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Subject: Abuse of newsgroup space by a mailing list manager.
From: close @ lunch . engr . sgi . com (Diane Barlow Close)
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 1995 08:51:17 -0700 (PDT)
To: list-managers @ greatcircle . com

This has to be one of the weirdest abuses of net resources I've seen by
a postmaster and system adiministrator.  Basically nbi.com uses Usenet
newsgroups to try to contact ONE person whenever that person's e-mail
bounces from nbi.com mailing lists:

> From: leigh@nbi.com (Leigh Melton)
Newsgroups: rec.crafts.textiles.sewing
Subject: attn: RHYS88A@prodigy.com
Message-ID: <oo0y0c2w165w@nbi.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 95 08:25:11 EDT

RHYS88A@prodigy.com has been unsubscribed from Sew-L.

You were unsubscribed AFTER your mail began to bounce because of "user
has decided not to accept Internet mail" errors began flooding in.

In future I hope you have the courtesy to unsubscribe from a mailing
list before you decide to not accept the mail which you ASKED to
receive.

* - - - - - - - - - - - *
|     Leigh Melton      |
|      Postmaster       |
|       nbi.com         |
|  Atlanta, Georgia USA |
* - - - - - - - - - - - *

****************************************

I sent Mr. Melton e-mail objecting to just a waste of newsgroup bandwidth.
I, personally, run several mailing lists -- e-mail bounces all the time
and if I posted everytime it happened I'd be posting 10-20 times a day!
If every list owner who read rec.crafts.textiles.sewing did so too, the
group would quickly be overrun with "hey, your e-mail is bouncing"
messages.  I asked Mr. Melton to deal with such issues privately and told
him the sewing newsgroup was not an appropriate place for such notices.

Mr. Melton forwarded my message to nbi.com's system administrator Joe
George.  Mr. George wrote me basically (and rudely) saying that they'll
f*ing do what they want, that it's their policy at their site to notify
users unsubscribed from their lists due to faults with e-mail of the
situation using Usenet newsgroups, and that they'll damn well continue to
do so.  Mr. George suggests if I, or anyone else, doesn't like this policy
to put nbi.com in the killfile.

I've put nbi.com in my killfile after seeing the first blatant waste
of newsgroup space.  Do any other list managers agree with, or follow,
the same policy as nbi.com?  I think this site has a ridiculous attitude
toward the Usenet newsgroups and their proper use, but am I out of touch
with the times (given all the spamming, etc. that goes on now) or am I
on target?
-- 
Diane Close
   close@lunch.engr.sgi.com
   I'm at lunch all day. :-)

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