At 10:08 AM 1/3/97 -0800, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
>At 5:58 AM -0800 1/3/97, Kjetil Torgrim Homme wrote:
>>You're assuming the threat in itself causes damage.
>Threats can and DO cause damage in and of themselves. I have been, for
>instance, been threatened more than once over the internet. Trust me,
>even threats aren't harmless. Having someone offer to track you down
>and work you over with a baseball bat, even if he's 1,500 miles away
>and a dweeb, slows you down and makes you just a bit more careful about
>life. (yes, it's happened. It's public record).
>It's real easy to talk theoretical and legalese, but trust me, when
>you've been in these situations, it's not so easy to make broad
>statements about how admins don't need to get involved.
How would an "admin" of some kind getting involved have saved you
any stress? Especially when we're talking about today's Internet in
which you can get connections for free (10/15/50/N hours free AOL,
etc) left and right, and it's not as simple as reporting something to
a school sysadmin anymore?
>Excuse me for being common sense here, but bluntly, if someone's
>abusing me or my list members, or making threats or being offensive, I
>don't want the damn idiot on my list anyway!
That's your _choice_, but it's not your _obligation_. I don't have
any sort of civic duty or legal responsibility to make the same choice
that you did.
>And if he's threatening
>bodily harm to someone, I don't give a damn if he's in Greenland locked
>up on a reindeer farm. All you need to do is guess wrong *once* to have
>to live with the results the rest of your life. Think about that one...
Keep in mind, Chuq, that we're talking about threats made off the list
in private email. Certainly you can control whatever goes across your
list, but that's not the point.
By the logic in your last sentence: Anyone on your lists should be
able to throw anyone else off if they don't like them. If I don't like
_you_, I should write to firstname.lastname@example.org and say
"Chuq threatened my life!" Even if I can't prove it, dare the list
owner take the chance? After all, guess wrong *once* and someone may
be dead! His only choice is to throw you off, and report you to the
>You have a responsibilty to provide a place where your members feel
>safe congregating, or you're abusing YOUR responsibility as a host.
>Plain and simple.
A place? Hello? This is not your party analogy. You're providing
a mailing list that people can join, and messages they can choose to
receive. It's not your responsibility to ensure their "safety" at
such a place -- because no such place exists.
You are not there to ensure "safe feelings". You are there to provide
a mailing list and run it according to your own rules. (Your personal
rules may involve "making people feel safe" but they don't have to.
Geez right back at you.
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