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Subject: Re: [list-man] putting listname in the subject
From: Keith Moore <moore @ cs . utk . edu>
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 17:45:19 -0500
To: "John P. Rouillard" <rouilj @ terminus . cs . umb . edu>
Cc: mcb @ net . bio . net (Michael C. Berch), list-managers @ greatcircle . com, moore @ cs . utk . edu
In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 10 Feb 1994 13:51:53 EST." <>

> Nope, not everybody uses a real mailer like mh 8-). Some mailers don't
> even know any other headers except From, To, and Subject. Yes, they
> haven't got a clue about Reply-To 8-(. Some of them are so dumb as to
> think that Sender is for the MUA 8-).

Actually, sender is for the MUA, as is everything else in the header.  It's
just that the MUA shouldn't do anything with it except display it to the

> Yes, everybody should use mh and deliver, but if all the recipient has
> available is elm or pine, then they are out of luck. These two mailers
> are easy to use, and seem to be catching on and both can sort by
> subject. Neither supports the X-List-Name header, nor arguably should
> they since its an X header and is liable to go away tomorrow.

So let's define how lists should work, and eventually the support will
be there.

But putting the list name in the subject line just makes a bad situation
worse.  What's needed is a reasonable approach to mailing list handling,
not yet another wart.

Keith Moore

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