At 2:02 PM -0400 8/13/02, Aditya is rumored to have typed:
> I would like list-managers to be on gmane.
If all you want to do is read list-managers using a newsreader, why not
set up a private server on a spare linux box and use any of the various
mail-to-news kludges to pump the mail into it?
I honestly don't understand the arguments here; seems to me there are two
entirely seperate issues:
1) the gmane _concept_ is fine, but ain't nuthin' new; mail-to-news and
news-to-mail gateways ain't that hard to find (or kludge together, for that
matter), and:
2) there's nothing wrong with a centralized _server_ like gmane archiving
mailing lists that the list manager permits onto the NNTP server. It is only
a bad thing when the list manager is not asked or refuses permission, which
happened to some on this list with gmane. (If the list manager chooses to
allow the subscribership to vote, or makes the decision himself is up to the
specific list manager and list. The list manager still speaks for the list in
issues like this.) A perfect example of this is the YahooGroups nee eGroups
archives; if the list managers weren't aware that it existed, it is at the
very minimum improper and contrary to netiquette...probably illegal, too. I
hold a copyright on this missive at the moment of creation, and by sending to
GreatCircle I give them implicit license to distribute and archive it - I do
NOT give Yahoo! license to do ANYTHING with it, and so they are violating my
copyright if they are re-distributing and archiving it without the permission
of Great Circle. (But then, I've been pretty clear about my low opinion of
Yahoo!, so I'd gripe if they gave me a cupcake.)
No one I read ever suggested the gmane _concept_ was by itself a bad
thing. If a list manager prefers not to have his list on someone else's
_server,_ however, that server should not archive it and I don't understand
how anyone could argue _that_ wasn't proper, whether served by NNTP, HTTP, or
Gopher. And it's easy to set up an internal NNTP server and a mail-to-news
gateway internally, so you can read any list you want with a newsreader if
you're determined to do so with lists who choose not to participate with
gmane.
So someone enlighten me as to the current argument again?
Charlie
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