On Sat, Apr 17, 1999 at 09:16:27PM -0400, Vince Sabio wrote:
> Since Topica's list directory was compiled with full cooperation from the
> nice folks at Liszt, PAML, and Tile.net, I don't think that any lawyers
> will be particularly interested.
That depends on how the entries got into *those* lists, doesn't it?
> seem to receive most or all of the mail on this list grossly out of
> order.) Anyway, I can assure you that the discussion here on
> list-managers is being taken very seriously by Topica, and has spawned a
> good deal of internal discussion over there -- which I see as A Good Thing.
Nice double-speak. Will Topica continue spamming or not?
Please answer "yes" or "no" only.
> see Tina's message, and join the discussion group that she has set
> up for this; it is an opportunity to provide your POV directly into
> Topica management on this subject, and hopefully work out a course of
> action that will make everyone happy.
Oh, I see: "We didn't figure this all out ahead of time. We are clueless
newbies and we want you, the experienced listowners, to tell us how
we can make money off your work because we're too lazy/stupid/cheap to
do our own research. Of course, we still may not take your advice and
we're not going to pay you for this." Uh-uh. I don't think so.
It's *your* bright idea, *you* go figure out how to make it work
without pissing people off and/or ending up in court.
> But also don't complain if you didn't bother participating in
> the discussion group that Tina has set up.)
Ah, I see. "We're really serious about not doing our own research.
In fact, we're going to duck the worst of the heat that we richly
deserve by setting up our *own* list where we can censor the content
to our hearts' content, and then when someone points out the next
clueless thing that we do, we'll whine that it never came up on
> They are listening -- and a window of opportunity has opened wherein we
> can provide feedback directly to Topica, and try to work out a solution
> that is acceptable to [there goes that word again] everyone.
You have FAILED to answer the question -- again. Will Topica continue
spamming or not? Because if you think for one minute that you
will be allowed to survive as a business while spamming, you're wrong.
I don't particularly have anything for or against the general notion
of one-stop shopping for mailing lists. But what y'all have done to
date is rude, intrusive, offensive, illegal (in states where spam
is now illegal) and clueless. If you're serious about doing this right,
then you need to get your act together and figure out how (if) your
business model can be made to work without the sort of nonsense that
you've trotted out so far. Heck, I went from not knowing y'all existed
to active dislike in 24 hours and that's not because I had nothing
better to do.