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Subject: Re: The gmane issue
From: "Tegels, Kent" <KTegels @ hdrinc . com>
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 16:09:15 -0500
To: "Barry A. Warsaw" <bwarsaw @ python . org>,"List Managers" <List-Managers @ greatcircle . com>
Disposition-notification-to: "Tegels, Kent" <KTegels@hdrinc.com>
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Thread-topic: The gmane issue

I agree with the bit about "X-No-Archive" for sure. I'd prefer something
less than YAHCXS (yet another horribly complex XML schema) yet something
more than just a simple text description. However, I do think that's
more appropriate for an RFC discussion than discussion here. So count me
in for the RFC, I guess.

I really like the idea of a "get policy" command too. Most of the lists
I work with require a list charter that talks about such things which is
available as a simple HTML file that would be good for that.

thanks!
kt


-----Original Message-----
From: Barry A. Warsaw [mailto:bwarsaw@python.org]
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 3:42 PM
To: List Managers
Subject: Re: The gmane issue 



>>>>> "CVR" == Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui@plaidworks.com> writes:

    >> D) Included as a header AND a machine-parseable line in the
    >> body of the confirmation AND welcome message.
    >> I pick #D.

    CVR> There's already a defacto standard of X-No-Archive for "do
    CVR> not archive this message".

    CVR> How about creating another header:

    CVR> X-No-Archive-List: (descriptive string).

    CVR> If that exists, then the string either explains the policy or
    CVR> points to a URL that explains the policy. If that exists, you
    CVR> don't archive that list without following the policy.

    CVR> Too simple?

I agree that a header is probably fine, but /please/ let's not make
the same mistake as with "X-No-Archive: yes" -- let's make a positive
assertion instead.  Something like "X-Archive-Policy: (descriptive
string)".

I'm not sure what to put in there for "descriptive string".  Some
wacky thoughts:

- A url pointing to an XML file for some hugely complicated syntax
  that covers every possible policy decision under the sun.  Start the
  standards process now. <wink>.

- Some simple strings like "No-Mirrors", "Ask-First", "Free-For-All"

Also, what about standardizing an email command that can be used to
ask the listserver for its policy?

-Barry



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