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Subject: Re: m.gmane.org
From: Russ Allbery <rra @ stanford . edu>
Organization: The Eyrie
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2002 21:15:38 -0700
To: list-managers @ greatcircle . com
In-reply-to: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0208020401070.9961-100000@stjorn.ifi.uio.no> (ThomasGramstad's message of "Fri, 2 Aug 2002 04:06:35 +0200 (MEST)")
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Thomas Gramstad <thomas@ifi.uio.no> writes:
> On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Russ Allbery wrote:

>> Have you talked to the gmane folks?  This is a pet project of Lars
>> Ingebrigtsen, the author of Gnus and one of the coolest people that I
>> know on-line anywhere.  I'm quite sure he's not trying to make life
>> hard for anyone and would be happy to change policies to fix whatever
>> problems you encounter.  I'm guessing it was just an oversight, or like
>> Chuq said, that they weren't able to find where it was published that
>> your lists shouldn't be externally archived.

> No -- their official policy is that if a list is open for subscription
> (anyone can sign up, without having to be approved by the list-owner),
> then they feel that it is a public list and they can include it at
> gmane.org without asking.  In other words, they confuse subscription
> mode with availability of archives, subscriber list etc.

Here's the page that actually states the policies:

    <http://gmane.org/about.php>

Basically, they won't archive any list that doesn't want to be archived,
but if the list is open for subscription, the list owner has to either
notice the subscription message or opt out.

Hm.  Yeah, I think Lars hasn't thought hard enough about this.  He's a
smart guy, though, and quite willing to work with people, so maybe someone
here who runs a list with public subscription but that they don't consider
public should try to explain their point of view.

(I consider all lists that I run with public subscription to be public
lists exactly as described on that page, so I'm not of any help there.)

-- 
Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu)             <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>



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