At 09:17 AM 2002-10-25 -0700, JC Dill wrote:
>I just received the following bounce/error message from AOL:
>
> >from: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON@aol.com>
> >Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 10:23:25 EDT
> >To: <owner-listname@domain>
> >Subject: Mail Delivery Problem
> >
> >Your mail to the following recipients could not be delivered because they
> >are not accepting mail from xxxxxxx@yahoo.com:
> > userxxxxxx
>
>userxxxxxx@aol.com and xxxxxxx@yahoo.com are both subscribed to this
>list. AOL gives users the ability to block email from specified addresses
>(blacklist/blocklist).
>
>Is it correct for AOL to send an error message like this to the list-owner
>address when the sender is on the recipient's blocklist?
No. The sender is not xxxxxxx@yahoo.com, the sender is the list. The
bounce is sent to the list because that is the sender. The mail is not
from xxxxxxx@yahoo.com, the mail is from your list. AOL figured that out
for the purpose of sending the bounce to the right place. They should also
understand that for the purpose of filtering the mail.
At the very least, AOL's message is wrong, it should be something on the
order of "composed by" as opposed to "from". They have no other place to
send the bounce, it would never be correct for them to send it to Mr.
xxxxxxx who gets mail at yahoo.
>I can see this developing into a real problem if you get a bunch of people
>who decide to killfile someone they don't like and the list manager gets
>notices from each one, each time a post is blocked.
Does not bother me at all. Mj2 allows me to process messages as well as to
send a separate probe message before unsubscribing someone. I find that
the "user does not exist" sort of message from AOL is trustworthy, so I do
not send a probe message for that one, but for the typical "who knows"
message, I send a probe (automatically) when I get a couple of bounce
messages, and I only unsub someone when the probe bounces.
I guess that I have a philosophy about bounces that is more permissive than
some because of the ability of mj2 (and many other MLMs) to automatically
handle bounces, use verp to determine exactly which addresses are bouncing,
and so forth. Because of this, frankly, I almost never look at an actual
bounce. As a point, I would never have seen this situation, because it
would not have even been on my radar screen, unless someone complained
because xxxxxxx had sent enough posts through to trigger probes to those
users who had screened him, and they had then complained about the probes.
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Unsubscribing from a mailing list you subscribed to is a basic IQ
test for Internet users.
Nick Simicich - njs@scifi.squawk.com
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