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Subject: Re: m.gmane.org
From: J C Lawrence <claw @ kanga . nu>
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2002 09:27:25 -0700
To: Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui @ plaidworks . com>
Cc: Bernie Cosell <bernie @ fantasyfarm . com>,List Managers Mailing list <list-managers @ greatcircle . com>
In-reply-to: Message from Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui@plaidworks.com> of "Fri, 02 Aug 2002 08:58:32 PDT." <B96FFA38.4B696%chuqui@plaidworks.com>
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On Fri, 02 Aug 2002 08:58:32 -0700 
Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui@plaidworks.com> wrote:

> Barry, JC and some others have been doing some noodling at integrating
> TMDA (an address obscuring and whitelisting tool) into Mailman. 

...

> That has it's own challenges, but at least it opens up lists into more
> of a "welcome, boys!" place again, instead of the increasingly
> paranoid, closed circles I think we're being forced into....

That's the huge attraction for me.  While I don't internally phrase it
as the Ghaza strip you referenced in your mailman-developers post, the
idea that by using TMDA on the inbound side of lists we can:

  -- largely return mailing lists to the open-no-subscription required
  model of the 1980's and before

and by putting a TMDA-like system on the outbound side can:

  -- largely return can largely validate and securely implement the
  "once it leaves my network its public domain" model that recurs so
  often.

Even without creating Russ-exceptions (and as a user I agree with his
requests for non-munging) they would seem a pretty significant change
from the current common practice of mailing lists.  Heck, just sticking
TMDA in front of a list (as I've just done for Mailman, details on how
to access my test setup available by off-list request) is quite a
forward leap (especially in the regard of separating posting rights from
subscription status).

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw@kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




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