From list-managers-owner Thu Oct 1 10:58:28 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id KAA04929; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gatekeep.ti.com (gatekeep.ti.com [192.94.94.61]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id KAA04922 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asic.sc.ti.com ([172.24.154.7]) by gatekeep.ti.com (8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA22019 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:57:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from espp-srv.asic.sc.ti.com (espp-srv [156.117.178.40]) by asic.sc.ti.com (8.8.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA24272 for ; Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:57:37 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 12:57:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Perry Narzem To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: Duplicate Mail Messages Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk To List-managers, Here is my question, If I compose a list that is made up of mutilple aliases, and I am a member of 2 aliases is there a way for majordomo to realize that I am in 2 aliases and not send duplicate mail. If you are using sendmail alone, sendmail expands the aliases and removes the duplicates and then sends the mail. Majordomo seems to be sending mail to whichever alias and not seeing that there is a duplicate address. Anybody have any solutions? Thanks Perry Narzem ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Perry Narzem | On Loan to | TI Email: pnarzem@asic.sc.ti.com Texas Instruments | Paranet Email: ppnarzem@sprintparanet.com from Sprint Paranet Inc | MSG ID: NRZM phone: (972) 480-4435 From list-managers-owner Sun Oct 4 11:10:49 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id KAA05888; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id KAA05873 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.228.155.84] (helo=A470.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zPsTj-0002sK-00 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:02:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 8969 invoked by uid 500); 4 Oct 1998 02:00:39 -0000 Message-ID: <19981004020038.A8713@A470.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 02:00:38 +0000 From: Darren Wyn Rees To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: mail2news (list -> usenet) script Mail-Followup-To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i X-WWW: http://www.netlink.co.uk/cgi-merlin/lwgate X-PGP: finger merlin@netlink.co.uk for key X-PGP-Fingerprint: F8 79 5E 84 F0 20 A5 62 FA 2D E9 BD BE 06 7D 10 Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk I need some sort of a script to gateway a list to a newsgroup under the alt.music* hierarchy. I've not done this before. It's for a low-volume music mailing list and the newsgroup is quite new (the people involved in the mailing list helped in the newsgroup creation and it seems like a good idea to do this gatewaying for a while). I'd best clarify that I'm not looking for a killer-package (I've got Rich Salz's mail2news and it's overkill for what I need) and it's only list-mail --> usenet; not bi-directional. Any tips on a neat, efficient script? (Perl, whatever...) Thnx -- Darren Rees merlin@netlink.co.uk 2000+ Berfau; fformat .zip .htm M$ Access CSV http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/merlin/berfau/ From list-managers-owner Sun Oct 4 19:28:22 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id TAA10797; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id TAA10790 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 19:15:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Mercury.mcs.net (dattier@Mercury.mcs.net [192.160.127.80]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id VAA17451; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:32:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from dattier@localhost) by Mercury.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) id VAA04759; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:32:47 -0500 (CDT) From: "David W. Tamkin" Message-Id: <199810050232.VAA04759@Mercury.mcs.net> Subject: Re: mail2news (list -> usenet) script To: merlin@A470.demon.co.uk (Darren Wyn Rees) Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:32:46 -0500 (CDT) Cc: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM In-Reply-To: <19981004020038.A8713@A470.demon.co.uk> from "Darren Wyn Rees" at Oct 4, 98 02:00:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Darren Rees wrote, | I need some sort of a script to gateway a list to a | newsgroup under the alt.music* hierarchy. I've | not done this before. It's for a low-volume | music mailing list and the newsgroup is quite | new (the people involved in the mailing list | helped in the newsgroup creation and it | seems like a good idea to do this gatewaying | for a while). | | I'd best clarify that I'm not looking for | a killer-package (I've got Rich Salz's | mail2news and it's overkill for what I need) | and it's only list-mail --> usenet; not | bi-directional. | | Any tips on a neat, efficient script? (Perl, | whatever...) You can just add a Newsgroups: header and feed it to inews -h. From list-managers-owner Tue Oct 6 13:50:50 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id NAA11382; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:38:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dt053nb4.san.rr.com (dt053nb4.san.rr.com [204.210.34.180]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id NAA11374 for ; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dal.net (Studded@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dt053nb4.san.rr.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA21090; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:55:14 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Studded@dal.net) Message-ID: <361A83B1.991B7CD8@dal.net> Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 13:55:14 -0700 From: Studded Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5b2 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 2.2.7-STABLE-0929 i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Perry Narzem CC: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Subject: Re: Duplicate Mail Messages References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Perry Narzem wrote: > > To List-managers, > > Here is my question, > > If I compose a list that is made up of mutilple aliases, and I am a member > of 2 aliases is there a way for majordomo to realize that I am in 2 > aliases and not send duplicate mail. In the future, please send questions about majordomo to majordomo-users@greatcircle.com. At this time there is no way for majordomo lists using resend to recognize duplicates. In the development version of majordomo 2 this capacity is being developed. Doug -- *** Chief Operations Officer, DALnet IRC network *** Go PADRES! From list-managers-owner Tue Oct 6 15:34:58 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id PAA12753; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:06:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) id PAA12745 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:06:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sws5.ctd.ornl.gov (sws5.ctd.ornl.gov [128.219.128.125]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with SMTP id MAA24772 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 12:26:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 183121 invoked by uid 3995); 5 Oct 1998 19:43:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <13849.8549.808417.794051@sws5.ctd.ornl.gov> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 15:43:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Dave Sill To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: mail2news (list -> usenet) script In-Reply-To: <19981004020038.A8713@A470.demon.co.uk> References: <19981004020038.A8713@A470.demon.co.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.53 under 21.0 "Norwegian" XEmacs Lucid Organization: Oak Ridge National Lab, Oak Ridge, Tenn., USA X-Face: "p~Q]mg{;e*}YR|)&Q/&Q\*~5UWfZX34;5M wrote: > >I'd best clarify that I'm not looking for >a killer-package (I've got Rich Salz's >mail2news and it's overkill for what I need) >and it's only list-mail --> usenet; not >bi-directional. Rich's package is newsgate, which includes mail2news and news2mail. If you're not going to use a "killer-package", be *very* careful. Broken mail<->news gateways are easy to create and can do lots of damage. I've used newsgate for years without any trouble. -Dave From list-managers-owner Tue Oct 6 15:50:37 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id PAA12669; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:06:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) id PAA12659 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vesta.na.informix.com (ifmxlenx.na.informix.com [192.147.111.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id UAA11479 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 20:18:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dg-crenaud (compserv8.na.informix.com [134.168.240.8]) by vesta.na.informix.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA26278 for ; Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:35:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199810050335.WAA26278@vesta.na.informix.com> From: "Chuck Renaud" To: list-managers@GreatCircle.COM Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:35:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: mail2news (list -> usenet) script Reply-to: cjrenaud@sinnfree.org In-reply-to: <19981004020038.A8713@A470.demon.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > I'd best clarify that I'm not looking for > a killer-package (I've got Rich Salz's > mail2news and it's overkill for what I need) > and it's only list-mail --> usenet; not > bi-directional. Last time I used mail2news, it was bidirectional by nature. You set up the newsgroup's moderator to be the list address. Therefore: * If someone posted to the newsgroup, it would be forwarded to the list address for approval. One of the list's subscribers would be an alias to the script that adds the "Approved" header and then ships it off to the newsgroup. * If someone posted to the mailing list, it would do the same as above, minus the first sentence. I believe it requires a configuration change on the news server, however. A lot of providers balk at this. Not sure if that helps, but it was a headache getting mine set up, especially to an alt.* newsgroup. It didn't help that I was trying to retrofit moderation to an existing newsgroup, either. --Chuck Renaud cjrenaud@sinnfree.org From list-managers-owner Tue Oct 6 16:04:39 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id PAA12766; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) id PAA12758 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Tue, 6 Oct 1998 15:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (news-ma.rhein-neckar.de [193.197.90.3]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id NAA25812 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 13:51:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mips.rhein-neckar.de (uucp@localhost) by news-ma.rhein-neckar.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) with bsmtp id XAA23351 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:07:58 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de) Received: by mips.rhein-neckar.de id m0zQGv7-000WyUC (Debian Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #2); Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:07:49 +0200 (CEST) To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Path: not-for-mail From: naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de (Christian Weisgerber) Newsgroups: list.list.managers Subject: Re: mail2news (list -> usenet) script Date: 5 Oct 1998 22:07:48 +0200 Lines: 25 Message-ID: <6vb8uk$b7m$1@mips.rhein-neckar.de> References: <19981004020038.A8713@A470.demon.co.uk> X-Newsreader: trn 4.0-test67 (15 July 1998) Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk In article <19981004020038.A8713@A470.demon.co.uk>, Darren Wyn Rees wrote: > I need some sort of a script to gateway a list to a > newsgroup under the alt.music* hierarchy. [...] > I'd best clarify that I'm not looking for > a killer-package (I've got Rich Salz's > mail2news and it's overkill for what I need) Why so? I use Rich's mail2news to gateway a variety of mailing lists (including list-managers) to local newsgroups. mail2news is simplicity itself. All you need is an alias entry to have your MTA deliver the messages to mail2news. Something along the lines of foo-list: "/usr/bin/mail2news -n alt.music.foo" A possible argument against mail2news could be that you don't like its header munging. However, what it does appears to be quite sensible, and is likely to be much better than any quick hacks you are likely to come up with, e.g. this "|inews -h" suggestion somebody else mentioned. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.rhein-neckar.de carpe librum: books 'n' reviews From list-managers-owner Wed Oct 7 13:38:21 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id NAA02849; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:03:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from magicnet.magicnet.net (magicnet.magicnet.net [204.96.116.9]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id NAA02842 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 13:02:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ip4.isrs.magicnet.net (ip4.isrs.magicnet.net [208.6.223.84]) by magicnet.magicnet.net (8.8.6/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA14215 for ; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ip4.isrs.magicnet.net with Microsoft Mail id <01BDF20F.18D0A4C0@ip4.isrs.magicnet.net>; Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:25:29 -0700 Message-ID: <01BDF20F.18D0A4C0@ip4.isrs.magicnet.net> From: Lane Bennett To: "'list-managers@greatcircle.com'" Subject: majordomo Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:25:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Error message The problem: my host upgraded to sendmail 8.9.1 my .cf file is version 5. The warning that I receive is this: Warning: .cf file is out of date: sendmail 8.9.1 supports version 8, .cf file is version 5. Warning: Group writable directory /var/spool/bqueue/etc/aliases: 1 aliases, longest 15 bytes, 23 bytes total. Please respond, tell me even if you can't help. <-------------------- Lane Bennett --------------------> WebMaster ISRS 888.813.4777 Ext. 26 lane@isrs.org ---------------------------------------------------------------- From list-managers-owner Thu Oct 8 07:58:33 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id HAA17287; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:40:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ourgallery.ourgallery.com ([207.180.223.9]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with SMTP id HAA17273 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 07:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from k6 (unverified [199.190.124.71]) by ourgallery.ourgallery.com (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:54:42 -0400 Message-Id: <4.1.19981008084952.03749d70@earthone.com> X-Sender: ray@earthone.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 08:57:30 -0400 To: List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM From: Ray Gabriel Subject: Majordomo Resources In-Reply-To: <199810080800.BAA10893@honor.greatcircle.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk >From: Lane Bennett >Subject: majordomo >The problem: my host upgraded to sendmail 8.9.1 my .cf file is version >5.>The warning that I receive is this: Warning: .cf file is out of >date: >sendmail 8.9.1 supports version 8, .cf file is version 5. Hi Lane, I've been installing a number Majordomo lists but not with the technical problems you detail. The best place to ask and get answers is the Majordomo Users List. One for all Majordomo list owners/managers to subscribe to: To subscribe to the Majordomo-Users mailing list, send the following command in the body of an email message (NOT on the "Subject:" line!) to Majordomo@GreatCircle.COM subscribe majordomo-users Or visit the Majordomo home page at: http://www.greatcircle.com/majordomo/ Good luck! Ray Gabriel ____________________________________________________ a global community of 8,000 members in 160 countries Association for International Business http://www.earthone.com From list-managers-owner Thu Oct 8 10:10:15 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id JAA18900; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scientia.demon.co.uk (scientia.demon.co.uk [212.228.14.13]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id JAA18893 for ; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ben by scientia.demon.co.uk with local (Exim 2.04 #20) id 0zRHZs-0003Ha-00; Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:02:04 +0100 Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 16:02:04 +0100 From: Ben Smithurst To: Lane Bennett , "'list-managers@greatcircle.com'" Subject: Re: majordomo Message-ID: <19981008160204.B12576@scientia.demon.co.uk> References: <01BDF20F.18D0A4C0@ip4.isrs.magicnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <01BDF20F.18D0A4C0@ip4.isrs.magicnet.net> User-Agent: Mutt/0.94.3i (FreeBSD 3.0-BETA i386) Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Lane Bennett wrote: > The problem: my host upgraded to sendmail 8.9.1 my .cf file is version 5. > > The warning that I receive is this: Warning: .cf file is out of date: sendmail 8.9.1 supports version 8, .cf file is version 5. > > Warning: Group writable directory /var/spool/bqueue/etc/aliases: 1 aliases, longest 15 bytes, 23 bytes total. This is nothing to do with Majordomo (which you mentioned in your Subject) or the running of mailing lists, which this list is for. This looks like a Sendmail problem to me, read the FAQ at http://www.sendmail.org/faq/ and look for any sendmail mailing lists (you could also try reading comp.mail.sendmail). Of course, it's not unknown for me to be wrong :-) -- Ben Smithurst : ben@scientia.demon.co.uk : http://www.scientia.demon.co.uk/ PGP: 0x99392F7D - 3D 89 87 42 CE CA 93 4C 68 32 0E D5 36 05 3D 16 http://www.scientia.demon.co.uk/ben/pgp-key.html (or use keyservers) From list-managers-owner Fri Oct 9 16:49:45 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id QAA09810; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id QAA09803 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 16:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.228.155.84] (helo=A470.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zRmP2-0006Yx-00 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Fri, 9 Oct 1998 23:56:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 10417 invoked by uid 500); 10 Oct 1998 00:21:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19981010002111.A10413@A470.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:21:11 +0000 From: Darren Wyn Rees To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: Re: mail2news (list -> usenet) script Mail-Followup-To: list-managers@greatcircle.com References: <19981004020038.A8713@A470.demon.co.uk> <6vb8uk$b7m$1@mips.rhein-neckar.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i In-Reply-To: <6vb8uk$b7m$1@mips.rhein-neckar.de>; from Christian Weisgerber on Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 10:07:48PM +0200 X-WWW: http://www.netlink.co.uk/cgi-merlin/lwgate X-PGP: finger merlin@netlink.co.uk for key X-PGP-Fingerprint: F8 79 5E 84 F0 20 A5 62 FA 2D E9 BD BE 06 7D 10 Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 10:07:48PM +0200, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > mail2news is simplicity itself. [...] > Something along the lines of > > foo-list: "/usr/bin/mail2news -n alt.music.foo" On second thoughts, I'll go back and retry mail2news (first on a local newsgroup, and then elsewhere). > is likely to be much better than any quick hacks you are likely to come > up with, e.g. this "|inews -h" suggestion somebody else mentioned. Yes, that doesn't mung headers such as In-Reply-To/References: etc. -- Darren Rees merlin@netlink.co.uk From list-managers-owner Tue Oct 13 09:45:43 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id JAA04054; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wanadoo.fr (smtp-out-1.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.68]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id JAA04047 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:40:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aralia.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.42] by wanadoo.fr for Paris Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:57:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from nice9-34.abo.wanadoo.fr [164.138.13.34] by smtp.wanadoo.fr for Paris Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:57:57 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: From: "Christian F. Masse (myfirstbillion.com)" To: "List-Managers Mailing List" Subject: OUTSOURCING THE MARKETING OF MY E-MAILED NEWSLETTER Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 18:58:44 +0100 Message-ID: <000901bdf6d3$1e2f7180$4c90fcc1@krissmis> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, $ I am desperately searching for info about sub-contractors who could help me for my marketing, in a legal and Net ethical way. I spotted an article in clickZ.com, but unfortunately I wasn't able to retrieve it. Has someone read it? $ Title: "The Buck Stops Here... Building Your Audience Through One Unique Program" $ <> $ I clicked on this article but I got http://www.searchz.com/wmo/051598.shtml instead, whose topic has nothing to do with the subject above. $ Also, I went to NetCreations, but their links about this Direct Marketing method failed miserably. Indeed, http://www.netcreations.com/ send you to http://www.postmasterdirect.com/, but this latter is unavailable. $ Does somebody know something about this kind of $1/subscription program??! Thanks! Christian. $ GIVEAWAY-SELL: The cheaper marketing mix! (SM) 1998-10-01: http://myfirstbillion.com/. From list-managers-owner Wed Oct 14 04:47:35 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id EAA18663; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 04:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wanadoo.fr (smtp-out-1.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.68]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id EAA18655 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 04:38:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from root@tamaya.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.31] by wanadoo.fr for Paris Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:56:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from nice7-34.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.252.183.34] by smtp.wanadoo.fr for Paris Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:56:12 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: From: "Christian F. Masse (myfirstbillion.com)" To: "List-Managers Mailing List" Subject: $1 per new subscriber (Follow-up) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:56:58 +0100 Message-ID: <000601bdf772$21074960$33b7fcc1@krissmis> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, $ 2 persons tipped me off-line about: http://www.searchz.com/wmo/050198.shtml http://www.searchz.com/wmo/050898.shtml http://www.searchz.com/wmo/051498.shtml http://www.postmasterdirect.com/per-inquiry Thanks! Christian. $ GIVEAWAY-SELL: The cheaper marketing mix! (SM) 1998-10-01: http://myfirstbillion.com/. From list-managers-owner Wed Oct 14 10:47:50 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id KAA23006; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:33:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elvis.vnet.net (elvis.vnet.net [166.82.1.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id KAA22999 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 10:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from katie.vnet.net (murr@katie.vnet.net [166.82.1.7]) by elvis.vnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id NAA02054; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:51:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (murr@localhost) by katie.vnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA21198; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:51:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: katie.vnet.net: murr owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:51:28 -0400 (EDT) From: murr rhame To: "Christian F. Masse (myfirstbillion.com)" cc: List-Managers Mailing List Subject: Re: $1 per new subscriber (Follow-up) In-Reply-To: <000601bdf772$21074960$33b7fcc1@krissmis> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk What's the scoop? Are these folks buying subscriber lists? I'd rather open my veins. Hangin's too good for spammers. - murr - On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, Christian F. Masse (myfirstbillion.com) wrote: > 2 persons tipped me off-line about: > http://www.searchz.com/wmo/050198.shtml > http://www.searchz.com/wmo/050898.shtml > http://www.searchz.com/wmo/051498.shtml > http://www.postmasterdirect.com/per-inquiry From list-managers-owner Wed Oct 14 13:29:37 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id NAA24852; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:11:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wanadoo.fr (smtp-out-2.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.69]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id NAA24845 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:11:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aralia.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.42] by wanadoo.fr for Paris Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:28:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from nice9-52.abo.wanadoo.fr [164.138.13.52] by smtp.wanadoo.fr for Paris Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:28:56 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: From: "Christian F. Masse (myfirstbillion.com)" To: "murr rhame" Cc: "List-Managers Mailing List" Subject: RE: $1 per new subscriber (Follow-up) Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:29:36 +0100 Message-ID: <002a01bdf7b9$c09d8100$340d8aa4@krissmis> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, $ No, they do not buy mailing list from newsletter publishers like us. $ PostMasterDirect does two things (among many): $ 1. They send e-mail ads to people who voluntarily agreed to receive e-mail ads. (I DO NOT FAVOR THAT.) $ 2. They have a highly visited page, at NetCreations, where publishers (like US News) propose FREE subscription trial to folks. NetCreations pay webmasters to link to this page. Publishers who get new subscribers pay $1 per subscribtion. $ Please understand that my purpose is not to tout NetCreations. I am just discovering this service, and I have posted my past 2 contributions in order to get advice from newsletter publishers who are more experienced than I am. $ I would like to outsource my marketing in order to concentrate on the content. That's just an idea for now... Thanks! Christian. $ PS: As a result of my 2 past postings, I have received 2 automatic e-mail ads from http://www.internet-transact.com & http://www.bannerco-op.com promising me Heaven and one billion hits... $ GIVEAWAY-SELL: The cheaper marketing mix! (SM) 1998-10-01: http://myfirstbillion.com/. -----Original Message----- From: murr rhame [mailto:murr@vnet.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 6:51 PM To: Christian F. Masse (myfirstbillion.com) Cc: List-Managers Mailing List Subject: Re: $1 per new subscriber (Follow-up) What's the scoop? Are these folks buying subscriber lists? I'd rather open my veins. Hangin's too good for spammers. - murr - On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, Christian F. Masse (myfirstbillion.com) wrote: > 2 persons tipped me off-line about: > http://www.searchz.com/wmo/050198.shtml > http://www.searchz.com/wmo/050898.shtml > http://www.searchz.com/wmo/051498.shtml > http://www.postmasterdirect.com/per-inquiry From list-managers-owner Wed Oct 14 16:02:22 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id PAA26848; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kitsune.swcp.com (swcp.com [198.59.115.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id PAA26840 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:54:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from lazlo@localhost) by kitsune.swcp.com (8.8.8/1.2.3) id RAA19421 for List-Managers@GreatCircle.COM; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:13:27 -0600 (MDT) From: Lazlo Nibble Message-ID: <19981014171327.A19251@swcp.com> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 17:13:27 -0600 To: List-Managers Mailing List Subject: Re: $1 per new subscriber (Follow-up) Mail-Followup-To: List-Managers Mailing List References: <002a01bdf7b9$c09d8100$340d8aa4@krissmis> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i In-Reply-To: <002a01bdf7b9$c09d8100$340d8aa4@krissmis>; from Christian F. Masse (myfirstbillion.com) on Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 10:29:36PM +0100 Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 10:29:36PM +0100, Christian F. Masse (myfirstbillion.com) wrote: > 1. They send e-mail ads to people who voluntarily agreed to receive e-mail > ads. (I DO NOT FAVOR THAT.) Shame, because that's the only ethical way to do it. -- Lazlo Nibble | "There's no moral, Uncle Remus, just lazlo@swcp.com | random acts of meaningless violence." http://www.swcp.com/lazlo | -- Michael O'Donoghue From list-managers-owner Wed Oct 14 18:17:18 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id SAA28272; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:05:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.telephonet.com (ns.telephonet.com [207.252.88.11]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id SAA28265 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 18:05:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.252.88.49] (vjs.telephonet.com [207.252.88.49]) by ns.telephonet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA13426 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:24:00 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <002a01bdf7b9$c09d8100$340d8aa4@krissmis> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Organization: Little to None X-Mailer: Eudora 4.0 for Cray T3E-1200 Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:21:35 -0400 To: "List-Managers Mailing List" From: Vince Sabio Subject: RE: $1 per new subscriber (Follow-up) Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk ** Sometime around 17:29 -0400 10/14/98, Christian F. Masse (myfirstbillion.com) sent everyone all these extra dollar signs: >Hello, >$ >No, they do not buy mailing list from newsletter publishers like us. >$ >PostMasterDirect does two things (among many): >$ >1. They send e-mail ads to people who voluntarily agreed to receive e-mail >ads. (I DO NOT FAVOR THAT.) HUH? What am I missing here? Why would anyone not favor VOLUNTARY subscription to e-mail-based advertising? AFAIC, the opt-in methods used netcretions.com (and postmasterdirect.com) are the only decent way to advertise directly by e-mail. Pray, are you a spammer? - Vince From list-managers-owner Wed Oct 14 21:17:18 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id VAA00117; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elvis.vnet.net (elvis.vnet.net [166.82.1.5]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id VAA00110 for ; Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:08:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from katie.vnet.net (murr@katie.vnet.net [166.82.1.7]) by elvis.vnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.4) with ESMTP id AAA09519 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (murr@localhost) by katie.vnet.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA01847 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:26:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: katie.vnet.net: murr owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 00:26:56 -0400 (EDT) From: murr rhame To: List-Managers Mailing List Subject: RE: $1 per new subscriber (Follow-up) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, Vince Sabio wrote: > HUH? What am I missing here? Why would anyone not favor VOLUNTARY > subscription to e-mail-based advertising? Within very broad limits, I favor someone being able to volunteer for anything... Why would anyone volunteer to receive ads via email? Are these ads general purpose ads or targeted based on a questionare? Is there a limit on the total volume of ads? I have this image of someone saying "yup I'd like to see some ads" only to find 1000+ pieces of "Make Money Fast" and "See Our Naked Ladies Web Site" ads in their mail box every day. I get more than enough junk email without asking. Murr "no dollar marks posted" Rhame From list-managers-owner Thu Oct 15 06:34:41 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id GAA07545; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:15:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.telephonet.com (ns.telephonet.com [207.252.88.11]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id GAA07536 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [207.252.88.49] (vjs.telephonet.com [207.252.88.49]) by ns.telephonet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA16939; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:33:45 -0400 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Organization: Little to None X-Mailer: Eudora 4.0 for Cray T3E-1200 Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:34:10 -0400 To: murr rhame , List-Managers Mailing List From: Vince Sabio Subject: RE: $1 per new subscriber (Follow-up) Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk ** Sometime around 0:26 -0400 10/15/98, murr rhame sent everyone: >On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, Vince Sabio wrote: > >> HUH? What am I missing here? Why would anyone not favor VOLUNTARY >> subscription to e-mail-based advertising? > >Within very broad limits, I favor someone being able to volunteer for >anything... Why would anyone volunteer to receive ads via email? Are >these ads general purpose ads or targeted based on a questionare? Is >there a limit on the total volume of ads? I have this image of >someone saying "yup I'd like to see some ads" only to find 1000+ >pieces of "Make Money Fast" and "See Our Naked Ladies Web Site" ads in >their mail box every day. I get more than enough junk email without >asking. Idunno -- I'm not signed up for it, but I remember checking out their Web site a LOOOONG time ago. IIRC, you can sign up for targeted e-mail on a plethora of topics, from general "send me all sports-related stuff" to more specific "I want information on soccer." That kinda thing. There was also a checkbox to receive adult material, I think. Hmmm, now that I mention it, maybe I should go check them out again ... ;-) Seriously, though, it's really a very targeted service (or at least tries to be). Back when we were first forming CAUCE, I had spoken with Rosalind Forgot-Her-Last-Name, one of the two founders of Netcreations, and I recall how adamant she was against spam -- even traveled down here to crap^H^H^H^Hbeautiful Warshington a few times to speak out against spam at several of the FCC/FTC hearings. Overall, they get high points in my book. (Netcreations, not the FTC hearings.) FWIW, of course. >Murr "no dollar marks posted" Rhame Thank you, Murr. Yet another reason why we all like you. __________________________________________________________________________ Vince Sabio Boy & His Sabre: vince@humournet.com Stop Internet Spam! Vince's Interior Decorating Tip #37 (collect the whole series!): "If it's not spaghetti, it doesn't belong on the wall." From list-managers-owner Thu Oct 15 06:46:49 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id GAA07786; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wanadoo.fr (smtp-out-1.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.68]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id GAA07779 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from root@tamaya.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.31] by wanadoo.fr for Paris Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:50:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from soph4-50.abo.wanadoo.fr [164.138.79.50] by smtp.wanadoo.fr for Paris Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:50:23 +0200 (MET DST) Reply-To: From: "Christian F. Masse (myfirstbillion.com)" To: "List-Managers Mailing List" Subject: RE: $1 per new subscriber (Follow-up) Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:51:08 +0100 Message-ID: <000101bdf84b$3ef7ba20$48b5fcc1@krissmis> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Hello, $ I wrote: <> $ The reason I do not favor that is that, usually, the e-mail receiver IS TRICKED into accepting these e-mailed ads. Go at the bottom of http://freetrials.netcreations.com and you will see that the form makes the one who wants the free trials believe that HE HAS to respond to all of the questions in order to get the free trials. THAT IS WHAT IS STATED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE FORM, WITH AN IMPERATIVE MOOD AND AN EXCLAMATION POINT! Later, at the bottom of the page, the fact that answering the additional questions on one's preferences is optional is buried somewhere. It is not UNEQUIVOCALLY AND CLEARLY STATED for the average Joe and Jane's attention span. Thus, these opt-in e-mailed ads are only opted-in due to a lack of comprehension of the terms of service -an antique trick used by unethical marketers. $ But, let's not forget why I created this thread: $ <<2. They have a highly visited page, at NetCreations, where publishers (like US News) propose FREE subscription trial to folks. NetCreations pay webmasters to link to this page. Publishers who get new subscribers pay $1 per subscribtion.>> $ Required reading: > http://www.searchz.com/wmo/050198.shtml > http://www.searchz.com/wmo/050898.shtml > http://www.searchz.com/wmo/051498.shtml > http://www.postmasterdirect.com/per-inquiry $ Do you think, YES OR NO, that it is a good idea to outsource the marketing of my newsletter? Do you think it is economically viable and Net ethical, to BUY e-mail addresses of people who want to test my publication? Thanks! Christian. $ 1998-10-01: http://myfirstbillion.com/ = the trade secrets of a killer Internet start-up! From list-managers-owner Fri Oct 16 22:26:48 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id VAA11383; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:25:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) id VAA11373 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:25:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.shelby.com (tile.net [207.90.155.2]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id HAA08838 for ; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 07:37:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.lyris.com by mail.shelby.com (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id HAA22469; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 07:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199810151441.HAA22469@mail.shelby.com> Received: from (kuno.shelby.com [207.90.155.16]) by mail.lyris.com with SMTP (MailShield v1.10 beta 2); Thu, 15 Oct 1998 07:41:17 -0700 From: "John Buckman" Organization: Lyris Technologies Inc. To: murr rhame Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 07:52:25 -0700 Subject: RE: $1 per new subscriber (Follow-up) CC: List-Managers Mailing List References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01b) Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk > On Wed, 14 Oct 1998, Vince Sabio wrote: > > > HUH? What am I missing here? Why would anyone not favor VOLUNTARY > > subscription to e-mail-based advertising? > > Within very broad limits, I favor someone being able to volunteer for > anything... Why would anyone volunteer to receive ads via email? Are > these ads general purpose ads or targeted based on a questionare? Is > there a limit on the total volume of ads? I have this image of someone > saying "yup I'd like to see some ads" only to find 1000+ pieces of "Make > Money Fast" and "See Our Naked Ladies Web Site" ads in their mail box > every day. I get more than enough junk email without asking. Murr wrote: "Why would anyone volunteer to receive ads via email? " The ads that Postmaster Direct send out are extremely targetted to the category that you signed up for. For example: "Chat plugins" or "Accounting software". I belong to a bunch of their lists because I want to receive ads about the narrow categories I am interested in. Because Postmaster Direct charges a fair amount ($.20) for the right to email me a single message, the email I get from them is usually on target, helpful, and only from companies with the money to spend to do this kind of advertising. john John Buckman - Lyris Technologies Inc. - www.lyris.com Developers of MailShield Anti-Spam Software and Lyris Email List Server From list-managers-owner Sun Oct 18 18:57:42 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id SAA13320; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 18:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from excitepost.co.uk (excitepost.whowhere.com [209.1.236.7]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with SMTP id SAA13313 for ; Sun, 18 Oct 1998 18:34:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Unknown/Local ([?.?.?.?]) by mailexcite.com; Sun Oct 18 18:53:52 1998 To: List-Managers-Digest@GreatCircle.COM Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 18:53:52 -0700 From: "Jennifer Zimbal" Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sent-Mail: off X-Mailer: MailCity Service Subject: (No Subject) X-Sender-Ip: 24.234.0.9 Organization: MailExcite (http://www.mailexcite.com:80) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk From list-managers-owner Wed Oct 21 19:32:04 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-Lists-980720-1) id TAA13290; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) id TAA13280 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Wed, 21 Oct 1998 19:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from findmail.com (m9.findmail.com [209.185.96.144]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with SMTP id MAA17242 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 236 invoked by uid 505); 20 Oct 1998 19:27:38 -0000 Date: 20 Oct 1998 19:27:38 -0000 Message-ID: <19981020192738.235.qmail@findmail.com> Received: from 152.163.207.58 (via http) from to list "list-managers" From: "Andrea M. Deaver \(Ann\)" Subject: Re: $1 per new subscriber (Follow-up) In-Reply-To: <19981014171327.A19251@swcp.com> To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk On Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 10:29:36PM +0100, Christian F. Masse (myfirstbillion.com) wrote: > 1. They send e-mail ads to people who voluntarily agreed to receive e-mail ads. (I DO NOT FAVOR THAT.) > > Shame, because that's the only ethical way to do it. > > --There are another ways. You can trade ads with other newsletters in a free exchange. You can register with list city for ads you approve and be paid a fee per thousand subscribers. You could join a web ring. I am sure there are other ways, also. Ann HeadScraps© the Newsletter > Lazlo Nibble | "There's no moral, Uncle Remus, just > lazlo@swcp.com | random acts of meaningless violence." > http://www.swcp.com/lazlo | -- Michael O'Donoghue > > ----- See the original message at http://www.egroups.com/list/list-managers/?start=8019 -- Free e-mail group hosting at http://www.eGroups.com/ From list-managers-owner Thu Oct 29 21:28:02 1998 Received: (majordom@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) id VAA26535 for list-managers-include; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:28:02 -0800 (PST) Received: (mcb@localhost) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) id VAA26525 for list-managers@greatcircle.com; Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:28:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.27]) by honor.greatcircle.com (8.8.5/Honor-980202-1) with ESMTP id KAA25901 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 10:06:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [212.228.155.84] (helo=A470.demon.co.uk) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.05demon1 #1) id 0zYaAF-000631-00 for List-Managers@GreatCircle.com; Wed, 28 Oct 1998 18:17:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 3293 invoked by uid 500); 28 Oct 1998 17:52:07 -0000 Message-ID: <19981028175207.A3280@A470.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 17:52:07 +0000 From: Darren Wyn Rees To: List-Managers Mailing List Subject: from a "centralist" to a "federal" list culture Mail-Followup-To: List-Managers Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i Organization: brwydro gwangiaid llamsach panwriaeth treigl ysbeilio X-PGP-812C54B1: F8 79 5E 84 F0 20 A5 62 FA 2D E9 BD BE 06 7D 10 Sender: list-managers-owner@GreatCircle.COM Precedence: bulk Am having a weird experience adjusting to a new list culture. As I'm unaware of any proper terms, I've used "centralist" to describe lists where subscribers are usually encouraged to mail the one address (a la majordom@ listproc@ listserv@) and "federal" to describe lists where subscribers use an EZMLM-type set-up : subscribe-listname...@ unsubscribe-listname@ etc. There are exceptions to this of course, as most of the "centralist" lists can use ...-request-type addresses; and vice-versa EZMLM can be set up to emulate a majordomo@ (to a certain extent). I was really unprepared for all this! And I'm basically wondering how other people have coped with radical changes to -their- list cultures? Cheers -- Darren Rees merlin @netlink.co.uk 2500+ Berfau; fformat .zip .htm http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/merlin/berfau/