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Subject: Re: m.gmane.org
From: J C Lawrence <claw @ kanga . nu>
Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2002 12:34:07 -0700
To: Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui @ plaidworks . com>
Cc: KHLsv <karhunhammas @ lserv . com>,Bernie Cosell <bernie @ fantasyfarm . com>,List Managers Mailing list <list-managers @ greatcircle . com>
In-reply-to: Message from Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui@plaidworks.com> of "Sun, 04 Aug 2002 11:44:16 PDT." <B972C410.4BA32%chuqui@plaidworks.com>
References: <B972C410.4BA32%chuqui@plaidworks.com>

On Sun, 04 Aug 2002 11:44:16 -0700 
Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui@plaidworks.com> wrote:

> I don't see it as vasectomy as much as plastic surgery -- change the
> look enough that the guys looking for you can't recognize you. I guess
> it's the mailing list witness protection program...

I'm interested in lists as a way for individuals to communicate.  I'm
not particularly interested in groups communicating, or machines, just
individuals.  As such I'm interested in building systems which extend
and specifically enhance the communications of individuals as unique
from other forms.  Given the current value of sold eyeballs and sold
human attention, that means making communication systems which are
resistant to mechanical parsing, to mechanical participation, and to
mechanical manipulation __WITHOUT__ losing the basics of individual
communication and participation.

Mailing lists which, for whatever reason, allow spammers to post to them
are not resistant to mechanical participation.  Lists which are easy to
harvest for email addresses for spammers are not resistant to mechanical
parsing.  Lists which do not have the equivalent of a Turing test at
their gates are not resistant to mechanical participation or mechanical
manipulation.

Individuals are recognised on lists by GECOS field, by email address, by
tone, by characteristic message formatting, by .signature, by all those
things which make a human or are immediately derived from a human.
Those, perforce have to be preserved by any individual-centric system.
The rest can be washed.  Building systems like TMDA-fronted lists with
TMDA-like address munged broadcasts preserves most of that with the
primary loss on the email address but loses on the email address side.
Sustain the GECOS mapping and ensure that the email address mapping is a
visible morph of the original makes the loss there less painful if not
ideal.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw@kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




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