At 09:45 AM 2002-07-13 -0700, Chuq Von Rospach wrote:
>On 7/12/02 10:15 PM, "Nick Simicich" <njs@scifi.squawk.com> wrote:
>
> > or at least I have not
> > heard of anyone who has written a character recognition thing to automate
> > the form fillout for the voting.
>
>But I have, actually.
So that was how Lowell lost? :-)
> > If someone wants to vote manually a couple hundred times I do not care,
>
>But I do.
Do you think that will skew the numbers that much? The point is that, as
you point out, there will be no way to stop people, unless you require them
to type in their e-mail address and then mail them an entry ticket for the
survey. If you do that, I doubt you will get many participants.
> > I would think that if you simply recorded ip
> > addresses (or even an MD5 of each octet) that would settle automated voting
> > down.
>
>And screw over most users from AOL, and any other place that has a
>significant number of addresses sharing a small IP range through timesharing
>or firewalls and proxies. It doesn't work in the general case.
My point was not to automatically throw those things out. It was to allow
someone who was a third party to judge the reliability of the data, and to
do some selection based on addresses and commonality of addresses while
preserving the actual value of the addresses. Note I said "recorded", not
"rejected". In fact, it might be reasonable to record the first two octets
of the IP address while hashing the last two.
> > I hope you will publish the actual
> > raw data and not just the summaries, so long as there is no reversible
> > stuff that can be traced to any individuals.
>
>I want to. Effectively, I want this to be an open source survey, including
>tools and data, so people can do their own analysis as well.
Good.
--
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nature!"
-- George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
Nick Simicich - njs@scifi.squawk.com
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