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Subject: Re: removeyou.com
From: David Shaw <dshaw @ jabberwocky . com>
Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:47:35 -0400
To: list-managers @ GreatCircle . COM
In-reply-to: <20011011095832.A21885@clifford.inch.com>; from omar@clifford.inch.com on Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 09:58:32AM -0400
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On Thu, Oct 11, 2001 at 09:58:32AM -0400, Omar Thameen wrote:

> On Mon, Oct 08, 2001 at 04:02:05PM -0400, murr rhame wrote:
> > On Mon, 8 Oct 2001, David Shaw wrote:
> > 
> > > They are extremely useful, though not in the way intended by
> > > their owners, since as you say, any email that mentions them
> > > can safely be chucked..
> > 
> > I have yet to hear of any removal site that passes the simple
> > test of setting up a new email account and submitting it to an
> > op-out list.  That account will start receiving spam within
> > hours.  For most spammers, there is no incentive to honor an an
> > op-out list.  They could care less if they piss off a thousand
> > people as long as one person in a thousand buys the product.

> Is this something that we list owners/providers can set up in an
> open fashion and run legitimately, perhaps not-for-profit?
> 
> Obviously, there would be a number of issues to tackle like who
> would maintain it and how to ensure that unscrupulous people don't
> get a hold of the address list (or pollute it with valid addresses).

I doubt it.  Like Mr. Rhame said above - there is just no incentive
(actually negative incentive) for most spammers to "clean" their
address list via such a global opt-out list.  Why should they?
Cleaning their lists means they hit fewer people.

David

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