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Subject: Re: Listing list-managers on gmane
From: Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui @ plaidworks . com>
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 10:23:50 -0700
To: Aditya <aditya @ grot . org>
Cc: List Managers Mailing list <list-managers @ greatcircle . com>
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On 8/13/02 10:18 AM, "Aditya" <aditya@grot.org> wrote:

> gmane gives people read-only access using a different transport -- do you, or
> do you wish to restrict read-access to web-based mailing list archives?

Actually, yes. Here's why.

Someone on my list decides to "go troll". I kick him off my list. He decides
to get stupid about it, so he starts reading the archives and sending
abusive responses privately. I blackhole his IP address from my archives.

So now he simply signs up for gmane and continues abusing my users via
private email by reading the archives on gmane. What's my option? Cutting
gmane off? I've lost control of being able to police my own list.

And lest you think this is a theoretical situation, I've been there. And you
can argue that if it's private e-mail that it's not my responsibility if you
want. You're welcome to believe that, I don't. If someone's being abused
because they're participating in a mail list I run, I have responsibility.
YMMV. I won't duck that responsibility.

> gmane is an evolving service, and as such has become much more sensitive
> (rather than openly trusting that public mailing lists are well, public)

Lest people think I'm "anti-gmane", I'm not. I think what they're doing is
fascinating, and I'm keeping an eye on it. It has some very interesting
uses, I think. I'm fascinated to see someone "reinvent" NNTP outside of
usenet (I've long said usenet is dead, but NNTP isn't -- gmane seems to be
proving me right). 

I just don't want it attached to my lists. And under some circumstances, I
might change my mind on that down the road.

> You always have the option of asking gmane not to "carry" your mailing list,

Well, unfortunately, the first I found out about this was when I had to ask
them to StOP carrying them, because they'd started without asking first,
but...

-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui@plaidworks.com -- http://www.chuqui.com/

IMHO: Jargon. Acronym for In My Humble Opinion. Used to flag as an opinion
something that is clearly from context an opinion to everyone except the
mentally dense. Opinions flagged by IMHO are actually rarely humble. IMHO.
    (source: third unabridged dictionary of chuqui-isms).




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