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Subject: Re: idea: Google Lists
From: J C Lawrence <claw @ kanga . nu>
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 20:33:26 -0700
To: Rich Kulawiec <rsk @ magpage . com>
Cc: List Managers Mailing list <list-managers @ greatcircle . com>
In-reply-to: Message from Rich Kulawiec <rsk@magpage.com> of "Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:02:32 EDT." <20020818030232.GD13764@gsp.org>
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On Sat, 17 Aug 2002 23:02:32 -0400 
Rich Kulawiec <rsk@magpage.com> wrote:

> But the utility of having a single search interface and a
> competently-maintained archive of mailing lists, with the decision on
> inclusion delegated to the owners of mailing lists, would be large.

The second order costs of SPOF, let alone single points of control and
concentrated target effects are massive, and to my mind, far exceed any
possible gain from such a concentration.

> However, lack of a single site with a unified search interface
> ... need to be addressed.

Suffice to say that I strongly if not violently disagree.

Consider:

  VA Software, nee VA Linux, nee VA Research is entering deep financial
  trouble.  They are a medium order acquisition target (would be more so
  if their gross value were not dominated by community good will).  The
  costs of running SourceForge.Net are large (see their financial
  reports and do some between-the-line reading).

  If/when VA folds or pulls most/all the support for SF the cumulative
  effect on the hosted projects and mailing lists will not be small.

This is not to say that Google will fold, but it is to note that Google
is not immortal or immune to external forces.

> In the interim, all of my mailing lists include:

> 	X-No-Archive: yes

I should probably note that I configure my systems, and my archiving
setups in particular to ignore the X-No-Archive header.  I'm no fan of
rewriting history, popular tho others may find it.

-- 
J C Lawrence                
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. 
claw@kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?		  
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.




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