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Subject: Re: Topica-Dot-Com Open For Business
From: SRE <eckert @ climber . org>
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 21:52:08 -0800
To: Rich Kulawiec <rsk @ gsp . org>
Cc: List-Managers @ GreatCircle . COM
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At 08:39 AM 3/1/99 -0500, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
>Absolutely correct.  This is well down the slippery slope to the completely
>unethical and indefensible tactics that spammers use.

I got one today... from topica. Is this a coincidence? Probably?
Full text is below. It appears to be bulk mail, not using my name
(which is available if you read the list charter). It was sent to
a generic address and not my personal address. It states that it
was sent unsolicited. It tells me I'm already included but I have
the option of opting out.

At least now we're talking about a specific example.

>On Tue, Mar 02, 1999 at 11:46:36AM -1000, Victor A. Wagner, Jr. wrote:
>> Am I to understand that even though you don't intend to "make a profit' on
>> this, that you have some objection to someone else making a profit?
At 05:21 PM 3/2/99 -0500, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
>Yes, I do.
>Because the mailing lists are partially my work (the labor of setting
>them up, maintaining them, etc.) and partially the work of the subscribers
>(all of the contributed material except for the articles that I write).

Exactly. Well said. Every work currently produced in the US is
copyrighted even if it is not marked that way... and it's just
not right to make a profit off work that was not intended for
sale by the person now making a profit. It doesn't matter if
the creator of the work intended to profit.


From: Topica Support <natasha@GET.TOPICA.COM>
Subject: Web based access for your subscribers
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 1999 11:42:59 -0800

Dear owner of,

One of our users has subscribed to your list from the Topica Directory
of Email Lists.  We would like to offer this subscriber, as well as
future subscribers to your list, the ability to read your lists's
messages through our web site.

If you would like to allow your subscribers (and only your subscribers
if you wish) to read your list through our web site, please visit the
following URL:

We've been working hard to develop a valuable services for the email
list community.  At the above URL, you will also be able to verify your
list information and, if you'd like, provide additional information
about it.  We would greatly appreciate it if you could take a few
minutes to do so.

If you prefer that we did not include your list in our directory, you
can instruct us to do so at the above URL as well.  We apologize for
sending you this unsolicited message.  If you have any questions or
comments, please contact us at

Thank you!

Topica Customer Support

To learn more about Topica Inc. please go to

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