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Subject: Re: Better mailing list archives (Re: Listing
From: Russ Allbery <rra @ stanford . edu>
Organization: The Eyrie
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 13:53:34 -0700
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In-reply-to: <B9832E45.4DA93%chuqui@plaidworks.com> (Chuq Von Rospach'smessage of "Fri, 16 Aug 2002 22:33:41 -0700")
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Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui@plaidworks.com> writes:
> On 8/16/02 9:46 PM, "Nick Simicich" <njs@scifi.squawk.com> wrote:

>> Now, let's think about this.  It is impossible to do a good archive on
>> the web because of round trip time, but the fact that gmane is at the
>> other end of a Round Trip is not a problem?

>> I don' get it, Lucy.  Something is at work here other than round trip
>> time.

> I do. Think about how an iMap client works (or a usenet client) vs. a
> web page. As you navigate the web page, you're doing a lot of loading
> new pages and refreshing. With iMap and usenet, you download the key
> header information and then the client manipulates it.

> With web, you have a constant stream of relatively slow updates. With
> iMap and NNTP, you have a slower startup time to load the data, but
> faster browsing. And from a user perception view, that slower startup
> time can be a lot less intrusive than constant small delays.

Exactly.  Combine that with the fact that modern NNTP clients can do
message download in the background, so that by the time you're ready to
read the next message, it's already been downloaded.  It's much, much
harder for a web browser to do that because it has to know things about
the structure and order of the user's behavior that the NNTP client can
make much better guesses at.

-- 
Russ Allbery (rra@stanford.edu)             <http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>



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