At 09:16 PM 4/17/99 -0400, Vince Sabio wrote:
>>will not wash for Topica and Liszt to respond to "you are spamming, it is
>>wrong, stop it!" messages by saying "What's so bad about a directory of
>But that is not what they were saying, unless we were reading very different
>messages. But previous statements (and my own personal views on all of this)
>aside, Topica really *is* hearing you. Yes, you can say that it has taken a
>while to be heard, but it is happening, and if you want to help harbor the
>anti-UBE position, then you should join the discussion and present it.
Remember that we have had two go rounds on this my now. My recollection of
the statements by people associated with Topica were (1) pretty much the
feint-and-shift change of subject that Tom was describing, and (2) denials
from authority that what Topica was doing was spam ("I'm a founding member
of CAUCE and I know what spam is and what Topica was doing is not spam" is
an abridgement of one posting), and wallowing between those two positions
in a very obfuscating way.
When this iteration started, someone form Topica asked me why I took
positions against theirs, and I tried to explain, off line. I was still
irritated over the delay, and I was irritated over the obfuscatory tone of
the first interaction.
I'm glad that this one has gotten down to more focus than the last one, and
I'm glad that progress is being made, and that people at Topica are
thinking about this seriously.
Maybe we should submit this as a "true tail of spam" to CAUCE, once it is
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