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Subject: Re: Confidentiality of member files - copyright
From: J C Lawrence <claw @ kanga . nu>
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 01:47:16 -0800
To: David Sharp <David . Sharp @ sharp-words . com>
Cc: list-managers @ GreatCircle . COM
In-reply-to: Message from David Sharp <David.Sharp@sharp-words.com> of "Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:16:29 +0100." <p04310100b6c2558b8621@[212.198.107.19]>
References: <p04310100b6c2558b8621@[212.198.107.19]>

On Wed, 28 Feb 2001 08:16:29 +0100 
David Sharp <David.Sharp@sharp-words.com> wrote:

> However in the nature of things, I assume it's probably very
> difficult for anyone to ever prove that someone has stolen or sold
> a membership list.

This is actually rather easy to "prove" should one care to make the
effort early enough.  Many people I know use Postfix/QMail-style
plus addressing for all their list subscriptions.  Thus, for
instance, they'll be subscribed to this list as:

  claw+list-managers@mydomain.dom

and to the svlug list as:

  claw+svlug@mydomain.dom

and to the foobar list as:

  claw+foobar@mydomain.dom

Thusly they have unique addresses for every list they subscribe to.
The MTA handles it all transparently, requiring no per-list
configuration, and you can do nice things at the LDA level for
filtering.

Of course this also means that they can track what addresses get
spam, and thereby, to a high degree of certainty, by what vectors a
given spammer obtained their address.  Subscribe a sleeper address
to the same list (ie set to NOMAIL or one which never posts), and
you can use that address as the alarm to detect subscriber list
transfers,

> Most people already receive so much spam that it's probably
> difficult to point to some new message or messages and say "Ah -
> I'm getting that because I signed up to such-and-such a mailing
> list!"

With the above, which is fairly trivial to set up, and is something
that several ISPs are offering as an added service, its quite easy.

> And even if they did detect such a change, I imagine it would be
> very difficult to prove in a court of law what the precise cause
> was.

<shrug>

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw@kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
--=| A man is as sane as he is dangerous to his environment |=--



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