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From: Chris Hastie <lists @ oak-wood . co . uk>
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 09:36:45 +0100
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On Sat, 17 Aug 2002, Russ Allbery <rra@stanford.edu> wrote
>But I think you've completely missed my point, as stated in my previous
>message.  The ideal archives have the same interface as *the user's e-mail
>client* but with searching.  And by "the user's e-mail client," I mean
>exactly that.  If they use Eudora, it should look like Eudora.  If they
>use Outlook, it should look like Outlook.  If they use Pine, it should
>look like Pine.  Because that's the interface they already know how to use
>and are comfortable with.
>
>If you have *any* other interface, you're making the user learn something
>new, and you're going to disenfranchise at least some of the least
>computer-savvy in your audience.

Here I have to disagree. Most users know how to use the web. It's not 
new to them, it's the basics of their Internet experience. A significant 
proportion even use it to read their mail via Hotmail or similar webmail 
accounts.

Most users, IME, haven't got a clue how to configure their mail client. 
They buy a PC with Outlook Express already installed, sign up for an 
account with some ISP who has a script to configure OE for them and 
that's it. Try and get them to configure their client to access a read 
only IMAP folder somewhere and, well, forget it.

I used to archive a list using NNTP. The list is not for computer 
techies or net savvy people and as far as I could tell only two 
subscribers ever worked out how to access the archive. Now that it's web 
based it is very much more widely used. Sure, there are plenty of 
problems with a web based archive, but the ability of users to work out 
how to use it is not one of them. I certainly wouldn't recommend the web 
archive as a way to read the list - best way to do that is subscribe. 
But as a way to search for info on some obscure topic that was covered 
on the list two years before you knew you were interested in it it works 
fine.
-- 
Chris Hastie



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