationally on CNBC and the Bravo Network and is all about the Internet and how it is changing the way we do business. We are reviewing storylines and Web Sites to be featured in our fall programming. We have featured stories on digital Imaging including Kodak, on-line banking with Digital Insight, and Healthful On Line Web Sites such The American Heart Association as well as many others. Please take this time to complete this brief questionnaire and we will consider your story and Web Site as a feature on the show. If the story or Web Site fits our programming requirements, one of our producers will contact you. There is a pre-production fee to participate on the show which offsets some of the pre-production costs, however we pay for all of the production and post production costs. Please allow us at least one week to review your response and your web site, Thank-you. Patty Elliot Vice President, Programming Questionnaire What is your URL: http://www. _______________________ What kind of information is available at your Web Site? What is the message you would like to communicate to the viewer? What are the most important functions of the Web Site? Who are you trying to reach? Where are you promoting now? Is your company a public or private company? How many employees are devoted to managing your web site? What sales category would your company fall? (Less then 1 mill) : (1-5 mill): (6-50 mill): (51-100 mill): (101 mill +): Who is in charge of marketing your Web Site? Name: Title: Tel: Fax: email: Address: From list-managers-owner Fri Jul 12 22:17:53 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id WAA09295 for list-managers-outgoing; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 22:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailbox.neosoft.com (mailbox.neosoft.com [206.109.1.16]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id WAA09266 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 22:02:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bonkers.taronga.com (root@bonkers.neosoft.com [206.109.2.48]) by mailbox.neosoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA10396 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 23:59:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from arielle@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id XAA12536 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 23:56:49 -0500 From: arielle@taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva) Message-Id: <199607130456.XAA12536@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: comnetcorp & thevrstore again To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 23:56:48 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Just realized I neglected to include the full header. Kind of interesting one, looks like this: From trash@comnetcorp.com Fri Jul 12 15:01:01 1996 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) with UUCP id PAA06324 for zer0-request@taronga.com; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:01:01 -0500 From: trash@comnetcorp.com Received: from uuneo.neosoft.com (uuneo.neosoft.com [206.109.1.3]) by sugar.neosoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA05227 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:03:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailbox.neosoft.com (mailbox.neosoft.com [206.109.1.16]) by uuneo.neosoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA29985 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:02:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from www.comnetcorp.com ([206.196.142.66]) by mailbox.neosoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA01114 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 15:02:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from www (127.0.0.1) by 127.0.0.1 (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.80) with SMTP id ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:10:56 -0600 Message-ID: Received: from 206.196.142.152 (206.196.142.152) (HTTP mail-response form from 206.196.142.66) with SMTP (wSendmail 1.2) X-Sender: trash@comnetcorp.com X-Mailer: wSendmail 1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:10:54 +0700 Subject: subscribe To: vrcustomers-request@thevrstore.com, ZER0-request@neosoft.com, majordomo@seatimes.com, listserv@wsyd.com, 2300ad-request@mpgn.com, 30something-request@fuggles.acc.virginia.edu, majordomo@pc.fr.flashnet.it, listserv@jhuvm.bitnet, 90210-request@ferkel.ucsb.edu, majordomo@lists.best.com, a68k-request@castrov.cuc.ab.ca, majordomo@io.com, aanews-request@listserv.atheists.org, abc-list-request@cwi.nl, majordomo@igc.apc.org, acetix@mindspring.com, listserv@latrobe.edu.au, listserv@latrobe.edu.au, acrobat-request@blueworld.com, Listserver@myth.org, listserv@mizzou1.missouri.edu, ada-belgium-request@cs.kuleuven.ac.be, ada-belgium-info-request@cs.kuleuven.ac.be, listserv@vm1.nodak.edu, majordomo@teleport.com Status: OR From list-managers-owner Sun Jul 14 20:48:12 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id UAA23933 for list-managers-outgoing; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 20:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wildride.schoneal.com (wildride.schoneal.com [206.81.38.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id UAA23919 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 20:34:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from meo@localhost) by wildride.schoneal.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) id WAA11196; Sun, 14 Jul 1996 22:33:35 -0500 Message-Id: <199607150333.WAA11196@wildride.schoneal.com> Subject: Re: Another "give us money" email spam To: tsarna@endicor.com (Ty Sarna) Date: Sun, 14 Jul 1996 22:33:35 -0500 (CDT) Cc: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: from "Ty Sarna" at Jul 13, 96 01:19:46 am From: meo@schoneal.com (Miles O'Neal) Reply-To: meo@schoneal.com (Miles O'Neal) Organization: Schober O'Neal, Inc / Net Ads X-WWW-URL: http://www.schoneal.com/~meo/ X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Ty Sarna said... | |This isn't mailing list related, since I suspect it was sent only to |private addresses. However, I thought it timely that it showed up just |as this thread was starting, so I thought I might as well let folks know |about it. These folks aren't demanding money, at least... they only |want it if you're "good enough" for them. | ... | Please take this time to complete this brief questionnaire and we will consider | your story and Web Site as a feature on the show. If the story or Web Site fits | our programming requirements, one of our producers will contact you. | | There is a pre-production fee to participate on the show which offsets some of | the pre-production costs, however we pay for all of the production and post | production costs. They sent me one (about Roadkills-R-Us), and a friend called them to check. They're real. They also wanted $8,000 for those "pre-production costs". It's only a matter of time before they start hitting list owners as well as page owners, IMO. -Miles From list-managers-owner Mon Jul 15 05:33:24 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id FAA16670 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 05:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sunams.usma.army.mil (sunams.usma.army.mil [129.29.199.3]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id FAA16660 for ; Mon, 15 Jul 1996 05:28:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 1e6244.usma.edu ([129.29.135.5]) by sunams.usma.army.mil (4.1/25-eef) Message-Id: <9607151225.AA19247@sunams.usma.army.mil> Comments: Authenticated sender is <1e6244@sunams.usma.edu> From: "Mr. Erich L. Markert" <1e6244@sunams.usma.edu> Organization: USMA, DOIM-? To: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 08:28:54 +0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: A spam that really makes you angry! Reply-To: 1e6244@sunams.usma.edu X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk You mean kinda what has been going on with all these replies to spams. I think we've had more email responses about this one message then the original message. > Apparently you aren't familiar with the definition of spam. It has > nothing whatsoever to do with the content of the message. Spam is > a message that is posted many many times, usually in many many places. > This one qualified. > > -Mitch > > > > > > -- __________________________________________________________ Mr. Erich L. Markert markert@www.usma.edu USMA Webmaster TEL (914)938-6463 Directorate of Information Management FAX (914)938-7308 United States Military Academy West Point, NY 10996 Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. -- Henry Spencer From list-managers-owner Tue Jul 16 00:57:04 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id AAA27074 for list-managers-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 00:39:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) id AAA27064 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 00:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailbox.neosoft.com (mailbox.neosoft.com [206.109.1.16]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id TAA26757 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 19:01:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bonkers.taronga.com (root@bonkers.neosoft.com [206.109.2.48]) by mailbox.neosoft.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA28918 for ; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:56:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from arielle@localhost) by bonkers.taronga.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA10270 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:53:31 -0500 From: arielle@taronga.com (Stephanie da Silva) Message-Id: <199607130153.UAA10270@bonkers.taronga.com> Subject: List abuse from thevrstore.com To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 20:53:30 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Someone is incompetently trying to subscribe to a whole lot of lists. InterNIC information from thevrstore.com appended. Haven't tried to write postmaster at either comnetcorp.com or thevrstore.com. > From trash@comnetcorp.com Fri Jul 12 15:01:01 1996 > From: trash@comnetcorp.com > Message-ID: > X-Sender: trash@comnetcorp.com > X-Mailer: wSendmail 1.2 > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:10:54 +0700 > Subject: subscribe > To: vrcustomers-request@thevrstore.com, ZER0-request@neosoft.com, > majordomo@seatimes.com, listserv@wsyd.com, 2300ad-request@mpgn.com, > 30something-request@fuggles.acc.virginia.edu, > majordomo@pc.fr.flashnet.it, listserv@jhuvm.bitnet, > 90210-request@ferkel.ucsb.edu, majordomo@lists.best.com, > a68k-request@castrov.cuc.ab.ca, majordomo@io.com, > aanews-request@listserv.atheists.org, abc-list-request@cwi.nl, > majordomo@igc.apc.org, acetix@mindspring.com, listserv@latrobe.edu.au, > listserv@latrobe.edu.au, acrobat-request@blueworld.com, > Listserver@myth.org, listserv@mizzou1.missouri.edu, > ada-belgium-request@cs.kuleuven.ac.be, > ada-belgium-info-request@cs.kuleuven.ac.be, listserv@vm1.nodak.edu, > majordomo@teleport.com > > Subscribe > _ > > Subscribe > _ > > Subscribe 2020world > _ > > Subscribe > _ > > Subscribe xboat > _ > > Subscribe > _ > > subscribe 425dxnews > _ > > Subscribe > _ > > Subscribe > _ > > subscribe a-ha > _ > > Subscribe > _ > > subscribe AAMEN > _ > > Subscribe aanews > _ > > Subscribe > _ > > subscribe abolition-caucus > _ > > subscribe mailing list > _ > > subscribe acim > _ > > Subscribe acimwkbk > _ > > Subscribe > _ > > send command SUBSCRIBE ACT > _ > > SUB ACTIV-L > _ > > Subscribe > _ > > Subscribe > _ > > Subscribe ADA-Law > _ > > subscribe add-parents-l > _ > > > whois thevrstore.com Comnet Inc (THEVRSTORE-DOM) 15600 E 19 Avenue Unit D Aurora, CO 80011 USA Domain Name: THEVRSTORE.COM Administrative Contact, Billing Contact: Scott, Tom (TS1151) postmaster@COMNETCORP.COM 303/343-8466 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Rowe, Greg (GR110) greg@USWEST.NET 612-672-8535 (FAX) (612) 672-8537 (FAX) (612)672-8537 (FAX) (612) 672-8537 Record last updated on 05-Jun-96. Record created on 11-Jan-96. Domain servers in listed order: NS1.USWEST.NET 204.147.80.5 NS2.DNVR.USWEST.NET 206.196.128.1 NS3.MN.USWEST.NET 204.147.80.1 From list-managers-owner Tue Jul 16 05:03:29 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id EAA09046 for list-managers-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 04:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FSM-1.PICA.ARMY.MIL (fsm-1.pica.army.mil [129.139.164.101]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id EAA09039 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 04:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Jul 96 7:47:43 EDT From: Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: A spam that really makes you angry! Organization: Electronics Br, PMMDD, US Army ARDEC, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ Message-ID: <9607160747.aa14924@fsm-1.pica.army.mil> Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk FWIW, these yahoos have had their account/access yanked. Tom Coradeschi, Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer http://k-whiner.pica.army.mil/info-labview/info-labview.html From list-managers-owner Tue Jul 16 05:33:22 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id FAA10726 for list-managers-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 05:25:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sacusr.mp.usbr.gov (sacusr.mp.usbr.gov [140.214.12.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id FAA10711 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 05:25:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by sacto.mp.usbr.gov (MX V4.2 VAX) id 6; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 05:22:09 PDT Date: Tue, 16 Jul 1996 05:22:05 PDT From: "Henry W. Miller" To: info-labview-request@pica.army.mil CC: list-managers@greatcircle.com, henrym@sacto.mp.usbr.gov Message-ID: <009A565F.31843AE2.6@sacto.mp.usbr.gov> Subject: Re: A spam that really makes you angry! Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > From: MX%"info-labview-request@pica.army.mil" 16-JUL-1996 05:04:37.35 > Subj: Re: A spam that really makes you angry! > FWIW, these yahoos have had their account/access yanked. > > Tom Coradeschi, Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer > > http://k-whiner.pica.army.mil/info-labview/info-labview.html Tom, Best news I've heard all week. But on the downside, anyone want to place a wager that they'll be back on the net within a week, re-spamming the same groups? Thanks for the update, though. One less thing... -HWM From list-managers-owner Tue Jul 16 16:33:42 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id QAA25699 for list-managers-outgoing; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 16:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pearl.aims.gov.AU (pearl.aims.gov.au [138.7.32.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA25650 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 16:28:33 -0700 (PDT) From: k.jones@pearl.aims.gov.AU Received: from biter.aims.gov.au by pearl.aims.gov.AU (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 08:47:00 +1000 Message-Id: <199607162247.IAA21035@pearl.aims.gov.AU> Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk From list-managers-owner Thu Jul 18 18:03:52 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id RAA11643 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 17:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) id RAA11628 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 17:40:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pearl.aims.gov.AU (pearl.aims.gov.au [138.7.32.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA25766 for ; Tue, 16 Jul 1996 16:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from biter.aims.gov.au by pearl.aims.gov.AU (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960716225215.00679948@sea.aims.gov.au> X-Sender: kjones@sea.aims.gov.au X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 17 Jul 1996 08:52:15 +1000 To: list-managers@greatcircle.com From: Kerry Jones Subject: ABORT NON-DOMAINED ADDRESS Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, I have majordomo running on one our machines, but when a user tries to subscribe from another UNIX machine within our domain they keep getting the following error.. -- MAJORDOMO ABORT NON-DOMAINED ADDRESS user@machine ...... Is there anyway I can stop this, or allow users with NON-DOMAINED addresses to subscribe... OR Is there someway I can configure sendmail on the other UNIX machines in the domain so that the full domain address is attached to any email from those machines.. ..................................................................... Kerry Jones, UNIX System Manager __ __ Australian Institute of Marine Science, / `-' ) ,,, Townsville, Australia. | [====||||||||||[:::} k.jones@aims.gov.au \__.-._\ ``` Ph: (077) 534 400 http://www.aims.gov.au/~kjones ..................................................................... From list-managers-owner Thu Jul 18 22:18:23 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id WAA29522 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 22:15:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from timon.pt.com.my (timon.pt.com.my [202.190.242.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id WAA29515 for ; Thu, 18 Jul 1996 22:15:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from yeak@localhost) by timon.pt.com.my (8.7.5/8.6.9) id NAA06098; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:19:37 +0800 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 13:19:37 +0800 (GMT+0800) From: Yeak Nai Siew To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: List-Managers-Digest V5 #149 In-Reply-To: <199607170800.BAA11182@miles.greatcircle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi there, Where can I find the latest FAQ for Majordomo? I found that my majordomo 1.93 that I installed here is not secure. Anyone send to xxx-outgoing will not get filtered by majordomo. I need to read the FAQ or some advices from experts on how to cover it. Please help. Thanks. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Yeak N.S. << Macintosh Forever >> + + http://www.mol.com.my/ yeak@mol.com.my + + http://www1.pt.com.my/~yeak/ yeak@timon.pt.com.my + + PGP fingerprint = 3A 6D 05 D3 A3 CE B8 B7 20 C3 CD 63 DE 82 73 2D + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From list-managers-owner Fri Jul 19 01:05:36 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id AAA05095 for list-managers-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 00:53:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id AAA05046 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 00:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mne.ifi.uio.no (kjetilho@mne.ifi.uio.no [129.240.70.5]) by ifi.uio.no with ESMTP (8.6.11/ifi2.4) From: Kjetil Torgrim Homme Received: (from kjetilho@localhost) by mne.ifi.uio.no ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:48:58 +0200 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 09:48:58 +0200 Message-Id: <199607190748.20917.mne.ifi.uio.no@ifi.uio.no> To: yeak@timon.pt.com.my CC: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM In-reply-to: Subject: Re: List-Managers-Digest V5 #149 Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [Yeak Nai Siew] | Where can I find the latest FAQ for Majordomo? Ask at the majordomo list. | I found that my majordomo 1.93 that I installed here is not | secure. Anyone send to xxx-outgoing will not get filtered by | majordomo. I think to make it really secure you need to hack sendmail (turn off expn) or hack Majordomo (resend) to look it up in the config file. But first you must replace all occurences of "-outgoing" in the aliases file with something site specific, like "-outboing". Probably that alone is enough to stop the spammers. Kjetil T. From list-managers-owner Fri Jul 19 05:18:59 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id FAA16848 for list-managers-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 05:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.inforamp.net (Mail.InfoRamp.Net [204.191.136.66]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id FAA16838 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 05:13:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Widgette (ts66-15.tor.iSTAR.ca [204.191.137.240]) by mail.inforamp.net (8.7.3/8.7) with SMTP id IAA06566; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 08:04:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 08:04:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199607191204.IAA06566@mail.inforamp.net> X-Sender: dlj@inforamp.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Kjetil Torgrim Homme From: David Lloyd-Jones Subject: Re: List-Managers-Digest V5 #149 Cc: yeak@timon.pt.com.my, List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 09:48 AM 19/07/96 +0200, Kjetil Torgrim Homme wrote: >[Yeak Nai Siew] > >| Where can I find the latest FAQ for Majordomo? > >Ask at the majordomo list. A listmanager's list strikes me as a perfectly legitimate place to ask that question. If Kjetil doesn't know the answer, it is not compulsory for him to post that fact to the world. -dlj. From list-managers-owner Fri Jul 19 10:39:40 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id KAA08891 for list-managers-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:32:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from digital.netvoyage.net (digital.netvoyage.net [205.162.154.10]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA08884 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (brozen@localhost) by digital.netvoyage.net (8.6.13/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA03681; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:27:50 -0700 Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 10:27:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Brock Rozen Reply-To: brozen@netvoyage.net To: David Lloyd-Jones cc: Kjetil Torgrim Homme , yeak@timon.pt.com.my Subject: Re: List-Managers-Digest V5 #149 In-Reply-To: <199607191204.IAA06566@mail.inforamp.net> Message-ID: X-URL: http://www.netvoyage.net/~brozen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Fri, 19 Jul 1996, David Lloyd-Jones wrote: > >| Where can I find the latest FAQ for Majordomo? > > > >Ask at the majordomo list. > > A listmanager's list strikes me as a perfectly legitimate place to ask that > question. If Kjetil doesn't know the answer, it is not compulsory for him to > post that fact to the world. I'm sorry, but I agree with Kjetil's attitude. The person who asked the question wouldn't have to go far for the answer, considering that Great Circle also hosts the majordomo lists AND the majordomo web site. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Brock Rozen | brozen@netvoyage.net | http://www.netvoyage.net/~brozen | ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From list-managers-owner Fri Jul 19 11:18:38 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id LAA12309 for list-managers-outgoing; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:13:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id LAA12236 for ; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 11:13:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.6.10/SMI-4.1/Brent-960123) Received: from slug.swcp.com(198.59.115.24) by mycroft via smap (V1.3mjr) Received: (from lazlo@localhost) by slug.swcp.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA19327 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Fri, 19 Jul 1996 12:08:28 -0600 Message-Id: <199607191808.MAA19327@slug.swcp.com> Subject: Re: List-Managers-Digest V5 #149 To: list-managers@greatcircle.com (lm) Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1996 12:08:27 -0600 (MDT) From: "Lazlo Nibble" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>> Where can I find the latest FAQ for Majordomo? >> >> Ask at the majordomo list. > > A listmanager's list strikes me as a perfectly legitimate place to ask > that question. >From the list intro message: > This list is for discussions of issues related to managing Internet > mailing lists, including (but not limited to) methods, mechanisms, > techniques, policies, and software (in general; questions about --------------- > specific software packages should be directed to the mailing list ----------------------------------------------------------------- > dedicated to that particular package). ------------------------------------ > > Technical questions regarding particular software packages (for > instance, Majordomo, LISTPROC, ListServ, etc.) are NOT appropriate > for the List-Managers mailing list. They should be directed to the > mailing list dedicated to that particular package (for instance, > for Majordomo, that's Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM). Check the ----------------------------------------------------- > documentation that came with the package to find out where the support > list for that package is hosted. Everyone gets a copy of this message when they join. If we don't even follow the guidelines for our own discussion list, how on earth can we expect the people who subscribe to the lists *we* run to do it? -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) From list-managers-owner Sat Jul 20 07:23:26 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id HAA27540 for list-managers-outgoing; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 07:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from northstar.state.mn.us (northstar.state.mn.us [156.99.41.200]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id HAA27533 for ; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 07:15:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from clift@localhost) by northstar.state.mn.us (8.7.1/8.7.1) id JAA12583; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 09:13:26 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 09:13:25 -0500 (CDT) From: Steven Clift X-Sender: clift@northstar To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: E-list connections to WWW Conferencing In-Reply-To: <199607200800.BAA11677@miles.greatcircle.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Greetings, What kinds of opinions do people have about ways to link WWW conferencing systems to e-mail lists? I run about 8 e-lists and I remain skeptical about the passive nature of WWW and its ability to retain an audience for online conferencing, but find lots of interest in WWW conferencing from higher up where I work and elsewhere. My thought is that killer ap for WWW conferencing will be the ability to personalize various e-mail reminders in the form of posting digests, subject line collections to bring you back, etc.. Is anyone aware of such an implementation? I am also, curious about mail to newsgroups lessons. The GOVNEWS effort (http://www.govnews.org/govnews/) plans some e-mail gateways and noting my non-technical background, I keep asking about how we can best do this and whether we can offer the subject line hook I mentioned above or digest versions as well as messages as they are posted. Thanks, Steven Clift State of Minnesota http://www.state.mn.us Listowner, PUBPOL-L, GOV-NET, MN-GOV-NORTHSTAR, etc. From list-managers-owner Sun Jul 21 11:48:35 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id LAA13252 for list-managers-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 11:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from franklin.seas.gwu.edu (franklin.seas.gwu.edu [128.164.9.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id LAA13244 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 11:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from felix.seas.gwu.edu (root@felix.seas.gwu.edu [128.164.9.3]) by franklin.seas.gwu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id OAA13680 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 14:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gypsy.seas.gwu.edu (sheryl@gypsy [128.164.2.10]) by felix.seas.gwu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA02531 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 14:40:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Sheryl Coppenger Received: by gypsy.seas.gwu.edu id AA09760; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 14:40:32 -0400 Message-Id: <9607211840.AA09760@gypsy.seas.gwu.edu> Subject: Bizarre mail dumped in my postmaster box To: List-Managers@greatcircle.com Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 14:40:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, Did anybody else get a flood of mail like this over the weekend? I'm not even sure what it was. The "to" and "from" address weren't us, but I wonder if someone was trying to get a "list of all lists" and messed up. BTW, even though the examples here are for majordomo and listserv, we only use listproc locally. There was a similar bounce for listproc. >From MAILER-DAEMON@franklin.seas.gwu.edu Sun Jul 21 05:05:25 1996 Received: from localhost (localhost) by franklin.seas.gwu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with internal id FAA11297; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 05:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 05:05:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: 5.6: host not found) Message-Id: <199607210905.FAA11297@franklin.seas.gwu.edu> To: postmaster@franklin.seas.gwu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="FAA11297.837939925/franklin.seas.gwu.edu" Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) This is a MIME-encapsulated message --FAA11297.837939925/franklin.seas.gwu.edu The original message was received at Sun, 21 Jul 1996 05:05:25 -0400 (EDT) from localhost ----- The following addresses have delivery notifications ----- <1@5.6> (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 <1@5.6>... Host unknown (Name server: 5.6: host not found) MAILER-DAEMON... expanded to multiple addresses postmaster... expanded to multiple addresses --FAA11297.837939925/franklin.seas.gwu.edu Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; franklin.seas.gwu.edu Arrival-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 05:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Final-Recipient: RFC822; 1@5.6 Action: failed Status: 5.1.2 Remote-MTA: DNS; 5.6 Last-Attempt-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 05:05:25 -0400 (EDT) --FAA11297.837939925/franklin.seas.gwu.edu Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: MAILER-DAEMON Received: from localhost (localhost) by franklin.seas.gwu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with internal id FAD11252; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 05:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 05:05:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: vm3090.ege.edu.tr: no data known) Message-Id: <199607210905.FAD11252@franklin.seas.gwu.edu> To: <1@5.6> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="FAD11252.837939925/franklin.seas.gwu.edu" Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) This is a MIME-encapsulated message --FAD11252.837939925/franklin.seas.gwu.edu The original message was received at Sat, 20 Jul 1996 04:17:47 -0400 (EDT) from ts2-105.intercall.com [207.77.25.105] ----- The following addresses have delivery notifications ----- (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... Deferred: Connection timed out with usis.com. ... Deferred: Connection refused by www.badgerherald.com. ... Deferred: Connection timed out with dawn.hampshire.edu. ... Deferred: Connection timed out with ns1.pacers.org. ... Deferred: Connection timed out with schoolofvisualarts.edu. ... Deferred: Connection reset by peer with smtp.umsat.edu. ... Deferred: Connection timed out with aix1.rz.uni-landau.de. ... Deferred: Connection refused by mail.universitybooks.com. ... Deferred: Connection refused by csi0.csi.uottawa.ca. 550 ... Host unknown (Name server: vm3090.ege.edu.tr: no data known) ... Deferred: Connection timed out with ysub.ysu.edu. --FAD11252.837939925/franklin.seas.gwu.edu Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; franklin.seas.gwu.edu Arrival-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 04:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Final-Recipient: RFC822; majordomo@vm3090.ege.edu.tr Action: failed Status: 5.1.2 Remote-MTA: DNS; vm3090.ege.edu.tr Last-Attempt-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 05:05:25 -0400 (EDT) --FAD11252.837939925/franklin.seas.gwu.edu Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: 1@5.6 Received: from [207.77.25.105] (ts2-105.intercall.com [207.77.25.105]) by franklin.seas.gwu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id EAA03805; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 04:17:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: 1@5.6 (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 04:42:00 -0500 To: cathy@kjl.com From: majordomo@kjl.com lists --FAD11252.837939925/franklin.seas.gwu.edu-- --FAA11297.837939925/franklin.seas.gwu.edu-- >From MAILER-DAEMON@franklin.seas.gwu.edu Sun Jul 21 05:05:24 1996 Received: from localhost (localhost) by franklin.seas.gwu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with internal id FAA11290; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 05:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 05:05:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: 5.6: host not found) Message-Id: <199607210905.FAA11290@franklin.seas.gwu.edu> To: postmaster@franklin.seas.gwu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="FAA11290.837939924/franklin.seas.gwu.edu" Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) This is a MIME-encapsulated message --FAA11290.837939924/franklin.seas.gwu.edu The original message was received at Sun, 21 Jul 1996 05:05:24 -0400 (EDT) from localhost ----- The following addresses have delivery notifications ----- <1@5.6> (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 <1@5.6>... Host unknown (Name server: 5.6: host not found) MAILER-DAEMON... expanded to multiple addresses postmaster... expanded to multiple addresses --FAA11290.837939924/franklin.seas.gwu.edu Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; franklin.seas.gwu.edu Arrival-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 05:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Final-Recipient: RFC822; 1@5.6 Action: failed Status: 5.1.2 Remote-MTA: DNS; 5.6 Last-Attempt-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 05:05:24 -0400 (EDT) --FAA11290.837939924/franklin.seas.gwu.edu Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: MAILER-DAEMON Received: from localhost (localhost) by franklin.seas.gwu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with internal id FAC11252; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 05:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 05:05:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: vm3090.ege.edu.tr: no data known) Message-Id: <199607210905.FAC11252@franklin.seas.gwu.edu> To: <1@5.6> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="FAC11252.837939924/franklin.seas.gwu.edu" Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) This is a MIME-encapsulated message --FAC11252.837939924/franklin.seas.gwu.edu The original message was received at Sat, 20 Jul 1996 05:23:21 -0400 (EDT) from ts2-105.intercall.com [207.77.25.105] ----- The following addresses have delivery notifications ----- (unrecoverable error) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... 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Deferred: Connection timed out with ysub.ysu.edu. --FAC11252.837939924/franklin.seas.gwu.edu Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; franklin.seas.gwu.edu Arrival-Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 05:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Final-Recipient: RFC822; listserv@vm3090.ege.edu.tr Action: failed Status: 5.1.2 Remote-MTA: DNS; vm3090.ege.edu.tr Last-Attempt-Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 05:05:24 -0400 (EDT) --FAC11252.837939924/franklin.seas.gwu.edu Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: 1@5.6 Received: from [207.77.25.105] (ts2-105.intercall.com [207.77.25.105]) by franklin.seas.gwu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id FAA03998; Sat, 20 Jul 1996 05:23:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: 1@5.6 (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 05:40:17 -0500 To: cathy@kjl.com From: listserv@kjl.com lists --FAC11252.837939924/franklin.seas.gwu.edu-- --FAA11290.837939924/franklin.seas.gwu.edu-- -- Sheryl Coppenger SEAS Computing Facility Staff sheryl@seas.gwu.edu The George Washington University (202) 994-6853 http://www.seas.gwu.edu/staff/sheryl From list-managers-owner Sun Jul 21 13:18:28 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id NAA16468 for list-managers-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 13:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wubios.wustl.edu (wubios.wustl.edu [128.252.117.1]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id NAA16461 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 13:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from phil@localhost) by wubios.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9) id PAA10280; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 15:08:49 -0500 From: "J. Philip Miller" Message-Id: <199607212008.PAA10280@wubios.wustl.edu> Subject: good ISP To: List-managers@GreatCircle.com (List Managers List) Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 15:08:48 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk For one of the lists that I am involved in (for leaders in a professional organization) we have come to realize that we need to have all of our subscribers be able to have access to the web as well as simple e-mail. Since a number of them do not currently have browser capibilities we need to provide that for them. They are located throughout the US, but usually in metropolitan areas. The number who do not have current capibilities is perhaps 20. I am wondering if anyone has a good recommendation for a single, all US ISP, I wish you would drop me a line and I will summarize for the list. I hesitate to recommend folks like MCI and AT&T since they seem so clueless in handling mailing list mail, e.g. error messsages that do not identify the recepient, that I am concerned about what else I will find. -phil -- J. Philip Miller, Professor, Division of Biostatistics, Box 8067 Washington University Medical School, St. Louis MO 63110 phil@wubios.WUstl.edu - (314) 362-3617 [362-2693(FAX)] http://www.biostat.wustl.edu/~phil From list-managers-owner Sun Jul 21 15:18:41 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id PAA20378 for list-managers-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 15:09:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outlawnet.com ([204.245.248.202]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id PAA20336 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 15:08:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [204.157.74.110] ([204.157.74.110]) by outlawnet.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA11923; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 15:07:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: garyb@outlawnet.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 15:05:56 -0700 To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM From: garyb@fxt.com (Gary Bickford) Subject: Re: E-list connections to WWW Conferencing Cc: clift@northstar.state.mn.us Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk You might look at NetForum (http://www.biostat.wisc.edu/netforum) - or you can look at http://www.informat.com/politics.html (Maine has some traffic) - in fact, I'd like everybody to pass the word about these forums on the 96 elections - one for each state - I'd like to have discussions on all candidates & local issues. NetForum 2.0 (see http://www.lancair.com for a new example) is very easy to set up and maintain. I believe there is an e-list connection capability, but I haven't used it. As far as news/mail gateways, check out newsgate. I don't have a URL for that. gb >From: Steven Clift >Subject: E-list connections to WWW Conferencing > >Greetings, > >What kinds of opinions do people have about ways to link WWW conferencing >systems to e-mail lists? > >I run about 8 e-lists and I remain skeptical >about the passive nature of WWW and its ability to retain an audience for >online conferencing, but find lots of interest in WWW conferencing from >higher up where I work and elsewhere. My thought is that killer ap for >WWW conferencing will be the ability to personalize various e-mail >reminders in the form of posting digests, subject line collections to >bring you back, etc.. Is anyone aware of such an implementation? From list-managers-owner Sun Jul 21 17:48:33 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id RAA23638 for list-managers-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 17:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (Sina.HPC.UH.EDU [129.7.3.5]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id RAA23631 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 17:41:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sina.hpc.uh.edu (tibbs@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sina.hpc.uh.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA06113; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 19:38:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199607220038.TAA06113@sina.hpc.uh.edu> To: sheryl@seas.gwu.edu Cc: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Bizarre mail dumped in my postmaster box In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 21 Jul 1996 14:40:31 -0400 (EDT)" References: <9607211840.AA09760@gypsy.seas.gwu.edu> X-Mailer: Mew beta version 0.98 on Emacs 19.30.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 21 Jul 1996 19:38:52 -0500 From: Jason L Tibbitts III Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >>>>> "SC" == Sheryl Coppenger writes: SC> Did anybody else get a flood of mail like this over the weekend? I'm SC> not even sure what it was. The "to" and "from" address weren't us, but SC> I wonder if someone was trying to get a "list of all lists" and messed SC> up. It looks like someone was forging messages through you, or at least using you as an SMTP forwarder. Has GWU been used for this purpose in the past? I seem to remember that for some reason, but I'm probably just confused. I'm sure this has been discussed here before, but what's the generally accepted method for keeping Sendmail from acting as a forwarder for anyone who talks to port 25? - J< From list-managers-owner Sun Jul 21 23:48:32 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id XAA03616 for list-managers-outgoing; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 23:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail (mail.milwaukee.tec.wi.us [148.8.128.21]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id XAA03609 for ; Sun, 21 Jul 1996 23:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cppp25.milwaukee.tec.wi.us (cppp25.milwaukee.tec.wi.us [148.8.128.86]) by mail (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA08523 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 01:43:19 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 01:43:19 -0500 Message-Id: <199607220643.BAA08523@mail> X-Sender: krahna@milwaukee.tec.wi.us X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM From: krahna@milwaukee.tec.wi.us (Albert E. Krahn) Subject: Other mailing lists Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >See below: > >>From the list intro message: > >> This list is for discussions of issues related to managing Internet >> mailing lists, including (but not limited to) methods, mechanisms, >> techniques, policies, and software (in general; questions about > --------------- >> specific software packages should be directed to the mailing list > ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> dedicated to that particular package). > ------------------------------------ >> >> Technical questions regarding particular software packages (for >> instance, Majordomo, LISTPROC, ListServ, etc.) are NOT appropriate >> for the List-Managers mailing list. They should be directed to the >> mailing list dedicated to that particular package (for instance, >> for Majordomo, that's Majordomo-Users@GreatCircle.COM). Check the >> documentation that came with the package to find out where the support >> list for that package is hosted. ---------------- >Everyone gets a copy of this message when they join. If we don't even follow >the guidelines for our own discussion list, how on earth can we expect >the people who subscribe to the lists *we* run to do it? > >- -- >::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) -------------- > Lazlo Sure, that's what it says. But to be really helpful, because everyone who manages a list uses ONE of the software packages, it might be real service to provide the addresses of the list for each package each time in addition to the other information you provide now with digests. Also, you might put this at the TOP of your introductory information so people will recall that they saw it. Providing the information might be more useful and avoid these questions coming up all the time, as they do, instead of wasting time scolding. What do you say? akra Al Krahn English Department Milwaukee Area Technical College 700 W. State St. Milwaukee WI 53233 W414/297-6519 H /476-4025 KRAHNA@MILWAUKEE.TEC.WI.US F /297-7990 Owner, PUNCT-L: a mailing list for the practical and theoretical discussion of punctuation. Send for logon instructions. From list-managers-owner Mon Jul 22 09:10:37 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id JAA01437 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA01174 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:00:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.6.10/SMI-4.1/Brent-960123) Received: from franklin.seas.gwu.edu(128.164.9.2) by mycroft via smap (V1.3mjr) Received: from felix.seas.gwu.edu (root@felix.seas.gwu.edu [128.164.9.3]) by franklin.seas.gwu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id LAA24500 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 11:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gypsy.seas.gwu.edu (sheryl@gypsy [128.164.2.10]) by felix.seas.gwu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA24789 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 11:37:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Sheryl Coppenger Received: by gypsy.seas.gwu.edu id AA15654; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 11:37:53 -0400 Message-Id: <9607221537.AA15654@gypsy.seas.gwu.edu> Subject: duh... To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 11:37:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, More about that strange email. I was out Friday with a cold and still was in a Nyquil haze on Sunday when I checked in and found all that email. It just occurred to me that the "From" and "To" addresses on that email are addresses @kjl.com which of course is KrazyKevin's domain. I sent email and a sample of the spam to postmaster at intercall.com, which seems to be the site that sent the email to us. I also cleaned a few stragglers out of our queue. I'll let you know if I get a positive response from intercall.com. Otherwise you might want to be suspicious of email coming from them for a while. I'd better go check out the net-abuse newsgroup and see if our name is being taken in vain over there... -- Sheryl Coppenger SEAS Computing Facility Staff sheryl@seas.gwu.edu The George Washington University (202) 994-6853 http://www.seas.gwu.edu/staff/sheryl From list-managers-owner Mon Jul 22 09:17:46 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id JAA00384 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:11:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id JAA02981 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 09:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.6.10/SMI-4.1/Brent-960123) Received: from franklin.seas.gwu.edu(128.164.9.2) by mycroft via smap (V1.3mjr) Received: from felix.seas.gwu.edu (root@felix.seas.gwu.edu [128.164.9.3]) by franklin.seas.gwu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA23252 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gypsy.seas.gwu.edu (sheryl@gypsy [128.164.2.10]) by felix.seas.gwu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id KAA18066 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:37:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Sheryl Coppenger Received: by gypsy.seas.gwu.edu id AA14387; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:37:11 -0400 Message-Id: <9607221437.AA14387@gypsy.seas.gwu.edu> Subject: Re: Bizarre mail dumped in my postmaster box To: List-Managers@greatcircle.com Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:37:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > > SC> Did anybody else get a flood of mail like this over the weekend? I'm > SC> not even sure what it was. The "to" and "from" address weren't us, but > SC> I wonder if someone was trying to get a "list of all lists" and messed > SC> up. > > It looks like someone was forging messages through you, or at least using > you as an SMTP forwarder. Has GWU been used for this purpose in the past? > I seem to remember that for some reason, but I'm probably just confused. Yes, we were used this way by KrazyKevin back in the winter. I was afraid this might be something like that, but the fact that it was "lists" rather than sending out email threw me. Isn't/wasn't there some server at one point that would give a list of all lists? > I'm sure this has been discussed here before, but what's the generally > accepted method for keeping Sendmail from acting as a forwarder for anyone > who talks to port 25? Apparently the only way is to hack sendmail or to switch to another MTA. I was hoping to do one or the other long before now (or hire someone to do that) but it hasn't happened yet. -- Sheryl Coppenger SEAS Computing Facility Staff sheryl@seas.gwu.edu The George Washington University (202) 994-6853 http://www.seas.gwu.edu/staff/sheryl From list-managers-owner Mon Jul 22 11:23:37 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id KAA12101 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA10058 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.6.10/SMI-4.1/Brent-960123) Received: from mail.his.com(205.177.25.9) by mycroft via smap (V1.3mjr) Received: from [205.177.25.174] (brad.his.com [205.177.25.174]) by mail.his.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id EAA26027; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 04:28:30 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199607220038.TAA06113@sina.hpc.uh.edu> References: Your message of "Sun, 21 Jul 1996 14:40:31 -0400 (EDT)" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 04:05:33 -0400 To: Jason L Tibbitts III , sheryl@seas.gwu.edu From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: Bizarre mail dumped in my postmaster box Cc: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 8:38 PM -0400 7/21/96, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: >I'm sure this has been discussed here before, but what's the generally >accepted method for keeping Sendmail from acting as a forwarder for anyone >who talks to port 25? For sendmail 8.6.x and later, there is a routine in the source code called "check_compat()" that gets called with both the sender and recipient address information, and it was intended that local sites would use it to determine whether a particular sender was allowed to send mail to a particular recipient, etc.... Skeleton code for check_compat() to refuse to act as a mail relay is available in the book _sendmail_ by Bryan Costales, published by O'Reilly & Associates. Improvements in check_compat are coming, but I can't say a whole lot about them until the code is officially into public beta. -- Brad Knowles, MIME/PGP: brad@his.com comp.mail.sendmail FAQ Maintainer finger brad@his.com for my PGP Public Keys and Geek Code The comp.mail.sendmail FAQ is at From list-managers-owner Mon Jul 22 11:37:39 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id LAA15853 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 11:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA05081 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.6.10/SMI-4.1/Brent-960123) Message-Id: <199607221236.FAA13973@mycroft.GreatCircle.COM> Received: from e-mail.com(199.171.26.5) by mycroft via smap (V1.3mjr) Received: from us.ibm.com by E-MAIL.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 7940; Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 08:40:37 EDT From: jcanterbury@us.ibm.com To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM X-Sender-Info: Jerry L. Canterbury t/l 372-3302 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: List Spammer: Brock800m@aol.com Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Just an FYI, this person joined our mailing list and immediately spammed it with a commercial post. If you see him sign up on yours, you should delete him immediately until he clarifies his intentions. Jerry Canterbury, Buckeye Consulting Internet: jcanterbury@us.ibm.com or jcanterb@worldweb.net Home Page: http://www.worldweb.net/~jcanterb Find great info at: http://www.greedwatch.com From list-managers-owner Mon Jul 22 23:51:00 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id XAA12507 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 23:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) id XAA12499 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 23:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from psyche.mit.edu (PSYCHE.MIT.EDU [18.88.0.85]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id QAA01292 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 16:51:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from starr.mit.edu.mit.edu by psyche.mit.edu (4.1/DA1.0.4) Date: Mon, 22 Jul 96 19:48:05 EDT From: Eric Loeb Message-Id: <9607222348.AA15128@psyche.mit.edu> To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: special versions of majordomo software? Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have usually had no trouble with Majordomo, but I'm finding that one list in particular is impossible to get away from. Has anybody here run across versions that do not allow users to unsubscribe? Observe the following dialogue: > From Majordomo-Owner@GreatCircle.COM Fri Jul 19 15:02:18 1996 > To: loeb@psyche.mit.edu > Subject: Majordomo results > Reply-To: Majordomo@GreatCircle.COM > > -- > > >>>> which loeb > The string 'loeb' appears in the following > entries in lists served by Majordomo@GreatCircle.COM: > > List Address > ==== ======= > list-managers loeb@starr.mit.edu > > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> unsubscribe list-managers loeb@starr.mit.edu > >>>> This dialogue (and the above quoted is not the first or last example) is followed by continued mail from the list: > > From list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Sun Jul 21 18:24:20 1996 etc Has anybody else seen this problem before? The user has been made more eager to remove himself from the list in question by his apparent inability to do so. thanks, Eric Loeb From list-managers-owner Tue Jul 23 00:04:10 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id XAA12455 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 23:21:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) id XAA12418 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 23:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA09929 for ; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 10:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.6.10/SMI-4.1/Brent-960123) Received: from mail.his.com(205.177.25.9) by mycroft via smap (V1.3mjr) Received: from [205.177.25.174] (brad.his.com [205.177.25.174]) by mail.his.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id EAA26032; Mon, 22 Jul 1996 04:28:35 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960716225215.00679948@sea.aims.gov.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 22 Jul 1996 04:07:41 -0400 To: Kerry Jones , list-managers@greatcircle.com From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: ABORT NON-DOMAINED ADDRESS Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 6:52 PM -0400 7/16/96, Kerry Jones wrote: >I have majordomo running on one our machines, but when a user tries to >subscribe from another UNIX machine within our domain they keep getting the >following error.. > >-- > >MAJORDOMO ABORT > >NON-DOMAINED ADDRESS user@machine If you're using sendmail 8.6.x or later on the offending machine, put "FEATURE(always_add_domain)" in your sendmail.mc file and then regenerate your sendmail.cf with m4. Move it into place, restart the sendmail daemon, and you're done. -- Brad Knowles, MIME/PGP: brad@his.com comp.mail.sendmail FAQ Maintainer finger brad@his.com for my PGP Public Keys and Geek Code The comp.mail.sendmail FAQ is at From list-managers-owner Tue Jul 23 00:47:50 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id AAA14246 for list-managers-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 00:32:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ifi.uio.no (ifi.uio.no [129.240.64.2]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id AAA14239 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 00:32:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mne.ifi.uio.no (1232@mne.ifi.uio.no [129.240.70.5]) by ifi.uio.no with ESMTP (8.6.11/ifi2.4) From: Kjetil Torgrim Homme Received: (from kjetilho@localhost) by mne.ifi.uio.no ; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:29:28 +0200 Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:29:28 +0200 Message-Id: <199607230729.23848.mne.ifi.uio.no@ifi.uio.no> To: brad@his.com CC: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM In-reply-to: (message from Brad Subject: Re: Bizarre mail dumped in my postmaster box Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk [Brad Knowles] | For sendmail 8.6.x and later, there is a routine in the source | code called "check_compat()" that gets called with both the sender | and recipient address information, and it was intended that local | sites would use it to determine whether a particular sender was | allowed to send mail to a particular recipient, etc.... In general, I wish to allow people to use my host as a relay. Lately, the moneyworld.com people has been using it, and I don't much appreciate that. Problem is that they set the sender to <>, and the From: to a bogus address. So what I need is really a builtin tcp-wrapper (like that often used in inetd[*]), so that I can block hosts/nets by IP-address. Anyone know of a suitable fix? [*] Running sendmail from inetd is not an option. Kjetil T. From list-managers-owner Tue Jul 23 09:47:41 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id JAA05995 for list-managers-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hamp.hampshire.edu (hamp.hampshire.edu [192.33.12.137]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with ESMTP id JAA05939 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 09:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [206.150.72.11] (noho-pm104.javanet.com [206.150.72.14]) by hamp.hampshire.edu (8.7.3/8.7.3) with ESMTP id MAA24809 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199607200800.BAA11677@miles.greatcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 12:51:00 -0500 To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM From: Michelle Murrain Subject: Re: List-Managers-Digest V5 #151 Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 1:00 AM -0700 7/20/96, "Lazlo Nibble" quotes the list intro message: > >> This list is for discussions of issues related to managing Internet >> mailing lists, including (but not limited to) methods, mechanisms, >> techniques, policies, and software (in general; questions about > --------------- >> specific software packages should be directed to the mailing list > ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> dedicated to that particular package). > ------------------------------------ Really, now. Aren't we being a bit narrowminded here? The followup question certainly might be better directed at the majordomo list, but asking for the location of an FAQ of one of several mailing list packages seems quite appropriate for this list. In any event, here's the answer: http://www.math.psu.edu/barr/majordomo-faq.html Michelle ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Michelle Murrain, Ph.D. mpmNS@hamp.hampshire.edu Home page URL -> http://persephone.hampshire.edu/~mpm Minority Health listowner (minhlth-request@family.hampshire.edu) Health Matrix listowner (hmatrix-l-request@persephone.hampshire.edu) sci.med.aids FAQ maintainer/co-moderator (http://family.hampshire.edu/aidsfaq/aidsfaq.html) From list-managers-owner Tue Jul 23 10:21:27 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id KAA08187 for list-managers-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 10:08:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from llama.swcp.com (llama.swcp.com [198.59.115.19]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id KAA08161 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 10:08:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from lazlo@localhost) by llama.swcp.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA22789 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:05:16 -0600 Message-Id: <199607231705.LAA22789@llama.swcp.com> Subject: special versions of majordomo software? To: list-managers@greatcircle.com (lm) Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 11:05:15 -0600 (MDT) From: "Lazlo Nibble" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25 PGP3 *ALPHA*] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > I have usually had no trouble with Majordomo, but I'm finding that > one list in particular is impossible to get away from. > > Has anybody else seen this problem before? > The user has been made more eager to remove himself from the list in > question by his apparent inability to do so. Yes. This often happens when a user joins a list from one address and then attempts to leave from a subtly different one, expecting that the list manager has nothing better to do than immediately jump on any unresolvable administrative requests that might result. My usual approach is to remind the user that such problems are usually solved much faster by notifying the list admin than they are by whining to the list itself. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) From list-managers-owner Tue Jul 23 20:32:28 1996 Received: (majordom@localhost) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.1-lists/Lists-960417-1) id UAA22302 for list-managers-outgoing; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 20:30:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.his.com (mail.his.com [205.177.25.9]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.7.4/Miles-951221-1) with SMTP id UAA22286 for ; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 20:30:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [205.177.25.174] (brad.his.com [205.177.25.174]) by mail.his.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id XAA24938; Tue, 23 Jul 1996 23:27:10 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199607221236.FAA13973@mycroft.GreatCircle.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 23 Jul 1996 22:59:57 -0400 To: jcanterbury@us.ibm.com, List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM From: Brad Knowles Subject: Re: List Spammer: Brock800m@aol.com Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 8:40 AM -0400 7/22/96, jcanterbury@us.ibm.com wrote: >Just an FYI, this person joined our mailing list and immediately spammed >it with a commercial post. Have you forwarded this note to "abuse@aol.com"? They're pretty conscientious about nuking accounts of spammers/junkmailers like this sooner rather than later.... -- Brad Knowles, MIME/PGP: brad@his.com comp.mail.sendmail