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Subject: Re: test message,or reply's to, which worse?
From: J C Lawrence <claw @ kanga . nu>
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 10:33:42 -0700
To: "David W. Tamkin" <dattier @ ripco . com>
Cc: list-managers @ GreatCircle . COM
In-reply-to: Message from "David W. Tamkin" <dattier@ripco.com> of "Mon, 28 May 2001 10:16:37 CDT." <200105281516.f4SFGca15830@ripco.com>
References: <200105281516.f4SFGca15830@ripco.com>

On Mon, 28 May 2001 10:16:37 -0500 (CDT) 
David W Tamkin <dattier@ripco.com> wrote:

> Not my experience.  Nearly all lists on Yahoogroups and Topica are
> set RTL because greenhorn listowners think "it encourages
> discussion" or "it makes it easier" and others who learn the
> drawbacks give in to members who are used to the tyros' lists and
> object to having to learn a different habit for a different list.
> I'd have to say that the RTS/RTL ratio has plummeted.

I recently surveyed one of my lists which has been RTL for several
years abouit moving to RTL.  It was universally (more than half the
membership) denounced.  The main complaints were:

  1) Threads would wander off list and be lost from the list
  archives.  

  2) Private off-list discussions would be encouraged,
  disenfranchising lurkers or non-thread participants.

  3) Threads would tend to fract more quickly

#1 in particular was seen as a huge problem with many lurkers and
members who read/participate in the lists via the archives coming
forward (my web archives support posting replies to archived
messages via a web browser).  The current compleatness of the list
archives, that they are in fact a canonnically compleat was
repeatedly referenced as being a Good Thing.

The general comment on #2 was that enough of that happened already,
and if anything, we need less of it (the membership has a tendency
to be individually parochial outside their specialised
camp/employer/hobby horse).

Aside: I originally set RTL back in '96 to increase internal
feedback on the list by creating a positive feedback loop WRT
messages, and thus more rapidly growing traffic and thus shared
experience and community.

-- 
J C Lawrence                                       claw@kanga.nu
---------(*)                          http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/
The pressure to survive and rhetoric may make strange bedfellows



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