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Subject: Re: m.gmane.org
From: Nick Simicich <njs @ scifi . squawk . com>
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 14:08:46 -0400
To: list-managers <list-managers @ greatcircle . com>
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At 11:56 AM 2002-08-01 -0400, Charlie Summers wrote:
>    And of course, there are different ways for other mailing list servers.
>But I'm curious to know if you perchance have copies of the original
>subscription requests - if they are envelope-from gmane.org, there doesn't
>seem to be any reason not to just REJECT their mail on the sendmail level
>(other than the postmaster argument, which I'd maintain doesn't apply here
>since I don't want to talk to these clowns AT ALL and it's my server/my
>choice, can anyone think of a legitimate reason to accept mail from them?).

Um, yes, I do.

The subscribe came this way:

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With this From: line:

To: majordomo@scifi.squawk.com
From: gchgc-calibers-l@m.gmane.org (Gmane Administrator)

But I reserve those sendmail rejections for spammers. Yes, setting up an 
external archive without permission is net abuse, but it is not at the same 
level as spam, at least in my opinion. And, were I not able to get them off 
my lists by using a simple Mj2 rule, or, if for some reason, I had a policy 
that did not effectively forbid external archives and if I wanted to blow 
off the submissions from their server (because of the extra work they will 
entail), I'd definitely consider leaving them subscribed and blocking their 
server when it sent to my submission addresses (with postfix, I typically 
block spammers at the -request addresses, but not at the submission 
addresses, since those are dealt with without my intervention, so this 
would reverse that, and I do not block spammers at -owner\+.* addresses so 
that the bounces get through and I can get people on dead addresses unsubbed).

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