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Subject: Re: List-Managers-Digest V4 #32
From: Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer <info-labview-request @ pica . army . mil>
Organization: Electric Armts Div, US Army ARDEC, Picatinny Arsenal, NJ
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 95 13:12:38 EST
To: list-managers @ greatcircle . com

Gene Rackow wrote:
>Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer writes:
>>Edward Branley wrote:
>>>rex!aol.com!DWalheim writes:
>>>>I did read the rest of your message and still fail to see why a no-tolerance
>>>>bounce policy wouldn't solve your problem.
>>>
>>>I already have a no-tolerance policy in place. The problem is that AOL bounces
>>>messages in such a volume that the damage is already done by the time I drop
>>>the user. If 10 messages go out tomorrow to 3 AOL users who either have full
>>>mailboxes or don't exist any more (30-day wonders), that means 30 bounce
>>>messages hit my system (and that of my mailhost's sysadmin) *before* my
>>>zero-tolerance policy kicks in.  Last Saturday, that situation happened
>>>with 8 AOL users, making for close to 80 messages.  Making sense now?
>>
>>No. If you had 8 .edu addresses with full mailboxes, that would still have
>>given you 80 bounces, right? Or 8 .mil addresses, or 1 .mil, 2 .gov, 1 .com
>>& 4 .oz? Or does the math work differently?
>
>The problem, if you haven't already been told, is that AOL actually has
>a limit on the number of messages a user can get before it starts bouncing
>things back.  Most other sites do not have such limits. 

Funny, it's one of the big sources of bounces I get (OK, most sites
restrict disk space and not the number of msgs, but the impact on me as a
list maintainer is the same, IMO).

>Also, AOL sends back a message for each message and user that goes to AOL.
>If I bounced 8 addresses at any other site for 10 messages, I would get
>back 10 errors, not 80.  AOL is accepting the mail as valid, then splitting
>it out, and failing on each delivery, not the total package.  I haven't seen
>any other site broken in that way.

Whoa! We're talking about a specific mail failure: full mailboxes. The mail
IS being accpted as valid because it IS being delivered to a valid address.
The issue of full mailboxes does not impact the msg delivery to the host in
question, but the local disposition of that msg once it arrives there. If
I deliver to a host w/ 8 subscribers and one has a full mailbox, you really
think the msg should be rejected in toto? That makes no sense to me.
 
                  Tom Coradeschi, Info-LabVIEW List Maintainer
                      <info-labview-request@pica.army.mil>
                http://k-whiner.pica.army.mil/info-labview.html


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