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Subject: reformatted (Received lines and tracking down invalid forwarding)
From: ckk @ uchicago . edu
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 1996 19:11:32 -0500
To: list-managers @ greatcircle . com
Reply-to: ckk @ uchicago . edu

I have found a workaround for the embarrassing EXMH problem which was causing 
some of my outgoing mail to go in very, very long lines, whole paragraphs with 
no line breaks. In response to a request or two, I'm resubmitting this message 
again and it better get linewrapped this time or I'l @*$&(*^&$#(*^&#$^!@$)(& 

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>>Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 13:48:33 -0500
>>Subject: Received lines and tracking down invalid forwarding 

Someone previously wrote:
> [...] and there are a tiny 
>number of mailers that don't insert Received lines, so this is not 
>perfect, but it is a good place to start if you can't idently the user 
>by username alone. 

and I responded (with shamefully unwrapped long lines):

Remember, folks, if you have any influence on any local Postmasters, if their 
hosts do NOT insert full, complete Received headers, PLEASE help by 
asking/begging them to consider fixing their configurations! It may not 
directly help them, but someday it may help you, in a situation like the one 
described here, where a mysterious bounced error results from a subscriber 
address being forwarded elsewhere...

Here's an example of a "complete" header. If you were trying to track why 
List-Managers-Digest subscriber "" had turned into actual 
address "" (say you were getting bounces from ornette 
even though no ornette address was on your list), this header would be crucial 
in tracing the forwarding path:

> Received: (from daemon@localhost) by (8.6.11/8.6.11)
> id MAA13692 for; Mon, 15 Apr 1996 12:07:37 -0500

There have been times when I had to track down a mystery and the only useful 
clue I had was one of the components of such a header. Sometimes even just the 
Queue ID ("MAA13692" in this case) can help, since the mail system syslog 
shows the queue ID on the entries listing the incoming originator, and 
outgoing recipient, addresses.

I have just decided to begin assembling a "Postmaster Information" Web page 
<URL:>, trying to collect 
ALL the information like this that an Internet Postmaster should know 
(including how to administer a mailing list server, PH directory server, 
etc.), into one place, since I've never seen it all collected before (if there 
already IS such a thing,specifically for the Internet Postmaster, please let 
us know the URL or the published book title! haven't looked at O'Reilly's 
Managing Internet Services yet for example).

Chris Koenigsberg,

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