From list-managers-owner Tue Sep 1 18:16:17 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id SAA15019; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw.tssi.com (gw.tssi.com [198.147.197.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id SAA15012 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 18:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from celery.tssi.com (nolan@celery.tssi.com [198.147.197.6]) by gw.tssi.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA31827 for ; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:20:01 -0500 Received: (from celery.tssi.com) by celery.tssi.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id UAA23914 for list-managers@GreatCircle.com; Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:19:59 -0500 From: Mike Nolan Message-Id: <199809020119.UAA23914@celery.tssi.com> Subject: Anonymous e-mailers return To: list-managers@GreatCircle.com (List Managers) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 20:19:59 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: nolan@tssi.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I haven't run across this one before, but someone on my list just got a nasty notice from an anonymous mailer service at www.clemsontiger.com. Because of recent events on my list, we have a pretty good idea who sent it, but no proof. I'm not impressed with the anonymous service, either, both the message and the web form for creating it are full of spelling errors. I hope it doesn't last long. -- Mike Nolan From list-managers-owner Wed Sep 2 08:40:28 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id IAA27610; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id IAA27603 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:29:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Mars.mcs.net (dattier@Mars.mcs.net [192.160.127.85]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id KAA06754 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:41:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dattier@localhost) by Mars.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) id KAA15291 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:41:37 -0500 (CDT) From: "David W. Tamkin" Message-Id: <199809021541.KAA15291@Mars.mcs.net> Subject: my owner- alias problem from last week To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 10:41:36 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk The course of action became clear when I remembered something from earlier in the summer. For a couple weeks, most mail that the list or I received from AOL (and I can't cut them off: 1/3 of my list's subscriptions are at AOL addresses) and one piece from mediaone.net came in without RFC822 From: fields. When that happened, I had procmail generate a From: header with the address from the Unix From_ line. Now that the list is on a site running true sendmail and the existence of the owner-listname alias is clobbering the From_ lines, I'm using the From: ad- dress to correct the From_ line. If a post comes in with no From: header again, the owner-listname alias will clobber the From_ information, there is no Return-Path: (as I said in an earlier post), and while I can find the originating site from the Received: headers I'll have no way to learn the sender's logname except from a signature in the body. That would allow any AOL user to spoof any other AOL user -- maybe a big laugh to those of you who get only trouble from America OnLine but a major disaster for my list. So unless reconfiguring sendmail to add Return-Path: salvages the real enve- lope sender address -- and that's a sendmail question, not a list management question, so I'll ask it elsewhere -- the owner-listname alias is dangerous, and I've asked the sysadmin to remove it after the last mail to it has a chance to trickle in. I'm now using listname-owner as the envelope sender of list distributions. From list-managers-owner Wed Sep 2 09:08:54 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id IAA27879; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:55:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out4.ibm.net (out4.ibm.net [165.87.194.239]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id IAA27871 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 08:55:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slip-32-100-197-201.ca.us.ibm.net (slip-32-100-197-201.ca.us.ibm.net [32.100.197.201]) by out4.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA07736 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:07:37 GMT Message-ID: <35ED6DFB.6F02@usa.net> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 09:10:35 -0700 From: TT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: 1. Digests RFC? 2. Truncated Digests Mystery Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Two queries... 1. Which RFC describes digests---standards for message separators, end of file, etc? Where can I find it, on the web? 2. Any idea why a plain ascii text message with no signature, no lines of hyphens or any other character, would truncate our list digests, on some subscribers' email systems? Every message this subscriber writes, triggers this phenomenon. Only her messages trigger it. The majority of subscribers receive "whole" digests, even with her message. Those of us whose digests are truncated use different email clients (Eudora Pro, Netscape Navigator 3.04) on different ISPs (AT&T, Best.com, NetWiz.net). For us, the digest ends at the end of her message. All messages after hers, are missing. No list footers, either, of course. The digest truncation occurred following her posts on two lists using different list automation software, on different provider hosts. Typical message below, in case that helps... Any clues? Regards, Thompson mailto:TH0M@usa.net ----- typical message from that subscriber ----- From: C Anonymous Received: from canonymous (van-bc10-28.netcom.ca [207.181.73.220]) by tor-smtp1.netcom.ca (8.8.5/NETCOM) id RAA05482; Thu, 26 Aug 1998 17:45:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980826225053.00672158@popd.netcom.ca> X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Subject: sponsorship list X-Sender: canonymous@popd.netcom.ca Date: Tue, 6 Jan 98 22:50:53 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 1503 --------------- MESSAGE cafg.v001.n027.3 --------------- From: canonymous@netcom.ca Subject: STEP 10 Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:52:01 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Everyone, Step 10 is a way to continue to grow and take responsiblity... ...the screwdriver is. What can I say I'm a work in progress. Love & Hugs, Carol From list-managers-owner Wed Sep 2 11:35:37 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id LAA29895; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 11:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stingray.ivision.co.uk (stingray.ivision.co.uk [195.50.91.40]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with SMTP id LAA29888 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 11:17:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pretender.ivision.co.uk [195.50.91.43] by stingray.ivision.co.uk with smtp (Exim 1.62 #2) id 0zEHee-0001ZE-00; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 19:29:16 +0100 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980902192835.00894450@stingray.ivision.co.uk> X-Sender: manarpop@stingray.ivision.co.uk X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 19:28:35 +0100 To: TT From: Manar Hussain Subject: Re: 1. Digests RFC? 2. Truncated Digests Mystery Cc: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <35ED6DFB.6F02@usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >2. Any idea why a plain ascii text message with no signature, > no lines of hyphens or any other character, would truncate > our list digests, on some subscribers' email systems? > Every message this subscriber writes, triggers this phenomenon. > Only her messages trigger it. Does she send a "." on a line on it's own at teh end there? Manar From list-managers-owner Wed Sep 2 14:39:33 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id OAA01464; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:33:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id OAA01457 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 14:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Mars.mcs.net (dattier@Mars.mcs.net [192.160.127.85]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id QAA01225; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:45:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dattier@localhost) by Mars.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) id QAA23604; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:45:46 -0500 (CDT) From: "David W. Tamkin" Message-Id: <199809022145.QAA23604@Mars.mcs.net> Subject: Re: 1. Digests RFC? 2. Truncated Digests Mystery To: TH0M@usa.net (TT) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 1998 16:45:45 -0500 (CDT) Cc: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <35ED6DFB.6F02@usa.net> from "TT" at Sep 2, 98 09:10:35 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk TH0M@usa.net, whose name I remember as Tommi Thompson, wrote, | 1. Which RFC describes digests---standards for message separators, | end of file, etc? Where can I find it, on the web? Gosh, it's around #1311 or thereabouts ... are the RFCs indexed somewhere? I remember reading it, deciding its recommended format was too cluttered, and going for the more open, easier to read look I wanted. So far all bursters have been happy with my digest layout. | 2. Any idea why a plain ascii text message with no signature, | no lines of hyphens or any other character, would truncate | our list digests, on some subscribers' email systems? | Every message this subscriber writes, triggers this phenomenon. | Only her messages trigger it. | The majority of subscribers receive "whole" digests, even with | her message. Those of us whose digests are truncated use | different email clients (Eudora Pro, Netscape Navigator 3.04) | on different ISPs (AT&T, Best.com, NetWiz.net). For us, the | digest ends at the end of her message. All messages after hers, | are missing. No list footers, either, of course. | The digest truncation occurred following her posts on two lists | using different list automation software, on different provider | hosts. Tommi, have you ever seen the rest of an issue after her post? You see, I cannot tell whether the sample you attached includes the part that is normally truncated or not. | Typical message below, in case that helps... | From: C Anonymous | Received: from canonymous (van-bc10-28.netcom.ca [207.181.73.220]) | by tor-smtp1.netcom.ca (8.8.5/NETCOM) id RAA05482; | Thu, 26 Aug 1998 17:45:42 -0500 (EST) | Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980826225053.00672158@popd.netcom.ca> | X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) | Subject: sponsorship list | X-Sender: canonymous@popd.netcom.ca | Date: Tue, 6 Jan 98 22:50:53 +0000 | Mime-Version: 1.0 | Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" | X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 | Content-Length: 1503 Well, we're already in trouble, because that's the format Tommi's mailer shows, already altered from mbox format ... no From_ for example (and maybe there shouldn't be), and look at those indentations. | From: canonymous@netcom.ca | Subject: STEP 10 | Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:52:01 -0400 (EDT) | MIME-Version: 1.0 | Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii | | Hi Everyone, | | Step 10 is a way to continue to grow and take responsiblity... | | ...the screwdriver is. What can I say I'm a work in progress. | | Love & Hugs, | Carol I wonder if Carol puts a lone period under her name in her .signature, and somewhere along the line is an MTA not using -oi. Or maybe she uses a row of asterisks, which is the official end-of-digest marker. When someone submits a row of hyphens or a row of asterisks in a post to my list, I change the second hyphen to an equal sign or the second asterisk to a plus sign. In most people's fonts the change is very unobtrusive (nobody has every mentioned it to me on three lists where I've done it) and it prevents digest bursters and such from mistaking the text for an article separator or a digest terminator. I know Tommi said that Carol's articles have no row of any repeated character, but I'm not sure if she has ever seen the whole of one, since she said "those of *us* [emphasis mine] whose digests are truncated." But then the asterisks would be retained and whatever came after the asterisks would be dropped, so it isn't a row of asterisks. Tommi, can you send the REST (or at least the next few lines), the part that is cut off after Carol's posts? That would tell us more. Based on what I know so far, my best suggestion is for the list administrator to put in a special routine for Carol's posts to indent their bodies one column. I'd have to guess that a single space between the left margin and whatever is poisonous in her posts would be the appropriate antivenin. From list-managers-owner Wed Sep 2 21:54:51 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id VAA07412; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:41:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out2.ibm.net (out2.ibm.net [165.87.194.229]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id VAA07405 for ; Wed, 2 Sep 1998 21:41:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slip-32-100-197-23.ca.us.ibm.net (slip-32-100-197-23.ca.us.ibm.net [32.100.197.23]) by out2.ibm.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA192960 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 04:53:44 GMT Message-ID: <35EE2189.6AF5@usa.net> Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 21:56:41 -0700 From: TT X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win16; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: 1. Digests RFC? 2. Truncated Digests Mystery Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Thanks to Jeff for the RFC for digests: http://www.alternic.net/rfcs/1100/rfc1153.txt.html David W. Tamkin quoted & wrote: [TT]--- > | 2. Any idea why a plain ascii text message with no signature, > | no lines of hyphens or any other character, would truncate > | our list digests, on some subscribers' email systems? Actually, one other person, one time, triggered truncation. His message did end in two rows of asterisks, which were visible in single and digest, and after which nothing at all appeared... no footers on the single, no subsequeqent message or footers in the digest. That one did not puzzle me. I tho't the lines of asterisks constituted the problem. > | The majority of subscribers receive "whole" digests, even with > | her message. On closer inspection, in her messages as received in AOL email, footers didn't disappear completely, but were affected and oddly corrupted. Sample below. > | ...Those of us whose digests are truncated use > | different email clients (Eudora Pro, Netscape Navigator 3.04) > | on different ISPs (AT&T, Best.com, NetWiz.net). > | The digest truncation occurred following her posts on two lists > | using different list automation software, on different providers. Namely, Majordomo on Sparknet and bestserv (a "C"-written imitation of many Majordomo features, but not much like Major- domo, written by a Best.com tech) on Best.com. > Tommi, have you ever seen the rest of an issue after her post? You see, > I cannot tell whether the sample you attached includes the part that is > normally truncated or not. I saw some of them, when I was receiving a second copy of the digest on AOL, where subsequent text was affected but didn't completely disappear. I didn't think to keep those. I do have a sample (included below) which I mailed to myself when I left AOL. It began life as a single, yet its footers are affected and the end of the post which followed hers (in the digest, and as the next single message to go out) is mooshed in with her footers. Very odd. When asked, she said that her original message had nothing under her first-name-only signoff, "Carol" At my request, she sent me her originals a couple of times. Nothing was visible at the end of her message. No period, no line of any kind. Nothing. But I was having her mail it to my email account, running my Netscape Navigator 3.04 which had demonstrated that it was affected by her messages as received from the list. So... not such a good test, maybe, huh. When I copy/pasted her text into Notepad (text editor in Win3.11) then into a new email message from my NetscapeMail, and posted it to the list, it did not affect the digest. > | Typical message below, in case that helps... > > | From: C Anonymous > | Received: from canonymous (van-bc10-28.netcom.ca [207.181.73.220]) > | by tor-smtp1.netcom.ca (8.8.5/NETCOM) id RAA05482; > | Thu, 26 Aug 1998 17:45:42 -0500 (EST) > | Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980826225053.00672158@popd.netcom.ca> > | X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) > | Subject: sponsorship list > | X-Sender: canonymous@popd.netcom.ca > | Date: Tue, 6 Jan 98 22:50:53 +0000 > | Mime-Version: 1.0 > | Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" > | X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 > | Content-Length: 1503 > > Well, we're already in trouble, because that's the format Tommi's mailer > shows, already altered from mbox format ... no From_ for example (and maybe > there shouldn't be), and look at those indentations. Oh, sorry, I did the indentations, formatting for readability, while scrupulously retaining the content. Not a good science habit. An old editor's habit. Here's her same message, as I received it as a single on AOL. The partial row of equal signs under her signature is a list footer, but a corrupted one, with several lines missing from above that row of equal signs, which itself does not extend all the way across its original length. The second set of footers(!) looks nearly as it should, except that it's included in her single message although it's from the single posting of the next poster! The only corruption in that 2nd 3-part footer is the leading *two* periods on a blank line, when only one period had been inserted there, in my config file. Subj: [CAFG] STEP 10 Date: 97-10-10 21:43:37 EDT From: canonymous@netcom.ca Sender: cafg-errors@lists.best.com To: cafg@lists.best.com _________________________________________________________ .. . - CAFG - _________________________________________________________ Hi Everyone, I look at Step 10 as a way to continue to grow and take responsiblity... ...the screwdriver is. What can I say I'm a work in progress. Love & Hugs, Carol ========== .. cafg-REQUEST: INFO . * For INFO, e-mail to: cafg-REQUEST@lists.best.com * Leave the Subject line blank, or type a period. * The body of the message contains exactly one word: .. . info _________________________________________________________ == Melissa ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ .. Topic 10/05 - 10/11: STEP 10 . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In single message, hitting "Reply" sends your response to the author of the original message. To write to all 600 members, type in your "To:" line: CAFG@lists.best.com ========================================================= .. cafg-REQUEST: INFO . * For INFO, e-mail to: cafg-REQUEST@lists.best.com * Leave the Subject line blank, or type a period. * The body of the message contains exactly one word: .. . info _________________________________________________________ <<<< end quote >>>> Melissa's was the post after Carol's. I've never seen single messages contaminated, mooshed together this way. The 3-section footer you see after Melissa's signature, is exactly as designed. As you can see, the same footer before Melissa's sig, is not missing, but altered. part of the line of equal signs is present, but it ends halfway thru. This kind of corruption of the footers, rather than their complete elimination, is what consistently happened in AOL with Carol's messages. This seems more complex than if the footers are missing completely, now that I think of it. Note, no row of asterisks or hyphens is visible. Even when one fellow's rows of asterisks prematurely ended a digest, the asterisks themselves were visible. Same is true of all the 30-hyphen and row-of-asterisk markers in digests. In plain ascii text digests, anyway, they are visible. > I wonder if Carol puts a lone period under her name in her .signature, > ...Or maybe she uses a row of asterisks... She said not, and no period or asterisk-row ever was visible. > ...can you send the REST (or at least the next few lines), the part > that is cut off after Carol's posts? That would tell us more. The above single with corrupted footers is the best I have. > Based on what I know so far, my best suggestion is for the list administrator > to put in a special routine for Carol's posts to indent their bodies one > column. I'd have to guess that a single space between the left margin and > whatever is poisonous in her posts would be the appropriate antivenin. Oooo, interesting idea. I'm not sophisticated enough to make that happen automatically, nor is the bestserv list automation software. She didn't like being "moderated," so she left. She was a pretty good contributor, so if I found an automatic way to handle it, I might entice her back, but my posting her messages was my solution and she didn't like it at all. Affected her sense of spontaneity and autonomy. Whatever is "poison" in her messages is unique in my list experience, and does not seem to be a visible character. Can an EOF marker be invisible? And can it cause corruption of footers in some cases rather than simply eliminating them outright? Thanks for all the brainstorming. Gratefully, Tommi Thompson mailto:TH0M@usa.net From list-managers-owner Thu Sep 3 10:43:05 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id KAA20251; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.shelby.com (tile.net [207.90.155.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id KAA20244 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:34:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail by mail.shelby.com (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id KAA06570; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:32:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199809031732.KAA06570@mail.shelby.com> Received: from 209.133.51.131 by ip51131.transbay.net with MailShield (MailShield v1.05); 03 Sep 98 10:32:47 PDT7 from: to: From: "Tom Geller" Organization: Lyris Technologies Inc. To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 10:46:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: 1. Digests RFC? 2. Truncated Digests Mystery Reply-to: tom@lyris.com In-reply-to: <199809030800.BAA09694@honor.greatcircle.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk David Tamkin asks: > Gosh, it's around #1311 or thereabouts ... are the RFCs indexed somewhere? Try these two URLs: Both are searchable indices. --- Tom Geller, Product Manager * tom@lyris.com * +1-415-552-2557 Lyris Technologies, Inc. , home of: Lyris (mailing list server) MailShield (server-side anti-spam program) Lyris.net (mailing list hosting) From list-managers-owner Fri Sep 4 16:15:07 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id PAA14661; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:17:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) id PAA14651 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:17:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ds11.acs.ucalgary.ca (ds11.acs.ucalgary.ca [136.159.244.11]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id OAA18536 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:43:18 -0700 (PDT) received: from pc039-213.admin.ucalgary.ca(136.159.213.39) by ds11.acs.ucalgary.ca via smap (V2.0) id ZZ800458; Thu, 27 Aug 98 15:53:48 -0600 Message-ID: <35E5D506.E6E0292C@acs.ucalgary.ca> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:52:06 -0600 From: Michael Harasym Organization: University of Calgary X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (WinNT; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'list-managers@greatcircle.com'" Subject: Unsafe for mailing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, Has anyone come across where Majoromo say "...Adresss deans-l@majordomo.ca is currently unsafe for mailing to programs. The subscription list has an email address that points to another mailing list. I'm wonder if this is a Majordomo problem or sendmail problem. We are currently using: UNIX AIX 4.2.1.0 Majordomo 1.94.4 Sendmail 8.7 Michael From list-managers-owner Fri Sep 4 16:29:44 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id PAA14812; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:19:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) id PAA14804 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:19:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from know-it.com ([204.181.118.14]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id NAA22158 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 13:46:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by know-it.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:55:21 -0500 Received: by know-it.com from cras10p25.navix.net (205.242.144.154::mail daemon,SLMail V2.6); Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:55:20 -0500 Reply-To: "Glen Lee Edwards" From: "Glen Lee Edwards" To: "Association of Christian Web Authors" , "List Managers" Subject: List services Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:59:23 -0500 Message-ID: <01bdd38f$e69a5520$9a90f2cd@glen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I could use some help. Does anyone know of a list service, preferably free (but I'll look at others), that will allow me to decided by individual who has permission to post to the list and who doesn't? Glen Lee Edwards gedwards@mnnazarene.org SiteManager Minnesota District Church of the Nazarene Internet Ministries http://www.mnnazarene.org http://www.nazarene.org/~mn A bruised reed He will not break, and a dimly burning wick He will not extinguish. (Isaiah 42:3, Matthew 12:20) To join the Minnesota District email list, email a letter to: mnnaz-subscribe@makelist.com From list-managers-owner Fri Sep 4 16:44:41 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id PAA14773; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:18:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) id PAA14756 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from duhnet.net ([207.30.95.211]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id IAA18831 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 1998 08:10:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by duhnet.net (8.9.1/8.9.1/Duh-2.0.0) with SMTP id LAA14977Sat, 29 Aug 1998 11:20:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: duhnet.net: tv owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 11:20:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Todd Vierling X-Sender: tv@duhnet.net To: "David W. Tamkin" cc: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: owner- alias becomes a problem Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, David W. Tamkin wrote: : You see, under sendmail-8.9.0 and SunOS 5.6, when a subscriber submits to the : list and the article is *successfully* delivered to the submission alias, : sendmail clobbers the original envelope sender on the UNIX From_ line with : the address to which owner-listname expands (or with owner-listname itself : if it expands to a pipe). Are you sure this isn't the mailing list manager at work? Typically _they_ change the envelope sender such that bounces won't loop. : Since newer sendmail versions do not add Return-Path: any more, the original : envelope sender information is lost. Huh? Sendmail 8.9.0 (and now 8.9.1) adds a Return-Path: here. And I have several owner- addresses. -- -- Todd Vierling (Personal tv@pobox.com; Bus. todd_vierling@xn.xerox.com) From list-managers-owner Fri Sep 4 23:03:36 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id WAA20831; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 22:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.n.ml.org (narnia.idsi.net [208.195.228.60]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id WAA20824 for ; Fri, 4 Sep 1998 22:13:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from djr@localhost by mail.n.ml.org (Sendmail 8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA02627 on Sat, 5 Sep 1998 01:25:46 -0400 (199809050525) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 01:25:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Reed To: Todd Vierling cc: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: owner- alias becomes a problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Sat, 29 Aug 1998, Todd Vierling wrote: ) On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, David W. Tamkin wrote: ) : You see, under sendmail-8.9.0 and SunOS 5.6, when a subscriber submits to the ) : list and the article is *successfully* delivered to the submission alias, ) : sendmail clobbers the original envelope sender on the UNIX From_ line with ) : the address to which owner-listname expands (or with owner-listname itself ) : if it expands to a pipe). ) Are you sure this isn't the mailing list manager at work? Typically _they_ ) change the envelope sender such that bounces won't loop. Both of them typically do. I know I had the exact same problem a while back--sendmail will (as far as I can tell) drop the From: message header if the From: address exactly matches the envelope sender address. Typically this didn't matter because before final delivery the From: message header would be recreated. However, I was having problems with one of the mailing lists I was running where the From: field was getting dropped, and then sendmail munged the return path address--so the original sender's address was lost for eternity. I had to remove the owner-LISTNAME aliases in /etc/aliases to prevent sendmail from putzing with the return path address (sendmail does that to support :include: file-based lists, where no posting processor is used), then modified Majordomo's source to re-add a missing From: header based on the original return path address. -- Daniel Reed I don't have a solution, but I admire your problem. From list-managers-owner Sat Sep 5 14:10:22 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id NAA06216; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 13:45:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from shell3.ba.best.com (shell3.ba.best.com [206.184.139.134]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id NAA06188 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 13:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from snoovler@localhost) by shell3.ba.best.com (8.9.0/8.9.0/best.sh) id NAA16731; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 13:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199809052057.NAA16731@shell3.ba.best.com> Subject: Re: List services In-Reply-To: <199809050936.CAA25117@honor.greatcircle.com> from List-Managers-Digest at "Sep 5, 98 02:36:08 am" To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 13:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Cc: gedwards@mnnazarene.org From: Mark Fletcher Reply-To: markf@snoovler.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL38 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > > I could use some help. Does anyone know of a list service, preferably free > (but I'll look at others), that will allow me to decided by individual who > has permission to post to the list and who doesn't? > ONElist, at http://www.onelist.com, is a free mail service that supports revokable posting rights on a user by user basis. Mark From list-managers-owner Sat Sep 5 14:37:22 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id OAA06602; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 14:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id OAA06595 for ; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 14:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Mercury.mcs.net (dattier@Mercury.mcs.net [192.160.127.80]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id QAA05789; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 16:24:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dattier@localhost) by Mercury.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) id QAA28889; Sat, 5 Sep 1998 16:24:24 -0500 (CDT) From: "David W. Tamkin" Message-Id: <199809052124.QAA28889@Mercury.mcs.net> Subject: Re: Truncated Digests Mystery To: TH0M@usa.net (TT) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 16:24:24 -0500 (CDT) Cc: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <35EE2189.6AF5@usa.net> from "TT" at Sep 2, 98 09:56:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Tommi Thompson wrote, | Actually, one other person, one time, triggered truncation. | His message did end in two rows of asterisks, which were visible | in single and digest, and after which nothing at all appeared... | no footers on the single, no subsequeqent message or footers in | the digest. That one did not puzzle me. I tho't the lines of | asterisks constituted the problem. They probably did. | On closer inspection, in her messages as received in AOL email, | footers didn't disappear completely, but were affected and oddly | corrupted. Sample below. | When asked, she said that her original message had nothing | under her first-name-only signoff, "Carol" Right now I'll bet on Alexander Verbraeck's theory of an embedded ^Z over anything I said before. | The only corruption in that 2nd 3-part footer | is the leading *two* periods on a blank line, when only one | period had been inserted there, in my config file. I think it's standard SMTP to represent a literal period at the beginning of a line with two periods so that it won't be taken as the period to end a message. However, that happens the same with all articles in your list's digest issues and wouldn't be particular to Carol's posts. | Melissa's was the post after Carol's. I've never seen | single messages contaminated, mooshed together this way. That can be a locking problem, but it would show up randomly and not select Carol's submissions. [I suggested automatically indenting the bodies of her posts by one column in case the problem was having some particular string flush left.] | Oooo, interesting idea. I'm not sophisticated enough to make that | happen automatically, nor is the bestserv list automation software. | She didn't like being "moderated," so she left. She was a pretty | good contributor, so if I found an automatic way to handle it, I | might entice her back, but my posting her messages was my solution | and she didn't like it at all. Affected her sense of spontaneity and | autonomy. If the problem is a ^Z, indenting won't help after all. | Can an EOF marker be invisible? And can it cause corruption of footers | in some cases rather than simply eliminating them outright? Yes, it can be invisible, and there's no telling exactly what it can cause. Good luck. From list-managers-owner Sun Sep 6 14:17:41 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id NAA23115; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 13:59:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailmtx.acnet.net (mailmtx.acnet.net [170.76.16.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id NAA23108 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 13:59:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rick (ppp23-mzt.acnet.net [167.114.19.55]) by mailmtx.acnet.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id QAA23459 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 16:11:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <004001bdd9db$4c682200$03000004@rick> Reply-To: "Rick Lewis" From: "Rick Lewis" To: Subject: advice on automating mailing list Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 15:12:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hola! I'm fairly new to this list, but have been lurking for a while to see if someone else can answer my questions. I've seen messages regarding some of the "advertising list managers" but my question is: Are there any freeware mailing list software programs out there I can use to clean up and automate my mailing list, without going with one of the "advertising based" mail list companies. My list is fairly new, we're only 50 subscribers, but I expect we'll grow to a couple hundred, but right now I'm doing everything manually with Outlook Express. Any suggestions or help would be appreciated. Regards, Rick Rick Lewis 81 68 66 • rick@mazinfo.com Visiting Mazatlan? First visit http://www.mazinfo.com Join the free community-service mailing list: list@mazinfo.com From list-managers-owner Sun Sep 6 15:39:00 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id PAA24104; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 15:03:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) id PAA24094 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 15:03:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stl-17lssc (STL-17LSSC.ARMY.MIL [150.211.90.52]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with SMTP id GAA17117 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 06:59:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199809031359.GAA17117@honor.greatcircle.com> Date: Thu, 3 Sep 98 9:01:11 CDT From: Rich Zellich To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: 1. Digests RFC? 2. Truncated Digests Mystery Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk It's hard to believe a single period on a line by itself could get by as far as sending out a digest. It would take more than _one_ MTA along the way to not handle it correctly, it would take _every_ relay point not handling it correctly. However, how about either a NULL or a CTL-Z? The behavior of individual systems will vary on either of those, including the choices of: 1) being ignored as if they weren't there; 2) being translated to a printable char. sequence (my mail-reading system does this); 3) not being handled correctly and causing premature truncation of the message. The NULL is probably the better guess, because taken as an end-of-string/ end-of-line indicator, it could cause the trailing text to be munged. The CTL-Z would just indicate end-of-file, and you would _never_ see any trailing text. On the other hand, it's easier to imagine her using a text editor in her mailer that inserts DOS-style CTL-Z end-of-file characters, than a message-ending NULL. Another guess heard from... -Rich From list-managers-owner Sun Sep 6 15:54:00 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id PAA24162; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 15:04:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) id PAA24154 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 15:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from know-it.com ([204.181.118.14]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id LAA20981 for ; Thu, 3 Sep 1998 11:16:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by know-it.com from localhost (router,SLMail V2.6); Thu, 03 Sep 1998 13:25:22 -0500 Received: by know-it.com from cras10p31.navix.net (205.242.144.160::mail daemon,SLMail V2.6); Thu, 03 Sep 1998 13:25:15 -0500 Reply-To: "Glen Lee Edwards" From: "Glen Lee Edwards" To: "List Managers" Subject: Fw: 1. Digests RFC? 2. Truncated Digests Mystery Date: Thu, 3 Sep 1998 13:30:03 -0500 Message-ID: <01bdd768$de963b00$a090f2cd@glen> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Sounds to me like a programming problem. The programmer or installer needs to be notified of what's happening. If the list was only being truncated, more than likely the programmer didn't define a specific enough eof check. But since it's being distorted, also, sounds like something more challenging. Glen Lee Edwards gedwards@mnnazarene.org SiteManager Minnesota District Church of the Nazarene Internet Ministries http://www.mnnazarene.org http://www.nazarene.org/~mn A bruised reed He will not break, and a dimly burning wick He will not extinguish. (Isaiah 42:3, Matthew 12:20) To join the Minnesota District email list, email a letter to: mnnaz-subscribe@makelist.com -----Original Message----- From: TT To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Date: Thursday, September 03, 1998 5:24 AM Subject: Re: 1. Digests RFC? 2. Truncated Digests Mystery |Thanks to Jeff for the RFC for digests: |http://www.alternic.net/rfcs/1100/rfc1153.txt.html | |David W. Tamkin quoted & wrote: |[TT]--- |> | 2. Any idea why a plain ascii text message with no signature, |> | no lines of hyphens or any other character, would truncate |> | our list digests, on some subscribers' email systems? | |Actually, one other person, one time, triggered truncation. |His message did end in two rows of asterisks, which were visible |in single and digest, and after which nothing at all appeared... |no footers on the single, no subsequeqent message or footers in |the digest. That one did not puzzle me. I tho't the lines of |asterisks constituted the problem. | |> | The majority of subscribers receive "whole" digests, even with |> | her message. | |On closer inspection, in her messages as received in AOL email, |footers didn't disappear completely, but were affected and oddly |corrupted. Sample below. | |> | ...Those of us whose digests are truncated use |> | different email clients (Eudora Pro, Netscape Navigator 3.04) |> | on different ISPs (AT&T, Best.com, NetWiz.net). | |> | The digest truncation occurred following her posts on two lists |> | using different list automation software, on different providers. | |Namely, Majordomo on Sparknet and bestserv (a "C"-written |imitation of many Majordomo features, but not much like Major- |domo, written by a Best.com tech) on Best.com. | | |> Tommi, have you ever seen the rest of an issue after her post? You see, |> I cannot tell whether the sample you attached includes the part that is |> normally truncated or not. | |I saw some of them, when I was receiving a second copy of the |digest on AOL, where subsequent text was affected but didn't |completely disappear. I didn't think to keep those. I do have |a sample (included below) which I mailed to myself when I left |AOL. It began life as a single, yet its footers are affected |and the end of the post which followed hers (in the digest, |and as the next single message to go out) is mooshed in with |her footers. Very odd. | |When asked, she said that her original message had nothing |under her first-name-only signoff, "Carol" | |At my request, she sent me her originals a couple of times. |Nothing was visible at the end of her message. No period, no |line of any kind. Nothing. But I was having her mail it to my |email account, running my Netscape Navigator 3.04 which had |demonstrated that it was affected by her messages as received |from the list. So... not such a good test, maybe, huh. | |When I copy/pasted her text into Notepad (text editor in Win3.11) |then into a new email message from my NetscapeMail, and posted |it to the list, it did not affect the digest. | |> | Typical message below, in case that helps... |> |> | From: C Anonymous |> | Received: from canonymous (van-bc10-28.netcom.ca [207.181.73.220]) |> | by tor-smtp1.netcom.ca (8.8.5/NETCOM) id RAA05482; |> | Thu, 26 Aug 1998 17:45:42 -0500 (EST) |> | Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980826225053.00672158@popd.netcom.ca> |> | X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) |> | Subject: sponsorship list |> | X-Sender: canonymous@popd.netcom.ca |> | Date: Tue, 6 Jan 98 22:50:53 +0000 |> | Mime-Version: 1.0 |> | Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="us-ascii" |> | X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 |> | Content-Length: 1503 |> |> Well, we're already in trouble, because that's the format Tommi's mailer |> shows, already altered from mbox format ... no From_ for example (and maybe |> there shouldn't be), and look at those indentations. | |Oh, sorry, I did the indentations, formatting for readability, |while scrupulously retaining the content. Not a good science |habit. An old editor's habit. | |Here's her same message, as I received it as a single on AOL. |The partial row of equal signs under her signature is a list |footer, but a corrupted one, with several lines missing from |above that row of equal signs, which itself does not extend |all the way across its original length. The second set of |footers(!) looks nearly as it should, except that it's included |in her single message although it's from the single posting of |the next poster! The only corruption in that 2nd 3-part footer |is the leading *two* periods on a blank line, when only one |period had been inserted there, in my config file. | | |Subj: [CAFG] STEP 10 |Date: 97-10-10 21:43:37 EDT |From: canonymous@netcom.ca |Sender: cafg-errors@lists.best.com |To: cafg@lists.best.com | |_________________________________________________________ |.. . |- CAFG - |_________________________________________________________ | |Hi Everyone, | |I look at Step 10 as a way to continue to grow and take responsiblity... | |...the screwdriver is. What can I say I'm a work in progress. | |Love & Hugs, |Carol | |========== |.. cafg-REQUEST: INFO . |* For INFO, e-mail to: cafg-REQUEST@lists.best.com |* Leave the Subject line blank, or type a period. |* The body of the message contains exactly one word: |.. . |info |_________________________________________________________ | |== | |Melissa | |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |.. Topic 10/05 - 10/11: STEP 10 . | |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |In single message, hitting "Reply" sends your response to |the author of the original message. To write to all 600 |members, type in your "To:" line: CAFG@lists.best.com |========================================================= |.. cafg-REQUEST: INFO . |* For INFO, e-mail to: cafg-REQUEST@lists.best.com |* Leave the Subject line blank, or type a period. |* The body of the message contains exactly one word: |.. . |info |_________________________________________________________ | | <<<< end quote >>>> | |Melissa's was the post after Carol's. I've never seen |single messages contaminated, mooshed together this way. | |The 3-section footer you see after Melissa's signature, is |exactly as designed. As you can see, the same footer before |Melissa's sig, is not missing, but altered. part of the |line of equal signs is present, but it ends halfway thru. | |This kind of corruption of the footers, rather than their |complete elimination, is what consistently happened in AOL |with Carol's messages. This seems more complex than if the |footers are missing completely, now that I think of it. | |Note, no row of asterisks or hyphens is visible. Even when |one fellow's rows of asterisks prematurely ended a digest, |the asterisks themselves were visible. Same is true of all |the 30-hyphen and row-of-asterisk markers in digests. |In plain ascii text digests, anyway, they are visible. | |> I wonder if Carol puts a lone period under her name in her .signature, |> ...Or maybe she uses a row of asterisks... | |She said not, and no period or asterisk-row ever was visible. | | |> ...can you send the REST (or at least the next few lines), the part |> that is cut off after Carol's posts? That would tell us more. | |The above single with corrupted footers is the best I have. | |> Based on what I know so far, my best suggestion is for the list administrator |> to put in a special routine for Carol's posts to indent their bodies one |> column. I'd have to guess that a single space between the left margin and |> whatever is poisonous in her posts would be the appropriate antivenin. | |Oooo, interesting idea. I'm not sophisticated enough to make that |happen automatically, nor is the bestserv list automation software. |She didn't like being "moderated," so she left. She was a pretty |good contributor, so if I found an automatic way to handle it, I |might entice her back, but my posting her messages was my solution |and she didn't like it at all. Affected her sense of spontaneity and |autonomy. | |Whatever is "poison" in her messages is unique in my list |experience, and does not seem to be a visible character. Can an |EOF marker be invisible? And can it cause corruption of footers |in some cases rather than simply eliminating them outright? | |Thanks for all the brainstorming. | |Gratefully, |Tommi Thompson |mailto:TH0M@usa.net From list-managers-owner Sun Sep 6 20:38:39 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id UAA28782; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:14:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from A470.demon.co.uk (a470.demon.co.uk [212.228.155.84]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with SMTP id UAA28767 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:14:38 -0700 (PDT) From: merlin@A470.demon.co.uk Received: (qmail 1126 invoked by uid 500); 7 Sep 1998 00:27:07 -0000 Message-ID: <19980907002707.1125.qmail@A470.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: advice on automating mailing list To: rick@mazinfo.com Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 20:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Cc: list-managers@greatcircle.com In-Reply-To: <004001bdd9db$4c682200$03000004@rick> from "Rick Lewis" at Sep 6, 98 03:12:43 pm X-PGP: finger merlin@netlink.co.uk for public key Content-Type: text Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > Are there any freeware mailing list software programs out there I can > use to clean up and automate my mailing list, = Majordomo = Smartlist = EZMLM = Listserv (freeware/non-commercial version) ... etc. et. al. > without going with one of > the "advertising based" mail list companies. My list is fairly new, > we're only 50 subscribers, but I expect we'll grow to a couple hundred, > but right now I'm doing everything manually with Outlook Express. > Any suggestions or help would be appreciated. A lot depends on what system software you use. If you use are using Windows (I'm making an assumption this is the OS you have) then you are very restricted in what lists you can run on your own computer. Nevertheless, there are a few. (Consider SLMAIL, IIRC). A suggestion? Install Linux. Chose the Redhat Linux package (http://www.redhat.com) or ease of installation. Install Majordomo. Get it from ftp.greatcircle.com/pub somewhere. Come back to majordomo-users@greatcircle.com list if you have any questions ;-) Personally, one of my main motivations/incentives for switching to Linux (http://www.linux.org) was being able to run some decent list software (aside from the many other benefits) such as Chapman's Majordomo or Berstein's EZMLM (http://www.ezmlm.org). Linux can co-exist on the same computer as Windows : you can load one or t'other ... depending on what you want to do/use. It's not that much of a painful transition. *honest* It's worth it. Take the leap now! -- Darren Rees From list-managers-owner Mon Sep 7 04:02:56 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id CAA05230; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 02:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miles.greatcircle.com (miles.greatcircle.com [198.102.244.45]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id CAA05220 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 02:27:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by miles.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA08957 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 02:38:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ben by scientia.demon.co.uk with local (Exim 2.02 #26) id 0zFxMV-0006BE-00; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 10:13:27 +0100 Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 10:13:27 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Rick Lewis , List-Managers@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: advice on automating mailing list Message-ID: <19980907101327.E23035@scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <004001bdd9db$4c682200$03000004@rick> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <004001bdd9db$4c682200$03000004@rick> User-Agent: Mutt/0.94.3i (FreeBSD 3.0-CURRENT i386) Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Rick Lewis wrote: > Are there any freeware mailing list software programs out there I can > use to clean up and automate my mailing list, without going with one of > the "advertising based" mail list companies. My list is fairly new, > we're only 50 subscribers, but I expect we'll grow to a couple hundred, > but right now I'm doing everything manually with Outlook Express. It depends what OS you're using. If you're using some variety of Unix to run the list, then I'd recommend Majordomo[1], though there are many more for Unix. If you're using Win95/98/NT, I'd recommend you look at Mailtraq[2], which isn't free, but I think you can download a 30 day trial, and it does a lot more than just running mailing lists. If you're using some other OS, I don't know. [1] ftp://ftp.greatcircle.com/pub/majordomo/ [2] http://www.mailtraq.com/ -- Ben Smithurst : ben@scientia.demon.co.uk : http://www.scientia.demon.co.uk/ PGP: 0x99392F7D - 3D 89 87 42 CE CA 93 4C 68 32 0E D5 36 05 3D 16 http://www.scientia.demon.co.uk/ben/pgp-key.html (or use keyservers) From list-managers-owner Mon Sep 7 10:15:35 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id JAA02555; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 09:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sugaree.dundee.net (sugaree.dundee.net [206.249.104.21]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with SMTP id JAA02548 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 09:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199809071653.JAA02548@honor.greatcircle.com> Received: from pita [206.249.104.10] by sugaree.dundee.net (SMTPD32-4.06) id A23D248900C6; Mon, 07 Sep 1998 13:05:01 EDT X-Sender: rick@mail.dundee.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.52 (Beta) Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 13:05:15 -0400 To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM From: Rick Rountree Subject: Re: advice on automating mailing list In-Reply-To: <004001bdd9db$4c682200$03000004@rick> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 03:12 PM 9/6/98 -0600, you wrote: >Are there any freeware mailing list software programs out there I can >use to clean up and automate my mailing list, without going with one of >the "advertising based" mail list companies. My list is fairly new, >we're only 50 subscribers, but I expect we'll grow to a couple hundred, >but right now I'm doing everything manually with Outlook Express. > >Any suggestions or help would be appreciated. > Rick, You may want to have a look at Lyris. The free license allows unlimited lists with up to 200 subscribers per list. It runs on Windows NT, Windows 95, IBM AIX, Solaris for Sparc, and Solaris for Intel. Here is the URL: http://www.lyris.com/lyris.html Hope this helps, Rick Rountree Dundee Internet Services, Inc rick@dundee.net From list-managers-owner Mon Sep 7 19:52:13 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id TAA05087; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailmtx.acnet.net (mailmtx.acnet.net [170.76.16.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id TAA05035 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 19:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rick (ppp04-mzt.acnet.net [167.114.19.36]) by mailmtx.acnet.net (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id VAA09404 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 21:36:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <010d01bddad1$d238cdc0$03000004@rick> Reply-To: "Rick Lewis" From: "Rick Lewis" To: Subject: Thanks/Was "advice on automating mail..." Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 20:32:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Thanks very sincerely to all those who responded. I have plenty of resources now to answer my questions. Best regards to all you pros! Rick Lewis 81 68 66 • rick@mazinfo.com Visiting Mazatlan, Mexico? First visit http://www.mazinfo.com Join our free community-service mailing list: list@mazinfo.com From list-managers-owner Tue Sep 8 08:19:15 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id HAA16957; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 07:48:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (POSTOFFICE2.MAIL.CORNELL.EDU [132.236.56.10]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id HAA16949 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 07:48:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [128.253.230.42] (MURMER.CIT.CORNELL.EDU [128.253.230.42]) by postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02717 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:00:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: tco2@postoffice2.mail.cornell.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:01:04 -0400 To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM From: "Todd C. Olson" Subject: Re: List services Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hi Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:59:23 -0500 From: "Glen Lee Edwards" Subject: List services I could use some help. Does anyone know of a list service, preferably free (but I'll look at others), that will allow me to decided by individual who has permission to post to the list and who doesn't? Services that use lyris might have this feature See http://www.lyris.com/ for info about lyris See http://www.lyris.com/partners.html for services using lyris Another compendium of services is/was at http://www.cs.ubc.ca/spider/edmonds/usenet/ml-providers.html Regards, Todd Olson From list-managers-owner Tue Sep 8 16:28:29 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id QAA23404; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from upm.edu.my (scc.upm.edu.my [202.184.17.1]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with SMTP id QAA23397 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 16:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from inet.upm.edu.my by scc.upm.edu.my (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA00758; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:36:10 -0800 Received: from admin.upm.edu.my by inet.upm.edu.my (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA07668; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:35:00 -0800 Received: from hpomni.brandenburg.com by admin.upm.edu.my (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id HAA26059; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 07:34:46 -0800 Message-Id: <199809091534.HAA26059@admin.upm.edu.my> X-Sender: dcrocker@mail.bayarea.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.56 (Beta) Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 07:33:41 +0800 To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM From: Dave Crocker Subject: Posting-rate limiting mechanisms In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980902192835.00894450@stingray.ivision.co.uk> References: <35ED6DFB.6F02@usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I've seen lists that limit the number of posts per person and/or number of total posts on a daily basis. However I can't remember what lists and this doesn't seem to be a standard feature on any of the list software. Can anyone fill in the blanks on this? There seems to be some growing sentiment for having limitations to the number of posts per day a person can make, as a way of reducing personal "spamming" that some contributors make. Thanks. d/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Dave CROCKER Brandenburg Consulting Tel: +1(408)246 8253 Fax: +1 408 273 6464 Tel: +60(19)3299 445 675 Spruce Drive P. O. Box 296, UPM Sunnyvale, CA 94086 Serdang, Selangor 43400 UNITED STATES MALAYSIA From list-managers-owner Tue Sep 8 19:39:45 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id TAA25554; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 19:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from antiochus-fe0.ultra.net (antiochus-fe0.ultra.net [146.115.8.188]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id TAA25547 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 19:21:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from voyager (d70.dial-4.cmb.ma.ultra.net [209.6.67.70]) by antiochus-fe0.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult.n14767) with SMTP id WAA00878; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 22:33:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980909023312.012ae080@pop.ma.ultranet.com> X-Sender: stanr@pop.ma.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 22:33:12 -0400 To: Dave Crocker From: Stan Ryckman Subject: Re: Posting-rate limiting mechanisms Cc: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk At 07:33 AM 9/9/98 +0800, Dave Crocker wrote: >I've seen lists that limit the number of posts per person and/or number of >total posts on a daily basis. However I can't remember what lists and this >doesn't seem to be a standard feature on any of the list software. LISTSERV(tm) lists have these numbers as parameters settable by the list owner. They are per-calendar-day numbers, and the same number applies to all subscribers (except list owners, who are exempt). Cheers, Stan From list-managers-owner Wed Sep 16 00:02:52 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id XAA00271; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:48:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) id XAA00260 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from antiochus-fe0.ultra.net (antiochus-fe0.ultra.net [146.115.8.188]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id TAA27736 for ; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 19:13:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from voyager (d105.dial-4.cmb.ma.ultra.net [209.6.67.105]) by antiochus-fe0.ultra.net (8.8.8/ult.n14767) with SMTP id WAA13137; Sun, 6 Sep 1998 22:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19980907022606.012f8b50@pop.ma.ultranet.com> X-Sender: stanr@pop.ma.ultranet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 22:26:06 -0400 To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM From: Stan Ryckman Subject: Re: Truncated Digests Mystery Cc: TH0M@usa.net (TT), "David W. Tamkin" Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk (This is getting to be kind of a hard thread to follow, with some posters' posts showing up right away, and others days later. Mine always seem to take days--is this perhaps a partially-moderated list?) At 04:24 PM 9/5/98 -0500, David W. Tamkin wrote: >Tommi Thompson wrote, [snipped] Anyway, without quoting everything, there's another possible place to look. Sometimes mail can get delivered OK in its entirety, but the client won't display it. Depending on the storage method the client uses, it may be possible to look directly with "more", an editor, "od -c | more", or something similar. (But make sure it's not sensitive to ^Z :) For example, Eudora 2.2 (32) stores the messages for folder X in file X.mbx and message locators in file X.toc (and attachments elsewhere--another story). When something really screwball confused it (a mis-attached attachment or something), I was able to look directly into the .mbx file and see what came in (no further details--I've forgotten, except that I knew what it was and didn't want it so I just deleted the message). Then one could, if it's all there, maybe see what confuses the client during the display process *IF* (and a big IF) that's where the problem lies. It *may* be possible to copy the message to a "new" folder and do this experiment with less clutter around. Just a thought, Stan From list-managers-owner Thu Sep 17 06:54:52 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id GAA28601; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 06:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from home.cru.fr (home.cru.fr [195.220.94.39]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id GAA28567 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 06:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from home.cru.fr (salaun@localhost.cru.fr [127.0.0.1]) by home.cru.fr (8.8.7/jtpda-5.2) with ESMTP id PAA32127 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:45:32 +0200 Message-Id: <199809171345.PAA32127@home.cru.fr> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: The Mailing List Software Inventory Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 15:45:32 +0200 From: Salaun - Comite Reseaux des Universites Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk http://www.cru.fr/listes/apropos/robots.html This document draws a panorama of existing MLMs, providing general and technical information about 30 software. Your comments are welcome. Thanks. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Olivier SALAÜN Comité Réseau des Universités Tel: 02 99 84 71 27 Campus de Beaulieu 35042 Rennes Cedex Francopholistes http://www.cru.fr/listes/ From list-managers-owner Thu Sep 17 19:24:24 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id RAA07353; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BreszLand.COM (bresz-gw.pgh.sgi.net [209.166.132.46]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id RAA07318 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BreszLand.COM (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by BreszLand.COM (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA02203; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:07:03 -0400 Message-Id: <199809180107.VAA02203@BreszLand.COM> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM cc: fpb@BreszLand.COM Subject: Re: Truncated Digests Mystery In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 16 Sep 1998 01:00:35 PDT." <199809160800.BAA01228@honor.greatcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:07:03 -0400 From: "Frank P. Bresz" Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I have noticed this on my mailing list as well, it seems, as near as we have been able to figure out to be associated with Outlook and the WinMail.Dat file that it likes to attach to messages. I have been trying to figure out a way to eliminate just the winmail.dat and not nuke the whole message on people. Anyway just my $0.02. P.S. Any help on the elimination of the winmail stuff automatically appreciated. -- - Frank P. Bresz }*{ From list-managers-owner Thu Sep 17 19:41:18 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id RAA07552; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) id RAA07542 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 17:57:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kitsune.swcp.com (swcp.com [198.59.115.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id KAA10859 for ; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from lazlo@localhost) by kitsune.swcp.com (8.8.8/1.2.3) id LAA14071 for List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM; Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:23:32 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <19980916112332.A13943@swcp.com> Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 11:23:32 -0600 From: Lazlo Nibble To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Truncated Digests Mystery Mail-Followup-To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM References: <2.2.32.19980907022606.012f8b50@pop.ma.ultranet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19980907022606.012f8b50@pop.ma.ultranet.com>; from Stan Ryckman on Sun, Sep 06, 1998 at 10:26:06PM -0400 Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Sun, Sep 06, 1998 at 10:26:06PM -0400, Stan Ryckman wrote: > (This is getting to be kind of a hard thread to follow, with some > posters' posts showing up right away, and others days later. Mine > always seem to take days--is this perhaps a partially-moderated list?) More than likely you're triggering majordomo's administrivia checks. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@studio-nibble.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists From list-managers-owner Fri Sep 18 00:01:32 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id WAA11291; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sparc.sandiegoca.ncr.com (tan7.NCR.COM [192.127.94.7]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id WAA11284 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from bhoule@localhost) by sparc.sandiegoca.ncr.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) id WAA11393; Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:52:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Houle Message-Id: <199809180552.WAA11393@sparc.sandiegoca.ncr.com> Subject: Re: Truncated Digests Mystery To: fpb@BreszLand.COM (Frank P. Bresz) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 22:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Cc: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM, fpb@BreszLand.COM In-Reply-To: <199809180107.VAA02203@BreszLand.COM> from "Frank P. Bresz" at Sep 17, 98 09:07:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Frank P. Bresz said: > > P.S. Any help on the elimination of the winmail stuff automatically > appreciated. Assuming Outlook as an Exchange client? The IMS (Exchange's SMTP gateway) can be configured to allow-user-to-choose/never/always send the WINMAIL.DAT. We set "never". If you allow user choice, addresses in the address book will have a "Send Rich Text?" property. Turn it off. Addresses not in the address book default to "yes". --bill