Twice the last month the same individual, genesis triumph
<genesis@inet.com.pk>, has added me to his Onelist.com mailing
lists, without my consent and knowledge, apparently getting my
address from some semi-public list of Onelist.com list owners.
(I don't use Onelist.com as a base for my mailing lists; I'm just
testing it out with a couple of small lists that I presently have
there.) Now, it's bad enough that this individual continues to do
this (though I'll soon find out what his ISP thinks about this).
But, much worse, Onelist.com doesn't seem to care at all. I've
written several complaints (they are appended below), and I get
absolutely no response at all, even though this is a blatant
violation not only of common Internet standards and policies
against spamming, but of their own stated policies. I can only
conclude that Onelist.com doesn't care, or perhaps they even
support this spamming.
Which leads to some questions:
If Onelist.com acts against its own stated policies, doesn't that
mean that they cannot be trusted at all?
If Onelist.com supports spamming, or doesn't do anything to
protect its users from spamming, then shouldn't it be added to
lists over spam sites?
Shouldn't Onelist.com be blacklisted?
Have other people here tried Onelist.com, and experienced the
same?
Thomas Gramstad
thomasg@ifi.uio.no
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1) 25-Oct Thomas Grams Re: What is this? (4052 chars)
2) 3-Nov Thomas Grams Spam complaint (3404 chars)
3) 3-Nov Thomas Grams [genesis triumph <genesis@inet.c (4864 chars)
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To: genesis triumph <genesis@inet.com.pk>
Subject: Re: What is this?
In-Reply-To: genesis triumph <genesis@inet.com.pk>'s message of Sat, 23 Oct
1999 03:06:13 +0500
References: <MM.940426512.23455.solva@ifi.uio.no>
<380E2554.A2791BB4@inet.com.pk> <MM.940519012.22278.solva@ifi.uio.no>
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To admin@onelist.com: I'm hereby complaining about being placed on
a list called frostfree@onelist.com without my consent or
knowledge. Please see below for details.
Thomas Gramstad
thomasg@ifi.uio.no
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genesis triumph <genesis@inet.com.pk> wrote:
> First off, this was not a spam attempt at all. I
> recieved your email address from the web form, which as you
> might know, can be accessed by anyone and anyone can place your
> address in the box and hit subscribe.
I'm not following you. What web form? Are you saying that the
e-mail addresses of all list moderators at onelist.com -- or even
all subscribers -- are publically available? And that you placed
all addresses thus available on your list without asking them?
> This can be my fault, but onelist's system doesnot offer email
> confirmation
Yes, it does, and not only that, but it warns you strongly not to
subscribe people without their consent, warning you that doing so
will lead to Onelist closing down your community and kicking you
off their system. I find it very hard to beileve that a sincere
list moderator cannot be aware of this. In fact, I suspect that
you deliberately violated Onelist.com's policy.
Therefore I cc admin@onelist.com on this message. If I
misunderstood you, surely they can clear it up; and if I'm right
about my suspicions, they can take the appropriate action.
Thomas Gramstad
thomasg@ifi.uio.no
> and I am working on this with onelist admins to add confirmation
> because you are not the only one who have this kind of
> complaint. We recieved around 5 complaints concerning automation
> of subscription without there concern. I appologize for the mess
> that has caused you and wish you can understand that. My web
> form was made unacceptable on my request after recieving a few
> complaints from users. Please ask any further questions that
> might help you get out of this trouble.
>
> Unsubscribe: peracha-unsubscribe@onelist.com
>
> Thank you
> Genesis
> Team Peracha
>
> Thomas Gramstad wrote:
>
> > This answer is not good enough. I'm considering complaining to
> > the admin at Onelist.com about being placed on a mailing list by
> > strangers without having been asked. This is an abominable
> > practice -- I manage 20-30 lists myself and I will do what I can
> > and what I deem necessary to put an end to that practice. Telling
> > me that I can unsubscribe myself is not an answer. I'll give you
> > one more chance to answer before I make the complaint: Where did
> > you get my address from? Why did you add me to the list?
> >
> > Thomas Gramstad
> > thomasg@ifi.uio.no
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > This is no spam attempt at all. This list is safe and
> > > you or some of your friends may have subscribed with that
> > > address. This list is only for fun chat. If you are not
> > > interested in joining, please send an empty email to
> > > frostfree-unsubscribe@onelist.com
> > >
> > > Thank you
> > > Genesis
> > >
> > > Thomas Gramstad wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > What is this list? Who is behind it? Why have I been placed on
> > > > it without being asked?
> > > >
> > > > Is this some spam attempt?
> > > >
> > > > Thomas Gramstad
> > > > thomas@gramstad.no
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To: admin@onelist.com
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Subject: Spam complaint
Message-ID: <MM.941630426.405.solva@ifi.uio.no>
This is the second time the last two weeks where I have been added
to a onelist mailing list without my consent, and without being asked.
What is Onelist going to do to correct this situation? If this continues,
I will withdraw my own mailing lists from onelist.com, and suggest in various
mailing list managers fora that onelist.com be boycotted and blacklisted
as spammers.
Regards,
Thomas Gramstad
thomasg@ifi.uio.no
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