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Subject: Re: Please prune this list!
From: Nick Simicich <njs @ scifi . squawk . com>
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 18:05:09 -0400
To: list-managers <list-managers @ greatcircle . com>
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At 12:15 AM 2002-07-07 -0700, Roger B.A. Klorese wrote:
>Nick Simicich wrote:
>>I assert that you have given up no functionality that is actually 
>>meaningful in the context of communicating using e-mail.  Please note 
>>that I consider the ability to set your fonts, sizes, etc, detrimental to 
>>this process --- I have a font that is easy for me to read and colors 
>>that are easy for me to read.  Any changes to this slow me down and 
>>distract from the message.
>
>I consider tightly integrated email and calendaring to be something not 
>doable in a standards-based environment and not to be given up.

And whose "non-standard's based calendar wins?"  Alternatively, "When do 
you want to meet?" in a plain text message works everywhere.

If you are scheduling meeting rooms, then you can assume assent if no one 
else is meeting.

If you are scheduling people, you need buy-in....unless they work for you 
and you can order them to go.  So automated scheduling simply does not work 
across organizations.

>I consider all of the things you consider detrimental to sometimes be 
>beneficial -- such as when delivering a presentation via email.

I can never see a situation where it would be appropriate to deliver a 
presentation by e-mail that a URL to a web site would not be 
superior.  Especially not in the mailing list context.

>>Awww.....my heart bleeds for you.  I put forth the assertion that the 
>>"functionality" you give up is mostly meaningless complexity and has 
>>nothing to do with the sort of communication that the real world systems 
>>we administer (e-mail lists) are designed for.
>
>I totally disagree.  Again: if a list also meets off-list or by chat, 
>integrated scheduling would be a boon.  For that matter, delivering a 
>usable Java or ActiveX chat thin-client in a message body would be as well.

Suicidal.  Microsoft has even turned off active X and Java by e-mail by 
default. Again, I can see absolutely zero advantage to delivering such 
tripe in e-mail --- sending a URL would be superior in all cases I can 
imagine.


--
"Forgive him, for he believes that the customs of his tribe are the laws of 
nature!"
  -- George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
Nick Simicich - njs@scifi.squawk.com




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