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From: Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui @ plaidworks . com>
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:50:52 -0700
To: Barry Warsaw <bwarsaw @ python . org>,Russ Allbery <rra @ stanford . edu>
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On 8/16/02 9:37 PM, "Barry A. Warsaw" <bwarsaw@python.org> wrote:

> Agreed, and who knows when that'll happen.  We've been talking about
> similar stuff in the Zope world, where roundtrips and html guis suck
> hard too.  The consensus is that client-side Java is dead and that
> things like Flash MX has some promise.  Me, I dunno.

I'd look at doing a java client, then. As opposed to applets or
browser-based java code.

For OS X 10.2, Sherlock's now an interface to build web applications.
Basically, a framework to plug in code modules to interact with internet
data sets. It's got some neat stuff. Unfortunately, the tech specs aren't up
yet, so I can't point to them. But it's an interesting model, that would
allow you to do this sort of thing without a b rowser imposing it's model in
the way.

> number of different protocols depending on the user's needs.  Such a
> system could serve the messages out via nntp, pop, imap, http, etc.,
> etc. using the client's native u/i's rather than crafty a web-based
> one that'll suck anyway. :)

In other words, my rantings that data and transfer protocols need to be
disconnected and data should be available the way people want to use it is
starting to happen. Finally. No more "this is e-mail. That is a usenet
posting". Instead, "this is data, how do you want to access it?"


-- 
Chuq Von Rospach, Architech
chuqui@plaidworks.com -- http://www.chuqui.com/

Someday, we'll look back on this, laugh
nervously and change the subject.




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