From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Thu Jan 3 08:35:04 2002 Received: from clifford.inch.com (ns.biglist.com [216.223.208.40]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 545E5195B0E for ; Thu, 3 Jan 2002 08:35:01 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 7504 invoked by uid 501); 3 Jan 2002 16:35:00 -0000 Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 11:35:00 -0500 From: Omar Thameen To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: AOL failure notice Message-ID: <20020103113500.A7415@clifford.inch.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i X-Archive-Number: 200201/1 X-Sequence-Number: 65 I'm seeing some non-compliant DSN's from AOL, and all are of the format below. Specifically, they're replying to the list address rather than to the envelope or to the sender. Is this something one just deals with, or might there be someone at AOL interested in modifying the behavior? If so, what would be a good address to email? Omar --- Below this line is the original bounce. Return-Path: <> Received: (qmail 84082 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2002 07:33:31 -0000 Received: from air-za01.mail.aol.com (air-za01.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.102]) by omr-r02.mx.aol.com (v82.22) with ESMTP id RELAYIN6-0103023254; Thu, 03 Jan 2002 02:32:54 -0500 from: Mail Delivery Subsystem Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2002 02:29:17 EST To: Subject: Mail Delivery Problem Mailer: AIRmail [v83.26] Message-ID: <200201030232.MCBa05661@omr-r02.mx.aol.com> Sorry listname@dom.ain. Your mail to aol_user_name could not be delivered because aol_user_name is not accepting mail with attachments or embedded images ----- End forwarded message ----- From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Mon Jan 28 14:34:09 2002 Received: from bp.ucs.louisiana.edu (bp.ucs.louisiana.edu [130.70.132.231]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3568195AE6 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 14:33:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from louisiana.edu (h134212.louisiana.edu [130.70.134.212]) by bp.ucs.louisiana.edu (8.11.3/8.11.3/ull-ucs-server_1.6) with ESMTP id g0SMXqe27500 for ; Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:33:53 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <3C55D2E6.3959BBD2@louisiana.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:38:30 -0600 From: Istvan Berkeley Organization: Philosophy, The University of Louisiana at Lafayette X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: list-managers@greatcircle.com Subject: Public List Sites Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200201/2 X-Sequence-Number: 66 Hi there, I am advising two organisations who are totally new to the world of mailing lists. It seems that their ISP (they share the same one) cannot or will not run majordomo for them. They are thus interested in looking into publically available list services. I would be grateful if anyone has any suggestions as which outfits are worth seriously considering. The staff of both organisations are reasonably computer literate, but not too technically savvy. One organisation is a large non-profit, with an international profile. It is anticipated that their list would attract a large number of subscibers (at least 10,000+). For this reason, they would need a service that could handle large distributions. A service that was likely to be stable and not go out of business would be preferable too. They could spend some money, but as a non-profit would rather avoid doing so. The other organisation is a new small business. As money is tight, they would probably prefer a free service. Please reply off list. Many thanks in advance. Istvan -- Istvan S. N. Berkeley, Ph.D. Philosophy & Cognitive Science E-mail: istvan@louisiana.edu The University of Louisiana at Lafayette P.O. Box 43770 Tel: +1 337 482-6807 Lafayette, LA 70504-3770 Fax: +1 337 482-5002 USA http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~isb9112 From list-managers-owner@greatcircle.com Wed Jan 30 05:30:06 2002 Received: from penguin.postmodern.com (penguin.postmodern.com [216.240.39.2]) by mycroft.greatcircle.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28C8195BA3 for ; Wed, 30 Jan 2002 05:29:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from lists.apple.com (lists.apple.com [17.254.0.151]) by penguin.postmodern.com (8.11.1/8.11.1-mcb-20001119) with ESMTP id g0TKCqI02739 for ; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:12:52 -0800 Received: from [17.216.42.51] (A17-216-42-51.apple.com [17.216.42.51]) by lists.apple.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g0TKC5m00545; Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:12:10 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.0.0.1309 Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:12:15 -0800 Subject: In the "nominees for life achievement award" category... From: Chuq Von Rospach To: "list-managers@GreatCircle.COM" Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Archive-Number: 200201/3 X-Sequence-Number: 67 I send to you this new, improved bounce from the canadian cable TV people.... kfalkiner@rogers.com> (reason: 553 Due to a small error in your Email settings, you are currently unable to send Email. To quickly ... Website at http://rogershelp.com/smtp to access automatic tools and instructions to fix this error.) This is, by the way, mail being sent TO that user from my mail list, if it wasn't obvious. Also, just a heads-up. Looks like MSN.com is at it again in the "we're board, we're going to change everyone's email addresses again". Users that were subscribed as "foo@email.msn.com" are now being bounced to my systems as "foo@hotmail.msn.com". Which probably implies there is even more upcoming fun and games with hotmail.com, too. Stay tuned, I'm sure they'll do something to make our life easier soon.