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Subject: Re: Please prune this list!
From: J C Lawrence <claw @ kanga . nu>
Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 23:24:26 -0700
To: "Roger B.A. Klorese" <rogerk @ queernet . org>
Cc: Thomas Gramstad <thomas @ ifi . uio . no>,list-managers <list-managers @ greatcircle . com>
In-reply-to: Message from "Roger B.A. Klorese" <rogerk@queernet.org> of "Thu, 04 Jul 2002 23:04:37 PDT." <3D2536F5.4040505@queernet.org>
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On Thu, 04 Jul 2002 23:04:37 -0700 
Roger B A Klorese <Roger> wrote:
> J C Lawrence wrote:

>> Does the current product no longer attribute to "you"?

> It does attribute to "you."

Damn.  They had that fixed for a while for group replies.  That's
probably the single most common reason for my rejecting messages from
Eudora as a moderator.

>> I disallow it on my lists and have my SPAM filters set to score it as
>> noise.  So far as a filter that's worked quite well, especially on
>> the level of distinguishing "messages I want to read" vs "generic
>> list noise".

> Funny, nearly all of our business mail looks that way, and people get
> nagged at if they bottom-post on work mail for making people read
> context before the additions.

<shrug>

>> I tend to have a different view of top posting and its effect on
>> conversation, especially for lists.  I find that top posting
>> discourages thread detail and depth by effectively forbidding the
>> debate or analysis of finely defined points, that it encourages
>> pomposity and bombast rather than discourse, that it encourages
>> retort instead of considered reply, and that it discourages useful
>> thread splits and forks while encouraging thread dissolution.

> I find that most people are not interested in participating in that
> sort of discussion anyway...

<nod>

Oddly enough, and for the same reasons, I'm equally uninterested in
their posts, both as a list member and moderator.  Funny that.

> ... on anything other than a tightly-focused topic list (of which
> there are fewer and fewer) of technical substance (whether
> computer-related or for serious students of some other
> discipline). 

Sadly true.  I tend to be a fan of what I call "working lists" -- lists
which actually attempt to do and accomplish something -- which heavily
selects for such traits.

> That accounts for, oh, about 10% of the lists I'm on and about 1% of
> the lists we host.

Of the ~600 lists I'm on it probably accounts for over 90%, but then I
tend to rapidly unsubscribe from the less focussed lists.  I find them
too annoying to stay with.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw@kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.



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