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Subject: Re: Oversized emails?
From: "Mike Avery" <mavery @ mail . otherwhen . com>
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:33:55 -0600
To: list-managers @ GreatCircle . COM
Cc: cnorman @ best . com
In-reply-to: <200002081852.KAA25647@shell7.ba.best.com>
Reply-to: mavery @ mail . otherwhen . com

HTML BAD!!!

Big messages BAD!!

Sending that crap without asking permission first - VERY BAD!!!

All in all, it sounds like they are clueless, and that it's time to move 
on to another service.

Mike


On 8 Feb 2000, at 10:52, Cyndi Norman wrote:

> I'm in need of a reality check and figured you guys would be the
> perfect people for it.
> 
> I belong to a barter network.  I also used to do some internet/web
> consulting for them but they don't listen to me (took me and another
> web person working with them about a dozen emails to convince them not
> to use a third "internet person" who was about to spam the universe
> with their ads, but that's another story).
> 
> They've recently been bought out by a national company and the
> obnoxiousness factor has gone up several notches.  Yesterday I
> recieved their usual weekly newsletter (in HTML since they laugh at me
> when I tell them text is the better default).  It included an 800k
> attachment, a picture of leather furniture one of their members sells.
>  Of course it translated to over 11 thousand lines of junk on my
> system.  And the rest of the message was mostly unreadble (as always)
> cause of really bad HTML.
> 
> I complained.  I was not very nice about it.  I was pissed.
> 
> Their reaction was to PHONE me twice at like 7:30 in the morning (my
> machine got it) and say that they'd be happy to cancel my membership
> and they can't believe a web design person would not be able to
> recieve attachments that were under a meg (said as if that were small)
> and I should upgrade my email.
> 
> Obviously, my email arrangements are not the issue.  I can view
> attachments if I want to by forwarding them to another account.  They
> tell me I'm the only one who complains and don't seem to get that by
> suggesting changes (which I have always done very nicely and politely
> in the past) I am giving them free help on how to improve things for
> all their customers.  Their view is that the attachment "sells lots of
> leather furniture" so it's okay.
> 
> So...
> 
> Given that they are running a mailing list (announcement only) for
> their customers, is my assessment of their choices off the mark?  Do
> note that they send this newsletter to all of their customers for whom
> they have an email address (and now their fees are lower if you give
> them an email address) and don't ask permission first, let alone about
> preferences for HTML or attachments.  They also fax a version out but
> I finally got removed from that list since they were calling at 2 in
> the morning when my fax-modem/computer was off.
> 
> Anyway, validation would be nice.
> 
> Thanks,
> Cyndi
> 
> -- 
> ______________________________________________________________________
> _________ "There's nothing wrong with me.  Maybe there's              
>       Cyndi Norman something wrong with the universe." (ST:TNG)       
>    cyndi@consultclarity.com
>                                    http://www.tikvah.com/
> _________________ Owner of the Immune Website & Lists
> http://www.immuneweb.org/


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