From owner-list-managers-outgoing Sun Aug 3 20:17:05 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id TAA18236 for list-managers-outgoing; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 19:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id TAA18026 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 1997 19:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anago.wwa.com by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.8.5/SMI-4.1/Brent-970426) id MAA01959; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 12:29:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: From: dattier@wwa.com (David W. Tamkin) Subject: delightful new error message To: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Date: Sat, 2 Aug 1997 14:29:43 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This one is just wonderful. The user in question has been a list member for at least a year with no email troubles until today. Now her site sends me this: Your message was not delivered to the following recipients: [logname deleted]: User does not have an email address Comment withheld. From owner-list-managers-outgoing Mon Aug 4 04:02:24 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id DAA15284 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 03:57:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from frege.math.ethz.ch (frege-d-math-north-g-west.math.ethz.ch [129.132.145.3]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id DAA15224 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 03:57:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vaden.math.ethz.ch (bollow@vaden [129.132.146.136]) by frege.math.ethz.ch (8.6.12/Main-STAT-mailer) with ESMTP id MAA03805; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 12:56:57 +0200 Received: (bollow@localhost) by vaden.math.ethz.ch (8.6.9/D-MATH-client) id MAA06884; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 12:56:56 +0200 Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 12:56:56 +0200 Message-Id: <199708041056.MAA06884@vaden.math.ethz.ch> From: Norbert Bollow To: greek-questions@genesis.acu.edu Cc: list-managers@greatcircle.com, moderators@genesis.acu.edu Cc: "David Barker" Cc: postmaster@andromeda.ndirect.co.uk Subject: Mailing list loop broken! Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Greetings, everyone! Sorry about the recent loop on the greek-questions mailing list! The loop has been broken now, and I've purged all looped messages from the mailqueue, so you should not received any further looped messages from now on. The culprit that caused this loop is the host andromeda.ndirect.co.uk [194.74.254.17] No further messages from this host will be accepted by any of the mailing lists hosted on genesis.acu.edu; in addition precautions have been taken which protect all our lists from this particlar type of loop. Special apologies to David Barker whose address I have removed from the greek-questions mailing list because of this incident! David Barker, you're welcome to subscribe to the mailing list again as soon as you have switched to a more responsible e-mail provider, or as soon as your current e-mail provider has sent me satisfactory financial recompensation for the considerable hassle caused by this mailing list loop. May blessings from the eternal God surprise and overtake you! Norbert. From owner-list-managers-outgoing Mon Aug 4 05:03:29 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id EAA21555 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 04:49:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from denicser.let.ruu.nl (denicser.let.ruu.nl [131.211.194.35]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id EAA21430 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 04:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jeroen@localhost) by denicser.let.ruu.nl (8.8.5/8.8.3/JEvW) with SMTP id NAA23597 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 13:49:13 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 13:49:11 +0200 (MET DST) From: Jeroen Schipper Reply-To: Jeroen Schipper To: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: LPC@LF.net / tpcspool ? In-Reply-To: <199708041056.MAA06884@vaden.math.ethz.ch> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, Does anyone on this list recognize this? ~From: tpc@LF.net ~To: freaks@ax.com ~Cc: tpcspool@LF.net ~Subject: access denied for ID <199708040915.CAA14296@odin.ax.com> from ~495113360956 Your access to the remote printer server was denied. To discuss why, and for possible restoration of access, please reply to this message. I get a couple of those everyday mailed to my mailinglist address (1500+), each time a digest comes out. It seems like someone automatically forwards the digest to some remote printer. I filter them out, of course. I have talked to the people @lf.net a couple of times and they simply tell me to remove "tpc@lf.net" from the subscriber-base. Of course, it isn't there. I asked on the list but no replies... I did more research, but nothing. Can't seem to get rid of it. Does anyone have similiar experiences? What to do about it? This is going on for months now and I'm getting tired of it. Thanks, Jeroen -- :: Jeroen.Schipper@let.ruu.nl :: Utrecht University, Faculty of Arts, The Netherlands :: Office: KNG80, k2.07 / Phone/fax: +31(30) 253 6031 / 9191 From owner-list-managers-outgoing Mon Aug 4 06:05:49 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA29440 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 06:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pentioum90.silverquick.com (mail.omegaweb.co.uk [194.205.38.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with SMTP id FAA29312 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 05:59:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [194.205.38.50] by pentioum90.silverquick.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id pa192753 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 14:04:06 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19970804140058.00686cf0@post.silverquick.com> X-Sender: gordon@post.silverquick.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 14:01:00 +0100 To: Jeroen Schipper From: Gordon Burns Subject: Re: LPC@LF.net / tpcspool ? Cc: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk This is an email to fax service. http://www.tpc.int/tpcfaq.html Someone has subscribed a forward mail address to a fax machine it may be that some poor recipient is getting his fax machine cluttered up with your list messages without knowing here they are coming from. If you are getting fails for only some messages it may be that it has exceed the limit of faxes to that number in the time period. eg 25 in one hour. Gordon Burns At 13:49 04/08/97 +0200 Jeroen Schipper said.... > >Hi, > >Does anyone on this list recognize this? > > ~From: tpc@LF.net > ~To: freaks@ax.com > ~Cc: tpcspool@LF.net > ~Subject: access denied for ID <199708040915.CAA14296@odin.ax.com> from > ~495113360956 > > Your access to the remote printer server was denied. To discuss why, > and for possible restoration of access, please reply to this message. > >I get a couple of those everyday mailed to my mailinglist address (1500+), >each time a digest comes out. It seems like someone automatically forwards >the digest to some remote printer. I filter them out, of course. > >I have talked to the people @lf.net a couple of times and they simply tell >me to remove "tpc@lf.net" from the subscriber-base. Of course, it isn't >there. I asked on the list but no replies... I did more research, but >nothing. Can't seem to get rid of it. > >Does anyone have similiar experiences? What to do about it? This is going >on for months now and I'm getting tired of it. > >Thanks, > >Jeroen > >-- >:: Jeroen.Schipper@let.ruu.nl >:: Utrecht University, Faculty of Arts, The Netherlands >:: Office: KNG80, k2.07 / Phone/fax: +31(30) 253 6031 / 9191 > > > From owner-list-managers-outgoing Mon Aug 4 07:05:37 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id GAA05496 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 06:49:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (mycroft.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.35]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id GAA05464 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 06:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.telephonet.com by mycroft.GreatCircle.COM (8.8.5/SMI-4.1/Brent-970426) id GAA00193; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 06:45:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.254.96.49] (vjs.telephonet.com [207.254.96.49]) by ns.telephonet.com (8.8.6/8.6.9) with ESMTP id JAA17563; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 09:49:20 -0400 X-Sender: humour@humournet.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199708041056.MAA06884@vaden.math.ethz.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Organization: Little to None X-Mailer: Eudora 3.0 for Cray Y-MP Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 09:54:38 -0400 To: Jeroen Schipper From: Vince Sabio Subject: Re: LPC@LF.net / tpcspool ? Cc: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk ** Sometime around 7:49 -0400 8/4/97, Jeroen Schipper said: >Does anyone on this list recognize this? > [...] > ~Subject: access denied for ID <199708040915.CAA14296@odin.ax.com> from > ~495113360956 [...] >I have talked to the people @lf.net a couple of times and they simply tell >me to remove "tpc@lf.net" from the subscriber-base. Of course, it isn't >there. I asked on the list but no replies... I did more research, but >nothing. Can't seem to get rid of it. What about that Message-ID-looking entry in the Subject line ... do you have any subscribers in the ax.com domain? If more than one, do you have that are on the odin mailhost? If less than one, then you might want to run a probe of the DIGEST accounts to see which one is causing the problem. Another important thing is that, since it appears the person who is responsible for this is subscribed to the DIGEST list, and is attempting to print out the digests -- apparently without success -- it's quite likely that he has never actually *seen* any of the list discussions on this topic. You might want to gather up your DIGEST addresses and spam them with a message outlining the problem and asking for help. Also, be sure to mention that attempts to send mail files to printers should be performed as *forwards*, not as *bounces* or *redirects* (depending on the mail reader that the subscriber is using). As an aside: Speaking of bouncing/redirecting mail, how many of you have had subscribers do that with list postings -- and you [errantly] get the reply from the person who received the redirected message? I've received some of the RACIEST notes when people have redirected mail to girlfriends/boyfriends/ etc. Can be very amusing. Unfortunately, it's usually just annoying ... - Vince Sabio orionsoft@telephonet.com -- If you run a mailing list and are tired of manually processing mail bounces, then you probably need SmartBounce -- currently managing lists in excess of 150,000 subscribers. Runs on Mac, Unix, and Windows. For more info, hit our AR: Web page: . -- From owner-list-managers-outgoing Mon Aug 4 08:49:34 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA18930 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 08:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lsy.com (mail.lsy.com [204.243.120.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id IAA18854 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 1997 08:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [204.243.120.22] by lsy.com with ESMTP (Apple Internet Mail Server 1.1.1); Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:46:04 -0600 X-Sender: droth@mail.lsy.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 4 Aug 1997 11:42:55 -0400 To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM From: Delena Roth Subject: Mailing List Services Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I'm not a regular reader of this list, so pardon my ignorance if this has been hashed out before ... My company develops Web sites. We have a client that wants to sponsor a mailing list relating to their industry. We're not equipped to handle the administration or hosting of such a list, so we're on the lookout for companies who can help us out. The client is a consumer products company, so we'll need a proven provider who can handle some potentially heavy volume. A preliminary Web search via Yahoo has only uncovered a few candidates. I would be very interested to hear this list's recommendations of who to try and maybe who to stay away from. (Hey, I figure you're the experts!) If there's an FAQ that covers this, by all means point me to it. Thanks in advance. If you prefer, you can contact me directly at droth@lsy.com Delena E. Roth Interactive Project Director LSY Interactive 250 Old Wilson Bridge Road Columbus OH 43085 (614) 825-1763 Fax: (614) 846-2679 droth@lsy.com From owner-list-managers-outgoing Sat Aug 23 23:12:46 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id XAA05783 for list-managers-outgoing; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 23:03:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CVOBKU.CVO.MP.USBR.GOV (cvobku.cvo.mp.usbr.gov [140.214.189.4]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970427-1) with ESMTP id XAA05776 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 23:03:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by CVOBKU.CVO.MP.USBR.GOV (MX F5.0) id 1; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 23:07:50 -1300 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 23:07:49 -1300 From: "Henry W. Miller" To: list-managers@greatcircle.com CC: henrym@SACTO.MP.USBR.GOV Message-ID: <009B93A1.D6D31402.1@CVOBKU.CVO.MP.USBR.GOV> Subject: Problems with mail to/from Netcom.CA ? Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Howdy, One of my lists has two co-administrators; one of them has his email address at Netcom.CA. The other co-administrator informed me earlier this evening that some members of our list, as well as members of other lists that the two of them happen to be on, have taken to sending mail to the entire list just to get mail to the member at Netcom.CA. (Hey, managing the list takes enough time; who has time to read it?) According to these people, they cannot send mail directly to the person at Netcom.CA, because their ISP's, or their ISP's carriers, have blocked access to/from Netcom.CA, because of their harboring of SPAM producers. In my experience, in least in recent months, I can only recall one piece of SPAM originating from Netcom, and it was not the Canadian branch. Anyway, this is obviously an unacceptable waste of resources, both in system and network usage. I'm in the process of setting up an alias so that people can send mail to that person without having to send mail to the lists. But I was wondering if anyone else has had this problem. I'm all for blocking incoming email access from certain SPAM havens (and we all know where they are, right?), but blocking email TO a site, especially one that does not seem to be a major problem provider at this time, seems a little overboard to me. -HWM From owner-list-managers-outgoing Mon Aug 25 03:13:18 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id DAA29711 for list-managers-outgoing; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 03:12:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from denicser.let.ruu.nl (denicser.let.ruu.nl [131.211.194.35]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id DAA29628 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 03:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (jeroen@localhost) by denicser.let.ruu.nl (8.8.5/8.8.3/JEvW) with SMTP id MAA03042 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:16:03 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:16:03 +0200 (MET DST) From: Jeroen Schipper To: Mailinglist Managers Subject: Searching through mail archives and fighting spam... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Dear mailinglist managers, I have the following problem: I run a medium sized mailinglist and keep a backlog of digests and an HTML version of the list on a website. This is fine for reading discussions etc. But I get requests from people who want to search the archives. When I setup the archive I created a robots.txt to prevent the archive to be indexed by webcrawlers, like AltaVista or HotBot. Why? Because I don't want those discussions indexed and have the e-mail addresses of all subscribers (who posted something) floating on the Net so they can get spammed! Just for posting something to my mailinglist. I hate spam. I get about 20 spam messages in a weekend and I hate it. My questions to you: has anyone else faced such a situation? What to do? There are several options: - Don't make it searchable - Create a local search engine using some freeware tool (suggestions?). I don't really like the idea of huge indexes however. - Allow one site only to index the pages. But which one? Is there a search engine on the web that has special policies against spam? I'm very happy that the amount of spam on my mailinglist is very low and I want to keep it that way. Jeroen -- :: Jeroen.Schipper@let.ruu.nl :: Utrecht University, Faculty of Arts, The Netherlands :: Office: KNG80, k2.07 / Phone/fax: +31(30) 253 6031 / 9191 From owner-list-managers-outgoing Tue Aug 26 10:51:44 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id KAA07631 for list-managers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:36:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from osprey.cs.jhu.edu (osprey.cs.jhu.edu [128.220.13.87]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id KAA07595 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from dshaw@localhost) by osprey.cs.jhu.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA23434 for List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:41:08 -0400 (EDT) From: David Shaw Message-Id: <199708261741.NAA23434@osprey.cs.jhu.edu> Subject: Re: Searching through mail archives and fighting spam... To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:41:08 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199708260801.BAA03155@honor.greatcircle.com> from List-Managers-Digest at "Aug 26, 97 01:01:13 am" Organization: Computer Science Department, The Johns Hopkins University X-PGP-Fingerprint: D79D345/1048/93 5A E2 39 4A 2A 45 A3 ED 46 9F F1 26 45 37 DF X-URL: http://www.jabberwocky.com/ X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL15 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Jeroen Schipper said: > But I get requests from people who want to search the archives. When I > setup the archive I created a robots.txt to prevent the archive to be > indexed by webcrawlers, like AltaVista or HotBot. Why? Because I don't > want those discussions indexed and have the e-mail addresses of all > subscribers (who posted something) floating on the Net so they can get > spammed! Just for posting something to my mailinglist. One problem is that the spammer robots don't follow the robots.txt exclusion standard. Intentionally - they want to get as many addresses as they can... David -- David Shaw | dshaw@cs.jhu.edu | WWW http://www.cs.jhu.edu/~dshaw/ +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ "There are two major products that come out of Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence." - Jeremy S. Anderson From owner-list-managers-outgoing Tue Aug 26 14:43:06 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA19289 for list-managers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tardis.Tymnet.COM (tardis.tymnet.com [131.146.3.15]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id OAA19220 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:33:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jms@localhost) by tardis.Tymnet.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA17242 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:37:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:37:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Smith Message-Id: <199708262137.OAA17242@tardis.Tymnet.COM> To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Searching through mail archives and fighting spam... Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > keep a backlog of digests and an HTML version of the list on a website. > But I get requests from people who want to search the archives. When I > setup the archive I created a robots.txt to prevent the archive to be > indexed by webcrawlers The second sentence is almost a non-sequitor from the first one. "Searching a website" means running something like swish/wwwais on your host, where A) they have to come to your site to do the search and B) you have complete control over what is put into the database. "Index by webcrawlers" means making your site visible to people that don't even know that it exists. Expecting an external search engine site to keep an up-do-date index of your page's contents is not a good idea. > - Create a local search engine using some freeware tool (suggestions?). I > don't really like the idea of huge indexes however. That's your answer. -Joe From owner-list-managers-outgoing Tue Aug 26 16:28:24 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id QAA10841 for list-managers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:22:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell7.ba.best.com (shell7.ba.best.com [206.184.139.138]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id QAA10834 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:22:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cnorman@localhost) by shell7.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id QAA18572; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:27:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708262327.QAA18572@shell7.ba.best.com> From: Cyndi Norman To: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM CC: cnorman@shell7.ba.best.com In-reply-to: <199708262137.OAA17242@tardis.Tymnet.COM> (message from Joe Smith on Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:37:55 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: Searching through mail archives and fighting spam... Reply-to: cnorman@best.com Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 14:37:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Smith > keep a backlog of digests and an HTML version of the list on a website. > But I get requests from people who want to search the archives. When I > setup the archive I created a robots.txt to prevent the archive to be > indexed by webcrawlers The second sentence is almost a non-sequitor from the first one. "Searching a website" means running something like swish/wwwais on your host, where A) they have to come to your site to do the search and B) you have complete control over what is put into the database. "Index by webcrawlers" means making your site visible to people that don't even know that it exists. Expecting an external search engine site to keep an up-do-date index of your page's contents is not a good idea. I too would like to make my (6+ years worth) of mailing list archives searchable. Right now they are not accessable to search engines because they are in the ftp directory and not the public_html directory. I will probably run them through archive software which will create clickable links. I assume then that I will have to put them into the html directory. A friend of mine is writing some software for this that I will probably use. Do I need to worry about spammers getting into the mailing addresses and sending to them? It's not anything that had even occured to me. Also, how does one get swish/wwwais and what are they? How would I install a local search engine for my site? (I've seen millions of them but never quite knew how they did it and assumed they just wrote the cgi themselves. Thanks, Cyndi -- _______________________________________________________________________________ "There's nothing wrong with me. Maybe there's Cyndi Norman something wrong with the universe." (ST:TNG) cnorman@best.com __________________________________________________ http://www.best.com/~cnorman From owner-list-managers-outgoing Tue Aug 26 18:58:35 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id SAA06901 for list-managers-outgoing; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 18:48:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asimov.lib.uaa.alaska.edu (asimov.lib.uaa.alaska.edu [137.229.112.145]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id SAA06890 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 18:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (tibor@localhost) by asimov.lib.uaa.alaska.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA18018 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:52:40 -0800 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:52:39 -0800 (AKDT) From: Michael Tibor To: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Searching through mail archives and fighting spam... In-Reply-To: <199708262327.QAA18572@shell7.ba.best.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, Cyndi Norman wrote: > I too would like to make my (6+ years worth) of mailing list archives > searchable. Right now they are not accessable to search engines because > they are in the ftp directory and not the public_html directory. > > I will probably run them through archive software which will create > clickable links. I assume then that I will have to put them into the html > directory. A friend of mine is writing some software for this that I will > probably use. > > Do I need to worry about spammers getting into the mailing addresses and > sending to them? It's not anything that had even occured to me. > > Also, how does one get swish/wwwais and what are they? How would I install > a local search engine for my site? (I've seen millions of them but never > quite knew how they did it and assumed they just wrote the cgi themselves. I've just started testing htdig, and although I haven't worked everything out yet, it looks like it should work pretty well for this purpose. I don't have a handy URL to include here, but a net search should bring it up fairly easily. Mike -- Mike Tibor University of Alaska Anchorage (907) 786-1001 voice LAN Technician Consortium Library (907) 786-6050 fax http://www.lib.uaa.alaska.edu/~tibor/ mailto:tibor@lib.uaa.alaska.edu Finger tibor@asimov.lib.uaa.alaska.edu for PGP public key From owner-list-managers-outgoing Wed Aug 27 09:01:43 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id IAA24636 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:29:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sportsurf.net (sportsurf.net [192.41.36.58]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id IAA24458 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 08:28:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.204.56.156] (sss.pittsburgh.net [192.204.56.156]) by sportsurf.net (8.8.5) id JAA14306; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:33:12 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199708271533.JAA14306@sportsurf.net> X-Authentication-Warning: sportsurf.net: Host sss.pittsburgh.net [192.204.56.156] claimed to be [192.204.56.156] Subject: Looking for a Mj dashboard from a Mac Date: Wed, 27 Aug 97 11:42:25 -0000 x-sender: mark@sportsurf.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: Mark Rauterkus To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi, Anyone have a freeware/shareware Mac-based front end to Majordomo for list creation/administration stuff? I'm looking for a desktop application that can streamline my efforts with the UNIX server, perhaps handling some of the FTPing, etc. I'm managing MJ services from a 28.8 modem desktop -- but the MJ resides on a full-time UNIX virtual host. I do like Majorcool and MailServ, but I'm looking for off-line stuff. Perhaps I should build an intranet and plug in a mail-server to batch mail actions and mirror? I'm aware of SMARTBOUNCE that can come on a Mac (plus other flavors) and it covers part of the chore. I'd like to create lists, create new alais files, change info messages, change list headers/footers, change passwords, have a check-list of options, flip lists between moderated to unmoderated, even have a counting record that lists # of subscribers, # of messages, most recent message, etc. Pointers, advice, welcomed. -------------- Mark Rauterkus, Publisher, S.S.S. http://www.sportsurf.net mrauterkus@sportsurf.net http://www.SportSurf.Net/FootNotes FootNotes: Mac E-book authoring and distribution environment with built-in multi-media, lan, web, internet and e-mail capabilities. -------------- From owner-list-managers-outgoing Wed Aug 27 14:14:33 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id OAA23671 for list-managers-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tardis.Tymnet.COM (tardis.tymnet.com [131.146.3.15]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id OAA23644 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from jms@localhost) by tardis.Tymnet.COM (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA20176 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:12:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Joe Smith Message-Id: <199708272112.OAA20176@tardis.Tymnet.COM> To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: Searching through mail archives and fighting spam... Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > Also, how does one get swish/wwwais and what are they? http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/SWISH-E/ (I just installed this at work, and may use it at best.com) The search engine at http://www.best.com/faq/ does not have an entry for "wais", but the screen that says "no matches" does have a link to http://www.eit.com/software/wwwwais/wwwwais.html SWISH-E and AutoSwish look to be a lot easier to use than wwwwais. -Joe From owner-list-managers-outgoing Thu Aug 28 21:11:13 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id UAA12079 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:47:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell7.ba.best.com (shell7.ba.best.com [206.184.139.138]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id UAA12064 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:47:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cnorman@localhost) by shell7.ba.best.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) id UAA22179; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:52:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:52:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708290352.UAA22179@shell7.ba.best.com> From: Cyndi Norman To: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM CC: cnorman@shell7.ba.best.com Subject: AOL bounce from heck (humor more than anything else) Reply-to: cnorman@best.com Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I just got the most bizzare message that I just *had* to share it with you all. I run a mailing list called Immune. It used to be at weber.ucsd.edu but, last February or so, I moved it to best.com. My uscd account is closed but I still get my mail forwarded. This is a bounce message from AOL stating that someone on my list has an invalid username (and it's a weird name too). The bounce went to my old ucsd address and take a close look at the date...the message was sent May 15th...1996. The recived date is Aug 27, 1997. I mean, I've heard of the post office losing mail for years at a time...but the internet?? ------- Start of forwarded message ------- Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 11:30:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Mailer-daemon@aol.com Subject: Returned Mail: Undeliverable To: immune-request@weber.ucsd.edu The mail you sent could not be delivered to: 550 nosuchuser@aol.com is not a known user The text you sent follows: >From immune-request@weber.ucsd.edu Tue Aug 26 18:32:26 1997 Return-Path: Received: from mrin28.mail.aol.com (mrin28.mail.aol.com [152.163.116.66]) by mrin48.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id SAA07294 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 18:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adm02.mail.aol.com (mailadm.mail.aol.com [152.163.116.73]) by mrin28.mail.aol.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id SAA12973 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 18:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from weber.ucsd.edu (weber.ucsd.edu [132.239.147.2]) by emin27.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id SAA07061; Wed, 15 May 1996 18:50:14 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by weber.ucsd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA24730; Wed, 15 May 1996 14:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (icon.intercon.net [202.45.8.10]) by weber.ucsd.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id OAA24722 for ; Wed, 15 May 1996 14:44:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anp20.intercon.net by intercon.net (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA05368; Thu, 16 May 1996 05:41:35 +0800 Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 05:41:35 +0800 Message-Id: <9605152141.AA05368@intercon.net> X-Sender: user@intercon.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: immune@weber.ucsd.edu From: user deleted by CN From owner-list-managers-outgoing Thu Aug 28 22:07:43 1997 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-970308-1) id VAA20067 for list-managers-outgoing; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:36:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stout.popco.com (stout.popco.com [205.199.66.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-970824-1) with ESMTP id VAA19978 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [153.34.40.162] (1Cust34.max12.seattle.wa.ms.uu.net [153.34.40.162]) by stout.popco.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA11262; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199708290352.UAA22179@shell7.ba.best.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:40:19 -0700 To: cnorman@best.com, list-managers@GreatCircle.COM From: Glenn Fleishman Subject: Re: AOL bounce from heck (humor more than anything else) Cc: cnorman@shell7.ba.best.com Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >This is a bounce message from AOL stating that someone on my list has an >invalid username (and it's a weird name too). The bounce went to my old >ucsd address and take a close look at the date...the message was sent May >15th...1996. The recived date is Aug 27, 1997. This reminds me of those stories that run yearly in local papers about a piece of mail being stuck in a piece of automated postal equipment and showing up when the move the machine 30 years later... Adobe went through e-mail hell in late 1995 and I got several pieces of mail that were three or four months old...