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Subject: Re: Purging schedules
From: "David W. Tamkin" <dattier @ panix . com>
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 23:52:44 -0600
To: "List Managers" <List-Managers @ greatcircle . com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.43.0211211706580.10118-100000@saltmine.radix.net> <Pine.OSX.4.49.9999.0211211554000.20846-100000@betty.goldmark.private> <026001c291e3$41985060$21985742@ord351473> <Pine.OSX.4.49.9999.0211212146170.20846-100000@betty.goldmark.private> <00fb01c29257$3104bf80$21985742@ord351473> <3DDEDEEE.4020706@queernet.org> <009f01c292a3$afc2d0e0$21985742@ord351473> <3DDF0174.3090608@queernet.org>

| I have almost no faith that any subscription request specifying any
| address is actually from that address.  Therefore, AT THE TIME I RECEIVE
| THAT REQUEST, I do not believe anyone has "opted in" once.

At that time, the person behind the email address may or may not have opted
in.  We don't know yet.  But the situation at the time of receipt of the
initial request is not the point.

The point is the situation at the time of adding someone to the list.  By then
the person has completed the confirmation process.  Confirming proves that the
initial request was an act of opting in after all; also, it is itself an act
of opting in.

Someone whose subscription request is forged and who then refuses to confirm
has never opted in at all.  Someone who honestly sends a subscription request
under his/her own email address, but who then neglects to confirm or declines
to confirm has opted in only once.  Neither is enough to get subscribed.

Someone who does get onto the list has opted in twice: once by sending a
subscription request that later was confirmed, and a second time by confirming
it.  When I went to school, one plus one equaled two.  So I still hold that
"double opt-in" is a valid term and bears no trace of thinking like a spammer.
I've said my piece and am done with it.




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