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Subject: Re: Pangaea
From: Eric Thomas <ERIC @ VM . SE . LSOFT . COM>
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 1996 19:33:33 +0200
To: list-managers @ greatcircle . com
In-reply-to: Message of Tue, 9 Apr 1996 09:08:20 -0800 from Brent Chapman <Brent@GreatCircle.COM>

On Tue, 9  Apr 1996 09:08:20 -0800  Brent Chapman <Brent@GreatCircle.COM>
said:

>On  the other  hand, they  could have  simply subscribed  to your  lists
>without  bothering  to ask  first,  and  chances  are you'd  never  have
>noticed.

It  would  have  looked  like  a  subscription  spoof  and  been  handled
accordingly. Sorry, it's not like it's not been tried before.

>And look at this  from another point of view: I intend  to allow them to
>subscribe to my  lists. If they changed their default,  then I'd have to
>manually process all their subscriptions,  or send back a message saying
>"Yes, it's OK for you to subscribe."

Which would  take you  all of 30  seconds. My point  being that  THEY are
going to make money on the lists YOU run, typically on a volunteer basis,
and it is only  fair that THEY should make the  effort. This includes the
effort of adding 10 lines to their perl script so that they only send one
request for all the  lists hosted at any given machine,  to which you can
answer either YES TO ALL or YES  TO THE FOLLOWING. Then it takes you just
as long to say yes or no.

>The question is, which is more common: list owners that are going to say
>yes, or list owners that are going to say no? I think the former;

And you're perfectly  right. If being on vacation or  not having the time
to answer REJECT to 150 automatically generated messages counts as a yes,
there's  no question  that most  of  the list  owners will  say yes,  not
necessarily because they think it will  be a good service or because they
are eager  to contribute to the  paycheck of the author  of sendmail, but
simply because they don't have the time or energy to turn it off.

Brent, your  logic and rationale  here follows the assumption  that these
are good  people who are out  to do a  Good Thing. I appreciate  the fact
that you know  them personally and may feel this  way. The procedures and
etiquette, however,  should be the  same for  any company that  wishes to
provide this  kind of service.  It annoys me  to think that  if CyberPorn
Inc. made  the same request  tomorrow in  exactly the same  terms, except
with the intent  to publish X-rated advertisements  instead, people would
all be flaming them  for having made it so difficult  not to be included.
The thing is, personally I don't care  if it's the Pope or CyberPorn Inc.
I expect the same courtesy from both in terms of not wasting my time, and
I respect the fact that both are equally entitled to hope that I will let
them access my lists and thus the most reasonable default is YES.

  Eric


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