In message <email@example.com>,
Chuq Von Rospach <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
>But it's not. Mostly, it's Ronald, a self-admitted non-list-manager,
>trolling the list to tell us why were all idiots and doing it wrong...
Ah... excuse me Chuq, but if you can make an effort to try to see past
your personal animosity ... at least for a moment or two... you might
want to look back at how this thread got started.
This thread started when someone mentioned a subject that has come
up more than once already, i.e. AOL throwing out mail from legitimate
opt-in mailing lists.
This is obviously a reasonable topic for discussion among mailing
administrators (who have a legitimate concern about this) and thus,
a reasonable topic for discussion here on List-Managers.
I pointed out that spam filters (e.g. those at AOL) might possibly
be constructed in a more reliable fashion (thus largely eliminating
something that is obviously a problem for many list admins), *if*
widespread cooperation among list administrators themselves could
If anyone other that you thinks that my postings in this thread so
far have been:
a) off-topic for List-Managers, or
b) a troll, or
c) equivalent to ``telling everyone that they are idiots''
then I will happily withdraw my earlier comments and add no more to this
>So why am I here? Answer: I dunno.
Quite frankly, that makes two of us. I've noticed that you do seem to
relish putting people down however.
>Is that what people want this list to be? Because fine, I'll leave
>and let you enjoy yourselves. Me, I'm seriously considering starting
>up a mailing-list-futures list, just to create a forum where people
>can talk about where to go next, because frankly, we can't do it
>here, not with the way this list deals with issues. I've tried a
>couple of times, and it always gets buried in the noise from the
>troll, and all I ever seem to hear is why whatever it is is a bad
>idea -- not how to improve it, fix it, or make it better.
You are of course free to start your own list anytime you want, however
doing so will not improve your ability to discern when people are
discussing the future of legitimate opt-in mailing lists, as we
already have been doing in this thread.