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Subject: Re: Pro-Spammers mailing list
From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" <jmb @ FRB . GOV>
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 08:36:48 -0500
To: Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui @ plaidworks . com>
Cc: "Jonathan M. Bresler" <jmb @ FRB . GOV>, Dave/WebMaster <ddave @ ddave . com>, List-Managers @ GreatCircle . COM
In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 15 Nov 1997 15:02:51 PST." <v03110706b093da5a1b97@[207.167.80.70]>


>At 5:31 AM -0800 11/13/97, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote:
>
>> 	join using an alias for /dev/null.
>> 	send them all the spam you receive.
>> 	if they remove you, resubscribe under another alias for /dev/null.
>
>All this does is encourage them to look for the lists that people are
>using to generate the attacks on their lists (like list-managers), and
>give them leave to come and attack THOSE lists. After all, you're
>starting it. And they have better attack tools than we do.
>
>Doesn't this simply sound like encouraging folks to drop to their
>level? Does to me.

	with all due respect, i dont think you understand.

	the model is the famous "clueless mailing list".  clueless users
that insist upon sending "unsubscribe me" messages to the mailing list
itself and not the admin address, were added to the "clueless mailing list".
the only subscribers were people that sent "unsubscribe me" messages to
the list and not the admin address.  all the list traffic was people yelling
at each other "unsubscribe me". a weekly posting told them how to unsubcribe.
sooner or later they learned.

	i offer the same model in dealing with a spammers mailing list.
send the spammers all your spam.  use the sendmail rules from
FreeBSD-2.2.5 /etc/mail to block spam from your site.  

	we are not dropping to their level, we are redirecting the trash
they send us back to them.

jmb 

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