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Subject: Re: AOL bounce message due to an AOL user's
From: Nick Simicich <njs @ scifi . squawk . com>
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2002 02:23:12 -0400
To: list-managers <list-managers @ greatcircle . com>
In-reply-to: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0210260005230.12520-100000@stjorn.ifi.uio.no>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021025143825.39fb3ea0@199.74.151.1>

At 12:07 AM 2002-10-26 +0200, Thomas Gramstad wrote:

>On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, Nick Simicich wrote:
> > At the very least, AOL's message is wrong, it should be something on
> > the order of "composed by" as opposed to "from".  They have no other
> > place to send the bounce, it would never be correct for them to send
> > it to Mr.  xxxxxxx who gets mail at yahoo.
>
>Then why send filter-bounces at all?  Why can't the filtering or
>user-initiated blocking happen quietly?

If it were a privately composed piece of mail that you sent to someone, you 
might well want to know whether or not it actually got through. It is right 
to return a bounce. The real issue is whether it is right to bounce mailing 
list mail.

I suggest that it is not 100% possible to determine that the mail was sent 
by a mailing list vs. a individual who has forwarded it to you using 
certain MUA's "bounce" protocols.

The more I consider this, the more I feel that it is not right for AOL to 
filter this mail at all based on the fact that the user instructed AOL to 
block mail from an individual, but then mail came from a mailing list was 
blocked instead.  I think that this is a bug and someone who cares and who 
has an AOL account should report this.

If you are bouncing based on the content of a header, that is one thing. 
But that is not what was suggested. If you are bouncing because the mail 
came from "X" then you have done the wrong thing.

--
"Forgive him, for he believes that the customs of his tribe are the laws of 
nature!"
  -- George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)
Nick Simicich - njs@scifi.squawk.com


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