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Subject: Re: threading list archives
From: Bonnie Scott <bonnie @ staff . prodigy . com>
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 09:49:43 -0500 (EST)
To: Morna . Findlay @ newcastle . ac . uk, list-managers @ greatcircle . com
In-reply-to: <v02140b0eaf08fa52a0b6@[128.240.3.209]> from "Morna Findlay" at Jan 20, 97 10:33:08 am

> I'd be interested to know which programs *large* list-server sites use
> to mark-up,thread and index their archives for reading on the web.
> 
> We have about 1500 lists with about 100K members and have been using
> hypermail for a couple of years. We've looked at mhonarc, but think it will
> be too slow for us to use.

We have about 130 public lists with over 80,000 subscribers.  We also
use Hypermail.  When we do run into trouble, (and it's not my fault like
running out of disk space), it's usually because of extra-long header lines.
The largest number of messages we've HM'd is about 5,000.  (We have a 
script-based system that rotates the archives quarterly for the 
(batch-processed) unmoderated list archives.  The moderated lists' archives
are done interactively, as they come in.  

I guess we're looking for something else, because of the tendancy to hang and 
require intervention on the unmoderated lists, some of which are quite active.
(I just keep saying to myself that if I set it up better, it will run OK. Or 
maybe if I find the place in the code where it's storing the subject line, I 
could fix it...) I'd also like greater customization of the output: a 
"header" parameter in addition to a label. ("Label" is inserted two places, 
including as the <TITLE>.  I want to be able to add the <BODY> tags
and header graphics separately.)

> We (Mailbase) update each list archive every night, but we'd like to move
> to doing this dynamically if possible.

We actually keep the archives a little behind the mail distribution so there
is an incentive to subscribe to the actual list.  That works out well, and 
is less pressure on me. 

> Has anyone any similar requirements?

If you do find anything better, let me know.  If you know anything about what
happened to EIT, let me know.  From their Web site:

Webmaster's Starter Kit - R.I.P.

     When the computer that housed the Webmaster's Starter Kit was decommissioned (it was getting rather old), the service stopped. Jay Weber, the author of the Starter's Kit, no longer has the time to move it to another server or update it to serve the needs of today's Web community (many of the tools and software that were offered via the service are now obsolete). 

     However, because the WSK and related tools are referenced in many books and magazines to this day, you can still get the software via this FTP site: 

          ftp://ftp.eit.com/pub/eit/wsk/ 

(end quote)

Does anyone know what the future of Hypermail is?  We have the source: 
would it be possible to publicly maintain it, a la majordomo?  I believe
we have the right to do so:

4. Licensee may distribute the Software or any derivative work based
on the the Software to third parties provided (1) all copyright
notices and this Agreement appear on all copies, and (2) no charge is
associated with such copies.  Unless Licensee labels the derivative
work with the notice "No Grantback", Licensee agrees to grant EIT a
royalty-free nonexclusive license to use, copy, modify and distribute
any modifications to the Software owned by Licensee and distributed to
third parties as a derivative work under this Agreement.

(From the file (LICENSE) in the EIT Hypermail distribution.)

I'm suggesting this because Hypermail is ALMOST exactly what I need for our 
lists.

Bonnie Scott
Prodigy, Inc.



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