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Subject: Re: identifying list mail by any appearance in the headers
From: JC Dill <inet-list @ vo . cnchost . com>
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 11:39:14 -0700
To: list-managers @ greatcircle . com (list-managers)
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On 09:48 AM 7/6/02, David W. Tamkin wrote:
 >| I sort all my mailing list emails into mailing list specific folders based
 >| on "any header contains the list name".
 >
 >So let me see ...
 >
 >If you post to a list that we are both on and I have a private reply to send
 >to you ...
 >
 >and either (a) I follow the common practice of adding "[off-list from
 ><listname>]" to the subject ...

Common?  I've *never* had email identified in that manner.

 >or (b) the list tags its subjects, and I don't delete the tags from my
 >copies, so the subject of my private message to you is "Re: [listname]
 >whatever";

Actually, my filter doesn't filter on the subject when it filters on "any 
header".

 >then you'll sort it into your folder for the list and assume it was a public
 >post or a copy thereof ...

No, I'll assume it's related to the list.  When I want to read email 
related to the list, I'll read that folder.

 >and not realizing it's a private message you might choose to post a public
 >reply on the list ...

When I read the email, I can see the headers of who it is (and isn't) sent 
to.  When I reply, I select "reply".  If the sender has put the list 
address as the reply-to, the reply message is going to be addressed back to 
the sender, if not the reply message is going to be sent to the author.

 >and since you are against using reply-to-all because it builds up a chain of
 >unnecessary private copies in addition to the posted one, you'll use your
 >regular reply command ...
 >
 >and when the return address comes up pointing to me instead of the list
 >you'll mutter something about reply-to-sender lists that don't clobber
 >Reply-To: and change it to point to the list ...

Nope.  I NEVER just "change it to point to the list".  When dealing with a 
list that leaves reply-to set to the author, (such as this list) and 
desiring to reply to the whole list (and not just the author, as in this 
particular case), I select "reply to all" to get the list address in the 
reply message, and then delete all extraneous addresses (often including 
duplicates) as needed.  A bothersome extra step, but I feel that netiquette 
is important.

 >and you'll quote my privately mailed text to -- and share your comments on it
 >with -- the whole list membership.

Nice try.  I've never done that, not once in 8 years of email and thousands 
and thousands of messages.

 >That sounds like a very risky practice.  Personally, I don't do "(a)" -- (I
 >put "[off-list from listname]" at the top of the body) but I've seen a lot of
 >people do it.  Also, I hate subject tags and strip them out on the way to my
 >folders, so I'm not at risk of "(b)" either, but many people are.  Even so,
 >sometimes the name of the list really has a purpose in appearing in the
 >subject of a private message.  "Subject: Are you as sick of listname as I
 >am?" for example.
 >
 >At least exclude the subject line when you search the headers for appearances
 >of the list's name.

I do.

jc

p.s.  What does "beed" mean (in your modified subject line)?




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