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Subject: Re: Listing list-managers on gmane
From: Russ Allbery <rra @ stanford . edu>
Organization: The Eyrie
Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 15:29:56 -0700
To: List Managers Mailing list <list-managers @ greatcircle . com>
In-reply-to: <20020813165637.GC86645@mighty.grot.org> (Aditya's message of"Tue, 13 Aug 2002 09:56:37 -0700")
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Aditya <aditya@grot.org> writes:

> Uh, I think this is a bit of an exaggeration -- gmane isn't tied to any
> sort of usenet feed and hasn't leaked into "regular ol" usenet.

This is, unfortunately, a matter of time, given how many people use suck
or similar software to pull down any newsgroup they're interested in
reading from its private servers and end up reinjecting it into the
regular flow of news.

newsfeed:~/log> grep ' gmane' unwanted.log 
2 gmane.comp.openoffice.announce.features
2 gmane.mail.ezmlm
1 gmane.test
1 gmane.network.openssh.announce

It's already starting.

> gmane isn't the only or the first entity to funnel mailing lists into an
> NNTP spool/server, it's just the most public.

There are *tons* of people doing this, many of whom are tossing the
results out to the world.  Hierarchies like mailing.*, mail.*,
muc.lists.*, fa.*, and the like abound.

In case anyone thinks that people are not already doing this with this
mailing list:

newsfeed:~/log> grep 'list-managers' unwanted.log
3 clinet.list.list-managers
1 info.list-managers
1 mentorg.list.list-managers

> There are several advantages to reading mailing lists via NNTP (note
> that I am saying nothing about usenet) even beyond sucky MUAs.

This is why people do it.  When lots of people are doing something, it's
generally for a reason.

To add to and support your reasons, one of those reasons is that news
reading software is massively better at reading large, threaded
discussions than all but the very best mailing list software.  Another
reason is that news searching is significantly better.  A third reason is
that lurking is much easier and much more convenient.  A fourth reason is
that being able to review the recent postings to a mailing list is a very
valuable thing to be able to do, and web archives for mailing lists are
essentially without exception completely unmitigated disasters.

-- 
Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu)             <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>



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