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Subject: Re: Can you help with AOL troublemakers?
From: "Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg @ monkeys . com>
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:19:22 -0800
To: Mitch Collinsworth <mkc @ Graphics . Cornell . EDU>
Cc: Theodore M Smith <tedsmith @ dimensional . com>, List-Managers @ GreatCircle . COM
In-reply-to: Your message of Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:44:43 -0500. <199711201644.AA280104283@broccoli.graphics.cornell.edu>
Reply-to: rfg @ monkeys . com


In message <199711201644.AA280104283@broccoli.graphics.cornell.edu>, 
Mitch Collinsworth <mkc@Graphics.Cornell.EDU> wrote:

>>In whom does ``security'' (you are still being entirely vague about what you
>>really mean here) engender ``fear'', other than bad people?
>
>
>Ron, I was with you up to here.  But it seems to me that there are
>an awful lot of _good_ people on the net campaigning against _bad_
>security.  (I.e. government regulations requiring key escrow, attempts
>to outlaw public-key, etc.)  You were making a perfectly fine argument
>before you started down this road.  Your statement above sounds
>strikingly similar to the old "If you weren't doing anything wrong then
>you shouldn't have anything to hide" argument.

In general, I _do_ feel that way... at least when it comes to ``private''
security.

If I happen to pass by an industrial building, and I see that it is
surrounded with barbed-wire and huge floodlights and cameras, and yes,
even dogs, do I get bent outta shape?  No way.  That's private property
and the owners have a right to maintain tight security control over it
if they like.

I consider mailing lists the same way.  They are private property.  Each
one has an owner who has some (and perhaps a lot) of responsibility for
how the list is run.  The owner has the right to have whatever ``security''
and as much security as he/she likes.

>Might want to reconsider.

Not really.  We are just having a difference of terminology here.  What
I call `security'' is stuff like having passwords on your server accounts.
I do not call government attempts to enforce key escrow and/or weak en-
cription ``security''.  I have another name for that stuff... ``stupidity''.

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